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#1 Oct 21 2008 at 1:09 PM Rating: Default
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So I've been playing this game since the summer and I figured I'd write a quick review on it.

If you played the first game then there really are no surprises in the new game. Besides the new jobs and races, not much is added gameplay wise. It's actually disappointing that many abilities that each job has are just named something different but are given to other jobs (Ex. Moogle lance and air render).

Out of the new races the gria is the only one that is halfway useful (it ignores elevation because it can fly).

If you were hoping on an in depth story look elsewhere. It is completely lacking and off the wall. The side quests are what keep the game going but even these get incredibly repetitive (I've complete 248/300 quests). There are many side story lines that are enjoyable and one of which should have been the actual story line (duelhorn).

A major change deals with having 0 MP at the beginning of fights. Each turn your character receieves a certain amount of MP. This was incredibly deterring to me because of how much I enjoy mage classes. Later on there are abilities that make this a minor issue (halve mp / blood price) but it is still rather annoying.

The game is hardly difficult. There is a hard setting in the beginning but I doubt it would make much of a difference. It's often the laws that are the most frustrating and lately I have completely ignored them.

I bought my DS specifically for this game and mario kart. I'd say it was worth the purchase but more so for Mario kart than this game.

Over all I'd give the gameplay 6/10, the storyline 4/10 and the other quests 7/10. So I'd say around a 6ish out of 10 over all. If you can borrow it from a friend that would def be the best option.
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#2 Oct 21 2008 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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I highly disagree. It's a fantastic tactical rpg with more than a few good characters.

Also, Mages Ballad makes using hurdy worth his spot. Half MP and ballad used with an illusionist seer can give you about 150+ damage per enemy on the first turn.
#3 Oct 21 2008 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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Just as bad as FFTA 1 and as such, is nothing compared to FFT for the PS1.


They bastardized one of the best FF games when they made FFT: Advance and now they insist on continuing it. Tried it, hated it, threw it away faster than I threw away the first Tactics advance.
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#4 Oct 21 2008 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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They bastardized one of the best FF games when they made FFT: Advance and now they insist on continuing it. Tried it, hated it, threw it away faster than I threw away the first Tactics advance.


TA1 had possibly the legitimately darkest, most mature, and literarily applicable story of any SE property (except Twewy). There is no other final fantasy in which you are the main freakin' villain, and it's story is a reflection of how poor judgment and escapist yearnings lead to a fantastical, but ultimately unhealthy world. Marche, a young boy with absolutely no desire to return to his own world, forces himself to do so through realizing the unhealthiness of the situation and eventually enables everyone to deal with their problems in real life.

Mewt deals with his father, marche with his donned, donned with being crippled, etc.

Therefore

Your taste in stories sucks.
#5 Oct 21 2008 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
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FF Tactics Advance 1 was by far one of my favorite games of all time. Incredibly enjoyable storyline, gameplay, and just over all experience. It did go incredibly in depth and that was what I was hoping for in FFTA2.

The story in FFTA2 was so abrupt at times. For example, getting Hurdy as a main character has nothing to do with anything. He just wanted to travel with us. I wish there had been an extra 3-4 quests that either explained adelle's heritor abilties more or at least some sort of cut scene.

The duelhorn chain should definitely have been the main storyline. Adelle should also have been the main character instead of Luso. If it's all about her discovering her past then what part does Luso play in anything? He just wants to go on quests.

I read that the devs were rushed to produce the game and that's why it was so weak. Dunno why SE would push a product so quickly when they knew it wasn't near completion.

Pencieve do you have any recommendations for other DS games? My roommate has zelda phantom hourglass, world ends with you, and some others. I've thought about Final Fantasy 4 but don't feel like dropping 40 dollars on an RPG I don't have time to play.
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#6 Oct 21 2008 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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TA1 had possibly the legitimately darkest, most mature, and literarily applicable story of any SE property (except Twewy). There is no other final fantasy in which you are the main freakin' villain, and it's story is a reflection of how poor judgment and escapist yearnings lead to a fantastical, but ultimately unhealthy world. Marche, a young boy with absolutely no desire to return to his own world, forces himself to do so through realizing the unhealthiness of the situation and eventually enables everyone to deal with their problems in real life.

Mewt deals with his father, marche with his donned, donned with being crippled, etc.

Therefore

Your taste in stories sucks.


I'm not going to like a game with a good story if the gameplay is terrible. I didn't like playing it, creative story, but I just didn't like it.
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#7 Oct 21 2008 at 7:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I've thought about Final Fantasy 4 but don't feel like dropping 40 dollars on an RPG I don't have time to play.



FF4 is hardly worth $40...on any system. If you insist on playing the single worst FF game(irritating Gameplay, excessive loss of awesome characters, unneccesarily high xp required to go up levels early on with monsters giving you very little XP, etc.), just download it on an emulator for free, at least you can skip past the damn opening that way.

Play Final Fantasy 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, Legend, Legend 2(especially this one, technically from the Saga series, but marketed under the FF name and definitly earns the title), Mystic Quest & Adventure. Definitly worth your time unlike FF4.


Yes, go ahead and say that I have bad taste in games, I'm very particular. I'm actually boycotting the Final Fantasy series right now for the last 3 terrible games(12, 11, 10-2) that have come out.

My top 3 FF games:

1. Final Fantasy ****** you, it's fun)
2. Final Fantasy Tactics
3. Final Fantasy Legend 2
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#8 Oct 22 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I've thought about Final Fantasy 4 but don't feel like dropping 40 dollars on an RPG I don't have time to play.



FF4 is hardly worth $40...on any system. If you insist on playing the single worst FF game(irritating Gameplay, excessive loss of awesome characters, unneccesarily high xp required to go up levels early on with monsters giving you very little XP, etc.), just download it on an emulator for free, at least you can skip past the damn opening that way.


the FF4 remake is the single best remake theve ever done
#9 Oct 22 2008 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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What could they possibly have done to the newest re-re-rerelease of FF4 to make it actually a good game?
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#10 Oct 22 2008 at 8:38 PM Rating: Decent
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FF4 is hardly worth $40...on any system. If you insist on playing the single worst FF game


Jesus christ you are just really really bad at judging games.

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What could they possibly have done to the newest re-re-rerelease of FF4 to make it actually a good game?


Probably nothing that would placate you if you liked a ******* SAGA better than almost every other final fantasy. You talk about TA having bad gameplay and mention the atrocity that is FFL2?

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Pencieve do you have any recommendations for other DS games? My roommate has zelda phantom hourglass, world ends with you, and some others. I've thought about Final Fantasy 4 but don't feel like dropping 40 dollars on an RPG I don't have time to play.


It's impossible to recommend stuff directly for you without knowing your interests, but I like all of the following.

FF4
Twewy
FF12 Revenant Wings
Advance Wars DS
Advance Wars Days of Ruin
Castlevania Portrait of Ruin
Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow
Ninja Gaiden DS
Phoenix Wright (series)

and more if you'd like
#11 Oct 23 2008 at 6:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Probably nothing that would placate you if you liked a @#%^ing SAGA better than almost every other final fantasy. You talk about TA having bad gameplay and mention the atrocity that is FFL2?


Atrocity? Yes it's a SaGa game, but it's possibly the only non FF game to use the FInal Fantasy name and earn it. Yes, fien there's no Character Development, it's supposed to be that way. It has one of the best pre-PS1 RPG soundtracks, amazing gameplay, it gets more challenging as you go along. It's an overall fun game to play.

But fine, if you want me to omit FFL2, I'll gladly call 6, 7, and 8 my favourites. 1 was irritating, as was 2. 4 was absolutely terrible, 5 was the first one I liked. 6 was unbelievably good, 7 was pretty damng good, 8 was just great, 9 was pretty decent, 10 was good until the end, X-2 was terrible, 11 doesn't even deserve to be called Final Fantasy and neither does 12. Tactics was amazing. Now while some games that use the Final Fantasy name are not from the actual series, the fact that a couple of them earned it(FF Adventure(Secret Of Mana 1), FFL2(SaGa 2),) is good enough for me to include them as Final Fantasy games. Now if you're expecting me to call FFL1, FFL3 and FFMQ good games, I'm not.

But I ask again, what could possibly have been done to make FFIV be anything close to a good game?
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#12 Oct 23 2008 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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But I ask again, what could possibly have been done to make FFIV be anything close to a good game?

youd really have to play it, might work in an emulator, the start cinimatic was great, the little voiced cutscenes were nice, cecil still looks kinda gay, the new ability system is cool too, you get abilities you can give any person you want, simile to gogo from 6, only there 1 use items.

many different ways to get them too, such as, give 2 of those abilites to a character before you lose them, and youll get more of there abilities.

i also dont find it as insanely hard as the ps1 rerelease was, the bosses are actually different.

i dont remember having to do any grinding, as i usually lvled up while exploring the map, which if you get a map 100% gives you bonus items.
even if you didnt like 4, the remake is worth at the very least trying, as it had a lot of work put into it.
#13 Oct 23 2008 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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When you put it like that, I'll have to try the newest re-release. I can't guarantee I'll like it, but it seems as though they may have made it more playable. You got me on this one. I still stand by my hating the original as well as the other re-release though.
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#14 Oct 23 2008 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
You liked 8? Squall was the most whiny emo ***** that I've ever had the displeasure of controlling in a game.
#15 Oct 23 2008 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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You liked 8? Squall was the most whiny emo ***** that I've ever had the displeasure of controlling in a game.



Even so, it's still a fun game to play, yeah, disc 1 drags on, but once you get past the Timber Owls part it really picks up.

The side quests later on alone make it a fun game to play.
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#16 Oct 24 2008 at 5:57 AM Rating: Good
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Also, Mages Ballad makes using hurdy worth his spot. Half MP and ballad used with an illusionist seer can give you about 150+ damage per enemy on the first turn.


I have a Seer/Illusionist with half mp, and I usually use the conserve mp with the rules. Magic Frenzy stardust or something, most of the enemies are dead by the end of the first turn.
#17 Oct 25 2008 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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The Great Driftwood wrote:
FF4 is hardly worth $40...on any system. If you insist on playing the single worst FF game(irritating Gameplay, excessive loss of awesome characters, unneccesarily high xp required to go up levels early on with monsters giving you very little XP, etc.), just download it on an emulator for free, at least you can skip past the damn opening that way.

You only lose 1 (Tellah), the rest you can actually get back.
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...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
#18 Oct 26 2008 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
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You only lose 1 (Tellah), the rest you can actually get back.


Not in um.. most version of the game. Only one I recall you can get back any characters that are lost is advance.

Though in the DS version you get augments, which are fantastic.
#19 Oct 26 2008 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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Not in um.. most version of the game. Only one I recall you can get back any characters that are lost is advance.

I never knew that, thanks.
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Horst needs a 1 minute, 15 foot doom aura. Get in, get out, or @#%^ing die.
Calmus wrote:
...draining with sambas is kind of like you smack the thing and as you smack blood flies out... normally the blood would just you know fall and be red an what-not, but, with the samba your all whacked out and decide to drink the blood as it flys out. thus not adding MORE damage just taking more advantage of your damage. at least thats my take on it.
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