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Are you a virtual property thief? academic anonymous surveyFollow

#1 Aug 21 2011 at 6:07 PM Rating: Sub-Default
Hi Everyone!

You are invited to take part in a research project at Deakin University in Australia.

The primary objective of this proposed survey is to collect information on individuals are self proclaimed virtual property thieves (which is not a legislated crime at the moment). If you are an individual who has conducted virtual property theft, we want to find out how you conduct virtual property theft, when you are conducting virtual property theft, which virtual property items you steal (and how many), and finally how you sell these items.

This survey is TOTALLY anonymous, no identifiable information is collected (IP Address etc). SurveyMonkey allows authors to disable the storage of email addresses and disable IP address collection for all collection methods so authors can collect anonymous survey responses.

We are only aiming for a maximum of 50 respondents, but if we get more its great! If you choose to participate, thanks and we look forward to some interesting results!

The survey link is below:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/askavirtualthief


Survey apprived 8/17/2011 ~ Administrator Kaolian"

Edited, Aug 31st 2011 1:18pm by Xsarus Lock Thread: user request
#2 Aug 21 2011 at 6:34 PM Rating: Good
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It is in some counties:

Four people sentenced for virtual property theft


2009-05-24 16:41:41
SHENYANG, May 24 (Xinhua) -- Four young men were convicted of and sentenced for theft of virtual facilities and coins of online games, according to sources with a local court in Shenyang, capital of northeast China's Liaoning Province.

Wang Xiaoquan received three years' imprisonment and his three accomplices received reprieved sentences, each of the four was fined 5,000 yuan (about 735.3 U.S. dollars), according to a verdict statement of the People's Court of Dongling District on Saturday.

And:

"Last week, the Dutch court subjected two kids of ages 15 and 14 to 160 hours of unpaid work or 80 days in jail, because they stole virtual property from a 13-year-old boy. The boy was kicked and beaten and threatened with a knife while forced to log into Runescape and giving his assets to the two perpetrators. This ruling is the first of its kind for the Netherlands. Ars Technica has some more background information." In Japan, meanwhile, a woman has been arrested for "illegally accessing a computer and manipulating electronic data" after (virtually) killing her (virtual) husband.

And now this to protect you:

Virtual property theft or loss is no joke to online gamers who may spend countless hours earning virtual gold, weapons and even houses. Such incidents have to real-world arrests and even the occasional murder, as well as disputes between gamers and game operators. Now a Chinese insurance company has decided to get in on the action by offering perhaps the world's first virtual property insurance.

Edit: Typo

Edited, Aug 21st 2011 7:35pm by Seculartwo
#3 Aug 21 2011 at 10:21 PM Rating: Good
But America's all that matters donchaknow.
#4 Aug 22 2011 at 12:31 AM Rating: Good
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Seculartwo wrote:
"Last week, the Dutch court subjected two kids of ages 15 and 14 to 160 hours of unpaid work or 80 days in jail, because they stole virtual property from a 13-year-old boy. The boy was kicked and beaten and threatened with a knife while forced to log into Runescape and giving his assets to the two perpetrators. This ruling is the first of its kind for the Netherlands. Ars Technica has some more background information."
To be fair, the beating and threatening with a knife would likely be enough to try someone without the stolen virtual goods angle.
#5 Aug 22 2011 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Seculartwo wrote:
"Last week, the Dutch court subjected two kids of ages 15 and 14 to 160 hours of unpaid work or 80 days in jail, because they stole virtual property from a 13-year-old boy. The boy was kicked and beaten and threatened with a knife while forced to log into Runescape and giving his assets to the two perpetrators. This ruling is the first of its kind for the Netherlands. Ars Technica has some more background information."
To be fair, the beating and threatening with a knife would likely be enough to try someone without the stolen virtual goods angle.



Yea I do agree. But the ruling itself was a first and centered around the virtual property that was strong armed from the kid. They probably wouldn't have gotten 80-days /or 160 hours service for just the beating part; but then again I don't really know Dutch law and punishment.
#6 Aug 22 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
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We don't own the VP, do we? In the end it belongs to the company that developed it. According to Blizzard's EULA and ToU, at least.
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#7 Aug 22 2011 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
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selebrin wrote:
But America's all that matters donchaknow.

Well, not just America...
deakinrsearch wrote:
You are invited to take part in a research project at Deakin University in Australia.
#8 Aug 22 2011 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
jiggeryqua wrote:
selebrin wrote:
But America's all that matters donchaknow.

Well, not just America...
deakinrsearch wrote:
You are invited to take part in a research project at Deakin University in Australia.


What, you want me to read something I'm snarking? Are you daft?
#9 Aug 22 2011 at 12:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Australia is practically America anyway right?

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#10 Aug 22 2011 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
Australia is practically America anyway right?

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Other than the funny accents and the giant beer cans, sure.
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#12 Aug 22 2011 at 7:28 PM Rating: Good
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I'm glad I took your survey from four different spots and falsified data now.
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#13 Aug 22 2011 at 7:36 PM Rating: Default
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I'm glad I took your survey from four different spots and falsified data now.


I don't follow, four different spots? Why false data for, why not just don't do it?
#14 Aug 22 2011 at 7:50 PM Rating: Good
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Probably because you lashed out at Americans.

Edit: Only us Europeans are allowed to do that.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2011 3:50am by Mazra
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I'm one of the risks you take when you want to have other people do your homework online. Smiley: schooled
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#16 Aug 22 2011 at 7:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm one of the risks you take when you want to have other people do your homework online. Smiley: schooled


Homework what the? A survey is an academic research technique we use here. I still dont get it why you would do it 4 times with false data. Why not just avoid it? weird.
#17 Aug 22 2011 at 7:56 PM Rating: Good
Hey everyone, let's all give him false answers!

[sm]The beauty is, even if you throw out outliers, you can't know for sure how much is honest answering and how much is fake.

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#18 Aug 22 2011 at 8:00 PM Rating: Default
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Hey everyone, let's all give him false answers!

The beauty is, even if you throw out outliers, you can't know for sure how much is honest answering and how much is fake.

It's all bullsh*t.


*shrug* I knew going into it, it wouldn't all be 100% accurate. Its just a small extra study for my PhD. But yeah if you are that bored you would do a survey to give false data, its pretty sad.
#19 Aug 22 2011 at 11:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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I still dont get it


That's the problem. You've come to a forum with no idea about what we really do here and no idea of why a number of us hate surveys with a livid passion; you didn't do your research and with no understanding of your survey pool the survey itself is going to be about as useful as a mesh condom.

Self proclaimed virtual property thieves? Do you even have any idea if that is possible in the game this forum supports? Do you have any idea of how posters here generally react to such activities? Have you thought about how these things will influence your results? No, you haven't, and I'm embarrassed for whoever has the misfortune to be your adviser. They'll grant a piled higher and deeper to anyone these days.
#20 Aug 22 2011 at 11:58 PM Rating: Default
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I still dont get it


That's the problem. You've come to a forum with no idea about what we really do here and no idea of why a number of us hate surveys with a livid passion; you didn't do your research and with no understanding of your survey pool the survey itself is going to be about as useful as a mesh condom.

Self proclaimed virtual property thieves? Do you even have any idea if that is possible in the game this forum supports? Do you have any idea of how posters here generally react to such activities? Have you thought about how these things will influence your results? No, you haven't, and I'm embarrassed for whoever has the misfortune to be your adviser. They'll grant a piled higher and deeper to anyone these days.


I have used/played virtual world games/environments for over 10 years, so got a pretty good grasp on what they involve, yes.

I know everyone on the planet hates surveys, you don't like it, don't do it, no one is forcing you!

My last survey presented high percentage of victims from this game, so it seems thief's are targeting it.

I have a pretty good guess at how people react to thieves, they hate them, hence why I am aiming to stop them for good. I am not a thief, I am surveying people who claim to be thieves. People have no reason to be mad at the survey.

If people when doing the survey don't agree to being a thief they cant progress in the survey. No anonymous survey is going to be 100% accurate, this is a very tiny study for the end part of my thesis, its not a pillar of my research.

There is no need to be rude, I am a very hard working post grad student with good achievements, my supervisor is far from embarrased. If you don't like this research topic just skip past and go play some WoW.
#21 Aug 23 2011 at 12:07 AM Rating: Excellent
What bugs me is the "which is not a legislated crime at the moment" interjection. What purpose does it serve? Most of the presentation is neutral, there's effort made to stress neutrality (no IP logging or personal information), and then you have the above aside suggesting approval while the survey itself says
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"The results of this research may be used to help the researcher Nicholas Patterson to obtain a philosophy doctorate and design a cost effective solution, which will save many innocent people from losing their digital assets and wiping out a vast problem that exists in these virtual worlds."
which suggests disapproval.

Back when I was more involved with Psychology (one freshman class and then living with a major while she was Thesising) it was stressed upon us that how the survey is written is critical to the results received, and that a consistent tone was integral. This was up to eleven years ago though, so I'm curious if things have changed.

EDIT: and Rhodekylle's comments were toward this forum in particular. It's small enough to have a tight-knit forum community while prominent enough to be caught up in the net whenever somebody wants to do a survey of WoW players. In some cases such as yours the surveyer is alert enough to get permission first but relatively recently we had a flood of poorly-written surveys that were apparently assigned by a teacher who didn't teach the kids how to do a proper one. Lots of "I'm trying to show that gamers are introverted. plz respond."

In addition we don't support hackers. In order to maintain it's officially sanctioned (or however it's qualified) status Zam has a zero-tolerance policy on discussion of hacks or cheats, and so while I'm sure some lurkers are more open to the idea most of the people here are more likely to have been victims. And it's understandable to get hostility from a victim.

I don't know where you've posted this survey and what results you may get, but if things don't work out I suggest designing a survey about hacking/theft in general, for victims and perpetrators alike as well as general feelings. It could be presented in a much more approachable manner and then you can filter out the data points of people who say they've stolen digital goods to do your *actual* analysis. As I said my survey experience is rather old and you're the PhD student so you probably know better than I, but I dislike making criticisms without offering solutions.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2011 11:20pm by selebrin

Edited, Aug 22nd 2011 11:21pm by selebrin
#22 Aug 23 2011 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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What bugs me is the "which is not a legislated crime at the moment" interjection. What purpose does it serve? Most of the presentation is neutral, there's effort made to stress neutrality (no IP logging or personal information), and then you have the above aside suggesting approval while the survey itself says [quote]"The results of this research may be used to help the researcher Nicholas Patterson to obtain a philosophy doctorate and design a cost effective solution, which will save many innocent people from losing their digital assets and wiping out a vast problem that exists in these virtual worlds."
which suggests disapproval.

Well I guess just to enforce, you are free to participate even if you have stolen virtual items. You wont be locked up, because we are not recording any IP etc. but also you wont get charged with virtual property theft as a crime.

Well if a participant is a thief and taking part in the survey, pretty sure they are aware people disapprove of this problem. It was merely a statement to suggest why I might be conducting this study, and what it will assist with.

Thanks for your input, its quite hard to get any survey perfect for everyone, especially one of this unorthodox nature.


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My last survey presented high percentage of victims from this game, so it seems thief's are targeting it.


You needed a survey to tell you that?

Do you know what would have to happen to make stuff like stealing virtual currency illegal? You do understand that the changes needed to make that stuff illegal could end up destroying MMO gaming entirely?
#24 Aug 23 2011 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
Australia is practically America anyway right?

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Nope


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#26 Aug 24 2011 at 1:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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deakinresearch wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
Australia is practically America anyway right?

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Nope


Yup

In many ways, yes, we are. We're marinated in American pop culture from all sides, with some other spices thrown in. We're really kind of like the ******* child of America and the UK: We have America's weight, Britain's love of Indian take-away restaurants, we say both "mate" and "*****" a lot and we have gigantic f*ckin' spiders.
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