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Am I trying to convince you otherwise?

Still, if you live thinking about where you will end up in you won't have a life, you will simply be awaiting the moment of your death. Why not instead live to your fullest, focusing on doing as much good as possible without worrying about the end? After all, isn't that the whole point of it all? It's really not about the reward at the end, it's all about the way you travel through it all.

I lol'ed!

Not directly, but believing in an afterlife diminishes the value of your current life, whether you're aware of it or not. Maybe not a lot, that depends on the person, but it does become a part of your psyche. Most people who do believe in an afterlife think that would suck to not have one, probably why they'd buy into it, I don't know. Maybe people only worry about confronting their mortality towards the ends of their lives, which makes considering the lack of an afterlife harder to bite into after a lifetime of thinking otherwise.



No other good threads around, and I'm sitting in Balga's Dais waiting for people to show up to a LS KSNM run.



Edited, Sep 19th 2008 11:11pm by bsphil

There's far too many assumptions here...it's kinda driving me nuts between Mr SS just making stuff up and people reading things into my posts I didn't even remotely elude to.

Sorry, I'm not just waiting to die because I have a belief, sorry, I'm not saying christians don't believe in the bible (one of Mr. SS senselessly made up ramblings) sorry I think people overeacted to the OP for no reason, sorry I have a differing belief than you and defended it when it was attacked for no reason.

Bunch of sorries for you all. But thanks to the people who actually know how to approach a subject like this w/a bit of tact and don't attack from the onset. Once a thread actually starts to infuriate me, I'm done, lol. I hate when people reply and make assumptions w/out reading.

*edit* and sorry if I come off as harsh, I guess that's just my way, lol. I don't respond to "argue" or attack, just seems that way I guess when I go back and read through my own posts, lol.

Edited, Sep 20th 2008 12:18am by blastfurnace

For the sake of argument:

Let's take John Smith as our example person here and assume he has a completely neutral viewpoint on everything, that nothing is good or bad. Whether he adopts a dog from an animal shelter or kicks a homeless war vet on the face, it doesn't matter. If he donates $20,000 to a hurricate relief fund or singlehandedly murders a dozen innocent people, it doesn't matter. Whether he poisons a lake, killing all the animals in it or just sits down on the side of that lake and has a sandwich (Read: Pastrami on Rye people, I'm telling you... do it.), nothing matters.

Scenario 1: Now let's instill in this person the idea that when you die, nothing happens. That there is no final consequence or reward for any action you do other than the immediate or longterm reward or consequence you may receive while living.

What's the punishment for abusing the war vet or murdering people or polluting that lake? Assault charges, possible death penalty, and someone has to pay $120,000 (Kudos if you got the board game reference). In the end, he's dead and why should he care?

Scenario 2: Let's instead instill in this person "The fear of God", the idea that for his negative actions, he will go to somewhere bad called "Hell" or for his good actions he will go to somewhere good called "Heaven".

Even though one may disagree with the logic of "Doing good things for fear of the consequences of not doing good things" or "You should want to do good because of its own reward, not because you expect some type of end reward when you die", which I agree wholeheartedly with, isn't the end result the same? If you have an Atheist helping out in a soup kitchen because he wants to help the homeless and a Christian helping out in a soup kitchen because he wants to get into "Heaven", I don't see the harm here. Both of them are helping out in the same soup kitchen side by side. Regardless of their reasoning, both of them are helping to ensure homeless people don't starve today.

Why get so hung up over people's motives if the end result in either case is that they want to do good, whether it's to please some omipotent being or just for the hell of it?

When they actually accept to answer your question based on that assumption, they show their true colors and it can be deducted they only believe because it's the most convenient situation for them.

In this particular situation, if I'm homeless, I don't care whether that person giving me soup believes in Jesus, Allah, FSM, or nothing. Soup is soup and I'd take it.

I don't think that the ends justify the means in ALL situations but when it comes down to "doing the right thing", I personally don't believe a person's motives are relevant when the results are the same. (EDIT: And we both know there are people out there who only do good things for fear of the "afterlife consequenses" of not doing good things; who would have done that same good deed if not for them? While we may disagree with their logic, the "good deed" still got done and someone was made happy as a result, right?)

Also, in before people point out ghost sightings as evidince of an afterlife. That's kinda an unwinnable statement because even if someone else can't prove something does exist, it's very difficult if not impossible to prove to them that their thing does not exist.

Good luck on your KSNMs also, by the way.

EDIT 2: Typo

Edited, Sep 20th 2008 12:33am by Mikhalia

I value truth, so yes motive would make a big difference.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this issue, since I doubt either of us will change the other's mind and I don't feel like going at it with you for another 5 pages like last time :)

XD Nah, real name is Brandyn. One night I went to my friends house and his dad was a lil buzzed, when I walked in he went to yell "brandyn!" but got the r and a fudged from inibriation I assume, lol.

After that his whole family bursted out laughing since all he got out was "Barn!" before he realized he was lit, then everyone started calling me Barn. >.< lol

PRESIDENT KARST DOESN'T CARE ABOUT GALKAS!

This is true, but Raogrimm was the correct answer. :p

I guess that entirely depends upon your willingness to accept evidence.