Need a quick confirmation because I'm gonna rant at an idiot and I really like to be correct when I rant. The bosses in the troll heroics are level 87 right? Meaning that you'd only need 6%(assuming the chart on Wowpedia is correct) to be capped with spells? Wowhead says they are, but I wanna be doubly sure.
The guy is incorrect either way, but how I phrase my rant depends on this.
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My Druid has 6% hit (0% miss on level 67 mobs) and I've never, ever seen a miss. Ever. At all.
So while it's not completely conclusive, I'll put my money on the quantitative research and say 'yes'.
So while it's not completely conclusive, I'll put my money on the quantitative research and say 'yes'.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Everything I have ever read has said that all heroics require 6% hit. It was that way in Wrath, it's been that way in Cata. So, unless the majority of people on the o-boards are wrong, I'd say you're correct.
That's what I was thinking. But I haven't run those yet, so I wanted to make sure. Also, for lulz, I'm gonna post a copy of the rant here. Might help alleviate boredom.
Alrighty, here's the rant in full.
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Hey there, Douche-nozzle. Can I call ya 'Dee' for short? I'm gonna anyway. I don't care whether you want me to or not. I kinda like the ring of 'Dee'.
Anyway, Dee, I've remained more or less silent for long enough, and it's time someone set you straight on a few things. First of all, your treatment of your guild members leaves a lot to be desired. When you notice a deficiency in the DPS of one of your members, a proper guild officer does one of two things. Either you stop bringing that member along on your runs, or you help them find resources to improve their game. You don't ***** at them about hit cap when there's no way that hit cap could account for the issues.
Without even being in the runs with you, I was able to diagnose the true issue simply via discussion with my friend here as to what she was doing(in case you were curious, it was her rotation). Had you taken the time and not been a tool, you could have helped her grow into an asset for your groups. Instead, all you've done is make her hate running with you.
And while we're on the subject: Dee, she had something like 11% spell hit, yet you and your gang of miscreants seemed to think she needed more for troll heroics? I simply must shake my head at this. You do realize that the 17% hit needed is for raids, right? Heroics, even the troll heroics, only need 6%. So by pushing her to get more when she was already past that 6%, you were effectively lowering her DPS for those instances?
Now, addressing the issue of her mage. I am aware that she has a lot of spirit on her gear. What can I tell you, other than that's what's been dropping, and almost every piece was a fairly significant upgrade at the time. Sure, she could probably find some rather nice and even better quest rewards, but to be honest, I'd rather she spend that time fishing and mining to prepare herself to purchase nice BoEs when she hits 85.
More than that, I'd like to mention that I've been playing a mage since vanilla. In fact, at one point, I would have been considered an expert by many. She asks me about every piece of gear that's a potential upgrade. Her gear right now is fine. And the fact that you're fixated on the hit yet again makes me think you sound like a clam stacker upset that a girl who paid attention to him at one point is playing with other folks now.
And while we're at it, the fact that you're checking out her gear and giving her crap about it for a character that isn't even in your guild? That's kinda creepy. You're creepy. Also a creep.
Cut that **** out.
Hugs and kisses,
-A guy tired of hearing about the moronic things you keep saying
Anyway, Dee, I've remained more or less silent for long enough, and it's time someone set you straight on a few things. First of all, your treatment of your guild members leaves a lot to be desired. When you notice a deficiency in the DPS of one of your members, a proper guild officer does one of two things. Either you stop bringing that member along on your runs, or you help them find resources to improve their game. You don't ***** at them about hit cap when there's no way that hit cap could account for the issues.
Without even being in the runs with you, I was able to diagnose the true issue simply via discussion with my friend here as to what she was doing(in case you were curious, it was her rotation). Had you taken the time and not been a tool, you could have helped her grow into an asset for your groups. Instead, all you've done is make her hate running with you.
And while we're on the subject: Dee, she had something like 11% spell hit, yet you and your gang of miscreants seemed to think she needed more for troll heroics? I simply must shake my head at this. You do realize that the 17% hit needed is for raids, right? Heroics, even the troll heroics, only need 6%. So by pushing her to get more when she was already past that 6%, you were effectively lowering her DPS for those instances?
Now, addressing the issue of her mage. I am aware that she has a lot of spirit on her gear. What can I tell you, other than that's what's been dropping, and almost every piece was a fairly significant upgrade at the time. Sure, she could probably find some rather nice and even better quest rewards, but to be honest, I'd rather she spend that time fishing and mining to prepare herself to purchase nice BoEs when she hits 85.
More than that, I'd like to mention that I've been playing a mage since vanilla. In fact, at one point, I would have been considered an expert by many. She asks me about every piece of gear that's a potential upgrade. Her gear right now is fine. And the fact that you're fixated on the hit yet again makes me think you sound like a clam stacker upset that a girl who paid attention to him at one point is playing with other folks now.
And while we're at it, the fact that you're checking out her gear and giving her crap about it for a character that isn't even in your guild? That's kinda creepy. You're creepy. Also a creep.
Cut that **** out.
Hugs and kisses,
-A guy tired of hearing about the moronic things you keep saying
I approve. 
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Mazra wrote:
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As kind of a bit of back story, she's an RL friend of mine(known her since before WoW launched) and she's truly not a great player. That said, with some tutoring, she's becoming a better player. But to play with my roommate and myself, she made an alliance character, and now her old horde guild is pretty hostile to her. Though I'm not entirely certain they were ever not ***** to her.
Yeah, that's always an awkward place to be really. I've had three people I know IRL transfer toons of theirs (or make new ones) on my server and only one of them is a good player. He's now in my guild and I raid with him on Friday nights. The other two, one is a boyfriend and the other was a friend I slept with a couple times that didn't end up going anywhere. My boyfriend just suffers from extreme tunnel vision, and also had a bad habit of picking bad classes at the start of Cata. he started off with a ret pally, then got tired of the crap dps and dying from being a melee toon all the time. Then he tried a shaman, both healing and ele and couldn't really grasp either of those. Unfortunately for him, those are two classes I know absolutely nothing about, so I wasn't sure how to help him. And I felt guilty for being embarrassed when he'd tag along on heroic runs, or pug raid runs. Thankfully, he's lost interest in WoW and is planning on taking up the Star Wars MMO when it comes out. Hopefully he'll be better at that game. >.> it was nice having an activity we could do together while living an hour and a half apart though.
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Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
Hai Poldy.
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Drinking at home. But I could probably stand to get laid.
I like how she ended it with hugs and kisses, was a nice touch.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Mazra wrote:
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Edit: And by later, I mean if she ever passes it on to me.
Edited, Nov 8th 2011 8:08am by Poldaran
Nice rant. 
Although from what you wrote she would need a tad more than 6%, 11% would be more than enough. I'm just going from the fact you said "when she hits 85" so presumably is 84 at the moment. The hit % is based on level differential iirc.
It does sound like he's a total **** though.
Although from what you wrote she would need a tad more than 6%, 11% would be more than enough. I'm just going from the fact you said "when she hits 85" so presumably is 84 at the moment. The hit % is based on level differential iirc.
It does sound like he's a total **** though.
Wherever I go - there I am.
Well, she can't join heroics at level 84, so it's reasonable to assume that they were talking about level 85 values.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
I'm a little confused, Noxxic.com says you need a 17% hit cap on your mage for PvE. Is this only for raid bosses?
17% is for raids, yeah.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
I'm a little confused, Noxxic.com says you need a 17% hit cap on your mage for PvE. Is this only for raid bosses?
Mazra wrote:
17% is for raids, yeah.
In raids, 17% is the hit cap for spells, 8% is the hit cap for melee specials and auto-attacks if you don't dual-wield, and I want to say the hit cap for dual-wield auto-attacks is 27%.
In case anyone else was curious.
As has been said, 17% is for raids, 6% is for heroics. That's for casters. Do melee peoples have a lower hit cap for heroic bosses too? Or do you guys just not worry about it since 8% is pretty low as well?
That's for casters. Do melee peoples have a lower hit cap for heroic bosses too? Or do you guys just not worry about it since 8% is pretty low as well?To ease some of the confusion on the hit cap issue, two characters are focused here. One is her 85 warlock, which is who had the 11% or something hit and was being told she needed more for troll heroics. The other is her mage, who is around 75 right now, though that didn't stop this *** from saying something about the fact that she only has 4% hit on that character. I'm assuming since he has the context, he'll understand what I meant.
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
As has been said, 17% is for raids, 6% is for heroics. That's for casters. Do melee peoples have a lower hit cap for heroic bosses too? Or do you guys just not worry about it since 8% is pretty low as well?
That's for casters. Do melee peoples have a lower hit cap for heroic bosses too? Or do you guys just not worry about it since 8% is pretty low as well?It's 6% for melee in heroics, 8% for raids.
I don't know why it jumps from 6% to 17% for casters (Hunters only need 8% for raids), but it's probably for balancing purposes.
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1. The guy in question is a prick. Even if he was right, he'd still be a prick. The fact that he wasn't just makes him a clueless prick. So good on you Pold.
2. This thread brought up a point I was completely unaware of regarding the hit % so I took a look at my warlock's gemming. I haven't used him much during Cata, partly because I was disappointed in his dps compared to my other toons. I regemmed him to all INT instead of hit and gained something like 250 spell damage while hit only changed maybe .5% Probably never going to get around to raiding on him anyway.
I had no idea the hit differential was so big. I really hope they do something in the future to smooth that out a bit so casters don't have to waste a ton of stats or have completely separate gear sets for heroics and raids. It seems warlocks and mages get hit the worst with this since other casters can steal heal gear and convert the spirit.
2. This thread brought up a point I was completely unaware of regarding the hit % so I took a look at my warlock's gemming. I haven't used him much during Cata, partly because I was disappointed in his dps compared to my other toons. I regemmed him to all INT instead of hit and gained something like 250 spell damage while hit only changed maybe .5% Probably never going to get around to raiding on him anyway.
I had no idea the hit differential was so big. I really hope they do something in the future to smooth that out a bit so casters don't have to waste a ton of stats or have completely separate gear sets for heroics and raids. It seems warlocks and mages get hit the worst with this since other casters can steal heal gear and convert the spirit.
I object to you insinuating that I steal gear from healers. 
Mages and warlocks steal gear from healers, hybrids do not since we benefit from spirit as well, thank you very much!
Mages and warlocks steal gear from healers, hybrids do not since we benefit from spirit as well, thank you very much!Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
I object to you insinuating that I steal gear from healers. Mages and warlocks steal gear from healers, hybrids do not since we benefit from spirit as well, thank you very much!
Mages and warlocks steal gear from healers, hybrids do not since we benefit from spirit as well, thank you very much!Poor choice of words perhaps. My shammy would have to actively eliminate spirit to get down to hitcap so as not to waste stats. I haven't geared a priest or druid enough but assume they we be similar. Much like melee or hunters, it seems the hybrid spirit > hit classes make the hitcap easily without even trying whereas the warlocks and mages have a much rougher time hitting.
Was just an observation I hadn't really noticed before. I have hybrids too; I know you're not stealing gear =p
Dps & heal gear is just the same stuff and spirit is waaaaay easier to stack than hit.
Pantherfern wrote:
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
I object to you insinuating that I steal gear from healers. Mages and warlocks steal gear from healers, hybrids do not since we benefit from spirit as well, thank you very much!
Mages and warlocks steal gear from healers, hybrids do not since we benefit from spirit as well, thank you very much!Poor choice of words perhaps. My shammy would have to actively eliminate spirit to get down to hitcap so as not to waste stats. I haven't geared a priest or druid enough but assume they we be similar. Much like melee or hunters, it seems the hybrid spirit > hit classes make the hitcap easily without even trying whereas the warlocks and mages have a much rougher time hitting.
Was just an observation I hadn't really noticed before. I have hybrids too; I know you're not stealing gear =p
Dps & heal gear is just the same stuff and spirit is waaaaay easier to stack than hit.
You've obviously never tried to find Spirit cloth in Firelands.
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