5 man dungeon dpsFollow

My hunter just dinged 85 on Oct 17th.

Fockler.


At ding, without epics and in full green/quested/wotlk gear I was able to pull 9-10k dps in 85 regulars. On Oct 18th thanks to easy gearing through JP and HP I was able to do heroics. With no enchants and no gemming or reforging I was able to pull 10k consistently on boss or trash in a heroic 5 man setting. With reforging to get to hit cap and gemming I am able to do 11k-11.5k dps.

So when I see a toon in a mix of blues, and troll/T11 gear struggle to break 11k it boggles my mind. 10-11k dps is entry level, bottom end pve dps.

Edited, Oct 19th 2011 7:51pm by bodhisattva

I actually am good at the game.

I've raided top 100 world, and consistently been in the top 0.5% of PvE progression content for 5+ years, not counting the last half year I took off.



Edited, Oct 19th 2011 8:24pm by bodhisattva

I did 20K dps in greens at 70

A little bit of all of the above.


Gear obviously isn't the factor, which is mainly the point of the post.


Random button mashing probably contributes to the worst of it. Not knowing what to hit, when to hit it. Excess movement cutting down on dps time, hesitation due to unfamiliarity with the encounters. Spec is a factor, I only pulled 8k as a BM hunter, 11k as a MM hunter.

tl;rd: You facerollers we complain about in the forums have no excuse.

It's Bhodi, no respect needed.

Bhodi is pro. He can do a lot more DPS with less gear, beat a man into a pulp with a stare and satisfy a woman by looking at her.

Hell, I came just by me posting about Bhodi.

Hunter is pretty easy to play, so I'm not sure that's the best yard stick for expected dps in 5 mans. I usually look for 8k in heroics, 10k in trolls, based on minimum values I've seen in decent groups.

But I agree that there are plenty of players out there who don't make the most of their class/gear, but not everyone can be bothered to learn how to play and some people seem quite happy being carried through everything they do.

I was recently grouped with a mage who was doing ~6k in ZA, he had Matoclaw's Band equipped. Not sat in his bag to boost his ilvl, now maybe he thought the hit and crit would make up for the lack of int, but I think you'd have to have a really low level ring for that to be the case. Bubblier Brightbrew Charm seems to be another item people like equipping that has no benefit for their class at all (I feel bad even using it on my tank).

For low dps (but still at acceptable levels) reasons could be that the class/spec is not suited to that particular fight (arcane mages are not going to shine on an aoe heavy encounter), the group set up favours a particular type of dps (caster heavy groups will generally provide more caster buffs and vice versa) maybe a small boost, but still a boost or just plain bad luck in terms of being picked on by boss abilities.

What I expect from myself in terms of performance is not what I expect from other players, I don't expect other people to put as much effort into the game as I do, but I still think there's an acceptable level of performance and if you are below that you should go back to something easier until you've learned how to play or geared up enough to compensate your lack of ability.

I think it really varies from class (spec) to class and from person to person.

My paly DPS is around 12k in 3/5 tier pieces (Granted - No FL gear) with a mix of Troll gear to fill in the remaining slots. He's got the right gems and the the proper enchants. It's just not a great DPS spec.

My mage on the other hand just stands there and spams AB and does 19k in very similar gear.



The last time I saw someone legitimately doing horrible damage - he was a Cat DPS wearing Balance/Resto gear. The guy was just using it to clear the iLvl for the troll heroics. We kicked him.

I dinged 85 on my rogue around 9 pm my time last night. I queued for a random at 84 and dinged halfway through and pulled about 10k DPS.

When I got out of the random, I immediately traded a guildmate with the JP a Gurubashi Punisher for my BoE 359 boots. I bought a BoE 378 belt, BoE 353 gloves (they were ridiculously cheap), ran another 5-man to get the last bit of JP needed for my Fluid Death, did Thrall's questline for my cloak, and had a Brainsplinter crafted for myself.

By the time I logged off at 11:45 my time I was eligible to queue for heroics.

And if you don't believe me, look up Powderpuf on Aerie Peak Alliance side.

Edited, Oct 20th 2011 9:03am by Bigdaddyjug

I understand where Bhodi's coming from here.

I know he's a really good player. I'm nowhere near his level, but I do generally know what I'm doing. And it helps that I have 8 85's and the other 2 classes in the 70s so I'm pretty well familiar with at least 2 specs from every class. So I know roughly what even an average-to-good player *should* be able to do at certain gear levels.

I cringe a lot. I don't understand either. None of it is terribly complicated and some specs are downright simple.

I've been going through all my alts recently and spending a week or so on each. If I can take a character I haven't actually played in months and spend 2 days getting them troll geared and do 12k dps+, or smoothly heal or tank, I see no reason anybody else can't pick things up just as easily.

I suspect, based on comments from a lot of people over the years, that many people aren't really playing when they're playing; tabbed out watching vids or reading, watching a movie or tv show, reading a book, etc. I think a lot of the dreadfully bad players are just paying no attention to the game. This annoys me. Log out. Go do your thing.

The belt cost me a decent amount, but it's BiS until the new raid tier hits (assuming I never get into a heroic T12 raid).

The weapon is also more than serviceable until I can get into some T13 raids and possibly get a chance at the legendaries.

Gold isn't a problem for me. My rogue is a double gatherer and I still have all of Uldum and TH to do for gold as well as about 10% of Deepholm. I also have TB and MF dailies I can do for gold.

I'd rather spend a bunch of gold now and be decked out in 369 iLevel gear when the new raid tier drops, rather than risk it running a bunch of dungeons and maybe not getting the drops.

The only thing I regret is that I have to wait 2 weeks to turn in my Hurricane deck.

Edited, Oct 20th 2011 11:25am by Bigdaddyjug