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#27 Dec 18 2011 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Criminy wrote:
Like I said Smiley: deadhorse

Very true but unfortunatly if you look at the topics currently being discussed on these forums it's this or condiments (and this one is at least a WoW related topic)

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Listen here buddy,
This is a game, its meant for fun. The fact that you listed a myriad of classes, roles, and websites leads me to believe that you're a step above the casual player and shouldn't be running with random people who may not take this game as seriously as you. Furthermore, I'm willing to be that you're not an expert on every class or role and on every encounter. If for some reason you are a WoW guru, then please play with the rest of the elitists because no one wants to log in and be ridiculed by strangers.

Yes, I understand that perhaps someones DPS or iLevel, or any other variable, may not be to your liking. For some people the new content is still new, and encounters may be new, and with that being the case, fight mechanics and movement may affect a players rotation. Players, may also still not be fully decked out in new 378 or valor gear. Now, have you taken the time to explain, in a polite way, a fight to someone who maybe hasn't done it? Or do you quickly boot them and tell them to go color books?

Furthermore, your post asks if players are gemmed correctly, then it goes on to list gems players should have based on class/role, and finishes with you admitting that it's not the perfect get set up. So basically, if I'm not gemmed correctly according to you, I should follow your guide on what gems to get and then... I still wont be gemmed accordingly. I don't want to burst your bubble, but gems and rotation vary for most players based on their playing style.

And lastly, a small part of me really hopes that I group up with you. I'm fairly confident that my gem, rotation, and dps will easily meet your expectations - but, and here's the but, with my super high 'pro' DPS I will attack anything and everything I see, I may or may not pull aggro from tank, I wont move out of the fire so as I don't mess up my rotation and then I'll blame the healer for not having the right gems or the appropriate amount of mana to keep me up or blame the tank for not holding aggro. I will also constantly post DPS meters to prove how good I am and show that I'm the best around, and nothings ever going to keep me down.


Merry Christmas



I'm interested to find out how you justify being the bigger jerk is any sort of solution. To me it seems like you are openly admitting you would rather be part of the problem than the solution. You say you know your class, spec, gear, and so on, but would intentionally create problems for the group just because you feel it's somehow justified. Like I said in my previous post, I have tolerance for someone who is new and willing to learn, but I have no respect for someone who knows better, but still acts like a d-bag just for the sake of not caring.

#28 Dec 18 2011 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Yep. Which is why I am going to show that every time these kinds of threads pop up. Mainly for the +1s. Smiley: tongue
#29 Dec 18 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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CaptinXeith wrote:
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Criminy wrote:
Like I said Smiley: deadhorse

Very true but unfortunatly if you look at the topics currently being discussed on these forums it's this or condiments (and this one is at least a WoW related topic)


At least with the condiment thread we are discussing something new and quasi interesting. Smiley: grin

For the rest of the post Smiley: deadhorse.
#30 Dec 18 2011 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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Smiley: deadhorse is so Smiley: deadhorse
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#31 Dec 18 2011 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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But Smiley: deadhorse is the only thing I have left against the War on Smiley: deadhorse. Why must you hate Smiley: deadhorse Mazra?
#32 Dec 18 2011 at 11:40 AM Rating: Good
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I've been playing to much Skyrim. I see all the dead horses and think of all the leather going to waste...
#33 Dec 18 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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I'm thinking this.

Rerailed.

Edited, Dec 18th 2011 6:43pm by Mazra
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#34 Dec 18 2011 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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CaptinXeith wrote:
I'm interested to find out how you justify being the bigger jerk is any sort of solution. To me it seems like you are openly admitting you would rather be part of the problem than the solution. You say you know your class, spec, gear, and so on, but would intentionally create problems for the group just because you feel it's somehow justified. Like I said in my previous post, I have tolerance for someone who is new and willing to learn, but I have no respect for someone who knows better, but still acts like a d-bag just for the sake of not caring.


I thought if rotation, gem, and gear is good, and dps is high there wouldn't be a problem?

Actually, I was just being a jerk, I'll admit it. I just wanted to show that the OP's wall o' text left me shaking my head. Especially the last bit about coloring books and intelligence. I wouldn't stand in bad stuff to cause a problem, I'm not spending money on a monthly subscription to waste people's time, including my own. Again, I was just trying to prove a point.
#35 Dec 18 2011 at 1:22 PM Rating: Good
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Smiley: laugh I must have pissed in someones cheerios. Guess they are a massive horse fan. -shrug-
#36 Dec 18 2011 at 3:59 PM Rating: Default
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Here's an idea. If you don't like the thread topic, how about you not read it? Or post in it? Linking a stupid graphic doesn't automatically declare the discussion void and over.
#37 Dec 18 2011 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
But then we would miss out on opportunities for +1. Smiley: sly
#38 Dec 18 2011 at 5:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
But then we would miss out on opportunities for +1. Smiley: sly


What is this +1 you speak of?
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#39 Dec 18 2011 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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Horsemouth wrote:
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
But then we would miss out on opportunities for +1. Smiley: sly


What is this +1 you speak of?
+1ing is an art.
#40 Dec 18 2011 at 7:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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ACLinjury wrote:
Listen here buddy,
This is a game, its meant for fun. The fact that you listed a myriad of classes, roles, and websites leads me to believe that you're a step above the casual player and shouldn't be running with random people who may not take this game as seriously as you. Furthermore, I'm willing to be that you're not an expert on every class or role and on every encounter. If for some reason you are a WoW guru, then please play with the rest of the elitists because no one wants to log in and be ridiculed by strangers.


The problem is, the OP gives experts a bad name. His gemming advice is horrible, his hit caps are totally wrong, he doesn't even mention reforging. There's also the obvious issue that people can't just queue for the old heroics; once their total iLevel hits 353, they can end up in the new heroics whether they want it or not.

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Furthermore, your post asks if players are gemmed correctly, then it goes on to list gems players should have based on class/role, and finishes with you admitting that it's not the perfect get set up. So basically, if I'm not gemmed correctly according to you, I should follow your guide on what gems to get and then... I still wont be gemmed accordingly. I don't want to burst your bubble, but gems and rotation vary for most players based on their playing style.


The math behind all the theory crafting would disagree with you there. Some abilities just hit harder than others, and in most cases, those abilities are buffed more by one secondary stat than another.
#41 Dec 18 2011 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
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Horsemouth wrote:
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
But then we would miss out on opportunities for +1. Smiley: sly


What is this +1 you speak of?
+1ing is an art.


Yup.
#42 Dec 18 2011 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good
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ekaterinodar wrote:
Here's an idea. If you don't like the thread topic, how about you not read it? Or post in it? Linking a stupid graphic doesn't automatically declare the discussion void and over.


Hey now no need to get your panties in a twist. I was just adding my two cents. That "stupid graphic" sums up my opinion on the subject without requiring me to go on a long winded response. I quite enjoy the simplicity in it. Also why wouldn't I bother reading a topic I didn't like? I don't know about you but reading things I don't like allows for a better growth of my character. Developing more complex opinions on subjects, reinforcing current beliefs, or even changing them all together. All of that comes from reading and listening to things that we may not like.

Besides at the end of the day it all comes down to +1's. So have a beer and take a chill pill. Smiley: boozing
#43 Dec 19 2011 at 2:36 AM Rating: Good
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Ps. Cobra, you can buy ilvl 346 hats from Legacy Justice Quartermasters. They're pricey (in Justice Points), but they'll last you until you can get your drops. Like I said, though, one or two PvP items aren't a problem.


Many thanks for that Mazra.

Quite why they need so many different vendors is confusing but hey Smiley: smile

It would be much nicer if they let us make something worthwhile with these skills we slavishly max out every expansion.

As far as the OP is concerned I sympathise to some extent with the sentiment but not with the delivery.

I hate messy,disorganised,wiping groups as much as the next person but as somebody already said the OP is giving elitists a bad name. He is also convincing me that I'm not ready to expose myself to this kind of attitude.

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#44 Dec 19 2011 at 3:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ps. Cobra, you can buy ilvl 346 hats from Legacy Justice Quartermasters. They're pricey (in Justice Points), but they'll last you until you can get your drops. Like I said, though, one or two PvP items aren't a problem.


Many thanks for that Mazra.

Quite why they need so many different vendors is confusing but hey Smiley: smile

It would be much nicer if they let us make something worthwhile with these skills we slavishly max out every expansion.

As far as the OP is concerned I sympathise to some extent with the sentiment but not with the delivery.

I hate messy,disorganised,wiping groups as much as the next person but as somebody already said the OP is giving elitists a bad name. He is also convincing me that I'm not ready to expose myself to this kind of attitude.


To some extent, they needed another vendor. There were already 13 pages of items on the JP vendor, from the items there at release and the original VP items that were converted to JP when Firelands came out. Honestly, unless you're a plate tank, I would use a mix of PvP, JP, and BoE gear to meet the iLevel requirement for HoT heroics, reforge for hit/expertise, and power through a few runs with slightly lower DPS until my gear got better. The difference between sub-10k DPS and over 10k DPS is almost always a rotation issue when your primary stats are that high.
#45 Dec 19 2011 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Aye. My Hunter was doing 15k+ DPS on bosses before even being geared for regular heroics, yet, I'm seeing Hunters in HoT who can't push 10k DPS to save their (or our) lives.

If you can't push 10k in a HoT heroic then you're doing something wrong. Even in full PvP gear you should be able to push that much with the LFD bonus and all.

I don't mind/care about DPS in PvP gear. So they're doing half their potential damage, big deal. It just means the healer will have to spend some more mana. It's when both DPS and the tank or healer is wearing PvP gear I begin to worry.

Lower DPS means longer fights, which means more mana spent. Less mitigation on the tank means more mana spent. Coupled with a healer with less mana regen than a PvE healer, it has a tendency to turn ugly really fast.
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#46 Dec 19 2011 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
Or when the healer is wearing dps gear...

Was in H. Deadmines where we were wondering why the tank was dying, along with the entire group. After the second wipe (on trash none the less, before the first boss), I inspected our druid healer to see them have a majority of feral gear on... with some strength jewelry, and ONE piece of healer gear. Seriously? I mean, I can understand, MAYBE 1 or 2 pieces of dps gear on a healer trying to gear up, but having it the other way around is just a *********
#47 Dec 19 2011 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Back in the days, I ran a heroic Throne of the Tides on my Paladin and couldn't understand why I was taking more damage than usual. I had to use Word of Glory a lot more than I normally had to (this was before the CD nerf, by the way). I inspected the healer, a Druid, and noticed he was both in his Feral spec and wearing full Feral gear.

Once I saw this, I stopped pulling and asked him about it. Apparently, he hadn't noticed, because he laughed, apologized and switched to his Resto spec and gear. He said that he was wondering why he was running out of mana so fast. He just thought I was bad, but didn't want to mention it because he was afraid I'd kick him. Smiley: lol

I'll not deny that we might both have been a bit intoxicated that run.
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#48 Dec 19 2011 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
lol Yeah, this guy knew... He was in resto spec... he was just horribad.
#49 Dec 19 2011 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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AstarintheDruid wrote:
The problem is, the OP gives experts a bad name. His gemming advice is horrible, his hit caps are totally wrong, he doesn't even mention reforging. There's also the obvious issue that people can't just queue for the old heroics; once their total iLevel hits 353, they can end up in the new heroics whether they want it or not.


WRONG WRONG WRONG. Just change the instance selection in LFG tool. I can queue for random normals at iLevel 379.
#50 Dec 19 2011 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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Then it's not random, though, and you don't get the JP bonus.
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#51 Dec 19 2011 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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AstarintheDruid wrote:
The problem is, the OP gives experts a bad name. His gemming advice is horrible, his hit caps are totally wrong, he doesn't even mention reforging. There's also the obvious issue that people can't just queue for the old heroics; once their total iLevel hits 353, they can end up in the new heroics whether they want it or not.


WRONG WRONG WRONG. Just change the instance selection in LFG tool. I can queue for random normals at iLevel 379.


Your choices:
Random Dungeon -- puts you in one of the nonheroics.
Random Heroic -- puts you in any heroic dungeon you meet the ilevel for.
Random DS Heroic -- puts you in one of the 3 new heroics.
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