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You cannot see what happened eons ago, witnessing exactly how a one-celled organism eventually evolves into a man.

And not to go beyond the scope of a single thread in a video-game forum, while there is evidence to support variety within a certain category of animals, there is no evidence to support that one kingdom of organisms can produce another.



Do you have a pet cat? Congratulations, you have witnessed creation.



And you personally have studied and verified that each and every religion on the face of the earth has it wrong?

Nothing can help you my friend if the wolf becoming a poodle took an eon.



This is also false. You should do some research to discover what it is that evolution discusses. All of this stuff is covered explained and observed. Sadly if you are christian, however you might want to look passed the idea that the world is only 6 thousand years old or so.



Yep
Well there might be a few I have yet to learn about.
Quite a few of them are rather new as well and involve space ships, aliens, and becoming immortal! its fun stuff. One of them has a giant floating spagheti monster.

I suppose your argument then would be to interject that "But all of those religions are stupid, but Christianity is just peachy what with all of its fundamental problems that we have grown to see passed like how the bible was re-translated dozens of times and changed too.."

Also what the hell are you questioning me?
Your the one who thinks that evolution is baseless.
GO DO SOME RESEARCH OH MY "GOD"!

You think cats simply blinked into existence and you question ME?

edit: Also I would like to mention. ALL the while we sit here talking about this... The bottom line is that nobody knows if god exists. What I can tell you is that nothing we say brings us closer to finding a god or proving anything. It is essentially a waste of time because because right now as it stands my opinion is just as valid as the popes.

Something is wrong with this if I can tell the pope what I believe lol..
/holds head in shame... Humans are so much like animals yet still...

Edited, Sep 20th 2008 1:15pm by thorazinekizzez

Exactly my point



Oh, I've done my research. But like I said, I don't want to go into a lengthy discussion on the specifics of why I disagree with this.

Oh, btw. I'm a christian who actually reads his bible, so no, I do not believe the universe was created some 6,000 years ago.



You must've missed something in that process of study then. Like perhaps, biblical prophecy?



Um, no not really. But if you want to put words into my mouth, I certainly can't stop you.



I've done my research. Have you?



lol, the irony behind this statement is staggering.

Dinosaurs.

Can we continue with our game now?

This is a gaming forum after all, and people come here for their fun. It's enough that we want to escape the anoyances in life by playing games every now and then. Why do you have to lecture us on stuff we are trying not to deal with even in our fantasy worlds?

There is no room to talk about RL religion in a game where you can summon your very own mini-Lucifer and make it attack a goblin.

The whole idea is a giant contradiction.

The cat DID blink into existence, whether by means of a god who created it, or by random chance from organic materials that can be traced down to a cosmic explosion from which they were blinked into existence. That's why I thought your comment was ironic.

And the rest of your post is ridiculous. I don't even know what you're trying to say. Each religion should be put to the test against itself; I don't see how the existence of religious conflict proves anything.

Ironically, the muslims, jews, and christians all worship the same god. They just can't stop killing each other over which group he likes more.

And what is up with that too?

And then people question why you would see so many atheists.
"You mean I don't have to kill people AND I can only follow observable evidence?"

Ah I am done with this debate. I think I said my piece.

Needed to get that off my chest though... been awhile since I did this.




Are you using this as a means to show how Christianity has a chance to be true?
So whats your point your religion has nothing to do with this.

Edited, Sep 20th 2008 1:57pm by thorazinekizzez

alla censors pedo? wtf? lol

Edited, Sep 20th 2008 2:14pm by Kerberoz

very last post

The problem is that too many people use too many forms of smokescreens when discussing X religion.

If one person mentions Christianity then he is hit with something stupid like "There is no god"..

No no no

Ok look people anyone with half a brain read what I am saying. This is how you deal with religious people.

Except that nobody knows if there is or isn't a god. This is just going to be something you have to deal with.

Nobody knows if there is a god however there is plenty of religious people who hide behind this. They almost ALWAYS never mention WHAT religion they are a part of. That is because that is their weakness. Its not important to bring up what religion you are trying to say is true. They bring up a huge smoke screen argument that evolution is false and that there is so much evidence that there is a god ect ect.

As long as they can keep things vague, even though they are not afraid to mention specifics about Atheism or science to bolster their arguments. Using this tactic the argument can continue on forever because they never have to actually do anything but disagree with you and speak blindly.

You HAVE to force them out of this argumentative smokescreen. If you are arguing that your religion is not false then you have to say what religion you are speaking for. ( This causes them to have to stop using the tired old smokescreen. )

"Yeah we all know that there is reason why we are here but what does that have to do with you or your religion?"

And there you go..
Not one religious person here is going to be able to come up with an answer for that. Some might try..

Even if evolution, since it is used as an argumentative smokescreen of sorts, IS false the entire point of the argument as a whole, AT ITS VERY CORE, is silly because it is being used as leverage to explain how moses parted the sea or that means a god would obviously be too stupid to do a combination of evolution and creationism because gods are simple minded people with very little standing to get anything done.

Otherwise they wouldn't be talking at all.

These debates go on and on for a long time.
The trick is to avoid the smokescreens. Remember at the heart of every religious debate is a bunch of varying and specific religions with agenda's just like any other organization.

If people were forced to say
"Christianity is true and Mormans are wrong because..."
"Mormans are right and Athiests are wrong because..."

While normally all that happens is they say that all you have to do is prove that there is evidence to support the idea A god exists so automatically that means their own religion has something to base itself on. It the basic principle of why they say what they say at all.

Using smokescreens to make an argument go on and on forever is pretty much evil in my mind. Force people to stop hiding behind them and these debates end rather fast.

Edited, Sep 20th 2008 2:39pm by thorazinekizzez

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Edited, Sep 20th 2008 2:51pm by thorazinekizzez

They do say that, actually. It's called apologetics, which is a subset of religious behavior about defending ones faith. A religious person could easily make statements against both, like mormons are wrong and christianity is right because geological evidence contradicts the former's claim of a pre-americas civilization as told in the book or mormon, but tends to bolster or at least not overturn the claims of christianity.

Mormons could say atheists are wrong because experience tends to show that all events are part of a causal chain that doesn't stretch back into infinity, and these chains tend to have a root, unique cause. They could say that the universe more or less spontaneously coming into existence ex nihlio is as about as improbable as a God existing. I'm not sure what specific arguments mormons would use, but most religions have some form of apologetic arm to deal with this.

Its probably more that most believers aren't trained either in formal argument or apologetics, which is why you are bothered with smokescreens. To be fair just about any complex topic has to deal with that, because most lay people are often overwhelmed by the complexity of expert thought. It's a lot of effort to make a coherent model of any of our beliefs and defend it against unexpected questions.

To kerb: trying to counter that line of moral relativism is going to be the challenge of the future, now since we don't have religion or natural law. The gut reaction is that it's absurd, but good luck with the theory behind it.

Then what were you saying.
Keep it simple and free of smokescreen

thanks in advance.

Oh crap I just realized that this was another smokescreen attempt. Yeah he never said exactly what I said above. I never necessarily said it was HIM who said that anyway.

I was using an example but he extrapolated off some random thing on my post to make me respond to him. Like he Zinged me.

Bullsh*t..
You have nothing to say admit it or "Stop responding"

Edited, Sep 20th 2008 3:59pm by thorazinekizzez