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Ok I know this will probably not happen, but that pic of the Ethereals makes me want to be able to play one sooooooo bad. I feel like they would be really fun with some cool abilities. I realize that I am never gonna get it, but that is fine. I will dream today!!!!
Sounds like fun to me. 
Entirely plausible if they ever do an expansion which builds on or remakes Outland in some way.
Entirely plausible if they ever do an expansion which builds on or remakes Outland in some way.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Well Blizzard muttered something once about redesigning outlands since a lot of content is obsolete and it is a very unenjoyable leveling experience, Northrend only being slightly better, but not by much at this point. So we may revisit old Outland instances too.
I think that is largely dependent on your perspective. I prefer Outlands to Northrend tbh. It seems to go by a lot faster. I don't even know why, other than not being able to go to Hyjal/Vash until 80, but Northrend just seems to drag and drag.
Outland and Northrend are both a drag. Done all the quests so many times already that I usually just grind dungeons, but they're so fast that I spend more time in queue than in the dungeon itself.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Yeah Northrend is the death of alts for me atm. Outlands is over quickly enough it's not a big deal, plus the expansion is far enough in the past to be nostalgic for me. Northrend is where spent way to much time way to recently.
That and dragonblight is just plain gloomy.
That and dragonblight is just plain gloomy.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Yeah, Dragonblight sucks balls now. Especially since you can't do the Battle for UC anymore. =/
Mazra wrote:
Outland and Northrend are both a drag. Done all the quests so many times already that I usually just grind dungeons, but they're so fast that I spend more time in queue than in the dungeon itself.
One of the nice things about Cataclysm dungeons, especially the ones you can do while levelling, is that they give a decent amount of experience. I don't know if Blizzard boosted the exp you get from dungeon mobs or what. I know it doesn't seem like any drag on. Even Throne of the Tides with all of its running back and forth seems to go pretty quick.
The only dungeons that seem to drag on are heroic SFK and DM, and you don't do those until you hit 85.
The only issues with DM I have are when there's no one who knows how to run the reavers. I fully admit I'm as much to blame as anyone else, but for whatever reason I have a hard time with it. It really doesn't help when the elementals spawn on top though... SFK goes by fine for me. The other dungeon I have issues with is Stonecore. I've had nothing but bad experiences in there. It sucks.
Wonder Gem PigtailsOfDoom wrote:
The only issues with DM I have are when there's no one who knows how to run the reavers. I fully admit I'm as much to blame as anyone else, but for whatever reason I have a hard time with it. It really doesn't help when the elementals spawn on top though... SFK goes by fine for me. The other dungeon I have issues with is Stonecore. I've had nothing but bad experiences in there. It sucks.
I don't have any problem with DM. Heroic DM and SFK are 2 of my favorite instances. It's just that they definitely take longer. Actually, the "level 85" dungeons and the 2 revamped heroics are longer than anything you do while levelling. GB, HoO, and Lost City are all longer than anything you do from 80-85. And it may be just me, but heroic DM and SFK seem even longer than that, especially DM.
Edit: I've gotten lucky in that with 4 85s, I've never had Stonecore come up as my random heroic. I've done it plenty of times on normal, but on normal it's a cakewalk.
The one that seems to give me trouble is heroic BRC. I had a group wipe 8 times in there the other night. I only stayed in for 8 wipes because I was with a couple of guidlmates, but still. 8 wipes!!!
Edited, Aug 11th 2011 5:31pm by Bigdaddyjug
What issues do you have? BRC isn't too bad as long as people know to dps down chains for the first boss, how to stay in their streams during Corla and the tank knows when to put the big fire dude in the flames for his debuffs. Those are really the only hard fights. Beauty is more annoying than anything else and she's skippable, and the last boss isn't too hard.
GB and HoO can be long, but frankly I'm always thrilled when I get LC. If you have a good group you can get that place done in 20 minutes. It's super fast.
GB and HoO can be long, but frankly I'm always thrilled when I get LC. If you have a good group you can get that place done in 20 minutes. It's super fast.
Ahhh, DM... Remember when DM was Dire Maul and VC was Deadmines (VanCleef)?
Kids these days.
As for dungeon length, the longest (and most tedious) one is probably Grim Batol. That dragon flying thing just takes forever, man. Halls of Origination and The Deadmines are long as well, but they can be shortened drastically. You can kill just three bosses in HoO and finish it (kill the guardian at the entrance, the guardian blocking the elevator and Rajh). The Nightmare Elixir portion of The Deadmines is also optional. The dungeon run ends when you kill Cookie, just like in the old days.
Kids these days...
Edited, Aug 12th 2011 12:55am by Mazra
Kids these days.
As for dungeon length, the longest (and most tedious) one is probably Grim Batol. That dragon flying thing just takes forever, man. Halls of Origination and The Deadmines are long as well, but they can be shortened drastically. You can kill just three bosses in HoO and finish it (kill the guardian at the entrance, the guardian blocking the elevator and Rajh). The Nightmare Elixir portion of The Deadmines is also optional. The dungeon run ends when you kill Cookie, just like in the old days.
Kids these days...
Edited, Aug 12th 2011 12:55am by Mazra
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra wrote:
Ahhh, DM... Remember when DM was Dire Maul and VC was Deadmines (VanCleef)?
Whether DM was referring to Deadmines or Dire Maul was a popular topic to troll /2 with on my old server for some reason.
That monster in the mirror, he just might be you. -Grover
Indeed. People who had long ago moved away from leveling through Westfall and on to the hardcore end-game dungeon of Dire Maul had some issues figuring out what the proper acronyms were.
Oh man, nostalgia time. I remember people referring to Gadgetzan as the end-game quest hub. :')
Oh man, nostalgia time. I remember people referring to Gadgetzan as the end-game quest hub. :')
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
If all you do is kill Cookie you don't get your VP though. You have to kill Vanessa to "officially" finish the dungeon.
The last couple of times I've been down there, killing Cookie activates the "Dungeon completed" icon and all. People still do the rest for the phat lewt and extra JP, though.
Or because they can't keep their hands off shiny, sparkly objects on the floor.
Or because they can't keep their hands off shiny, sparkly objects on the floor.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Really? I guess I'll have to pay attention more next time I do DM. I don't think I've done it since 4.2 hit. Or at least not completed it since then.
Well as unlikely as Ethereals or Pandarans are as playable races it would be fitting to give the allies something "almost" as cool as Pandarens when the Horde gets them. ;)
LOL!
...I actually agree with that. I would take Alliance Ethereals in exchange for Horde Pandas. Not like I am not going to play both anyway.
...I actually agree with that. I would take Alliance Ethereals in exchange for Horde Pandas. Not like I am not going to play both anyway.
Moonkissed wrote:
I would take Alliance Ethereals in exchange for Horde Pandas.
One interesting thing it would do would be to give each faction access to a race of traders, possibly adding perks along the lines of the Goblin racials.
someproteinguy wrote:
Mazra wrote:
Ahhh, DM... Remember when DM was Dire Maul and VC was Deadmines (VanCleef)?
Whether DM was referring to Deadmines or Dire Maul was a popular topic to troll /2 with on my old server for some reason.
My old server (and the first server i played) was opened only a month before BC so oddly enough "DM" has always meant "Deadmines" to me. Since nobody on my server save for transfers really ever touched Dire Maul. I couldn't for the life of me figure out what VC was when I tried playing on an older server where "VC" was used frequently. Even though I've transferred to another server that is also one of the original servers, I still can't for the life of me bring myself to refer to DM as VC.
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Moonkissed wrote:
I would take Alliance Ethereals in exchange for Horde Pandas.
I couldn't forsee the Ethereals actually siding with a faction. Then again, I guess we said that about Goblins too.
Edited, Aug 13th 2011 2:57pm by ekaterinodar
I think that Ethereal race options are interesting, but not game changing. If I had my own personal wish list of things that I would like Blizzard's Devs to be working on.... New Races would not rank high.
Also - Someone mentioned that Outlands feels faster than Northrend. I think it is. Outlands was never meant to be done (leveled) with a flying mount. In fact even at max level, Outlands wasn't supposed to have "Gimme" mounts. You had to pay a lot back then...
Now-a-days you have a 'gimme' mount as you walk into outlands.
While Northrend wasn't meant to be done with a mount, it's just seems more suited to dealing with flying players. Outlands just gets facerolled with a Flying Mount.
Also - Someone mentioned that Outlands feels faster than Northrend. I think it is. Outlands was never meant to be done (leveled) with a flying mount. In fact even at max level, Outlands wasn't supposed to have "Gimme" mounts. You had to pay a lot back then...
Now-a-days you have a 'gimme' mount as you walk into outlands.
While Northrend wasn't meant to be done with a mount, it's just seems more suited to dealing with flying players. Outlands just gets facerolled with a Flying Mount.
ekaterinodar wrote:
The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
Moonkissed wrote:
I would take Alliance Ethereals in exchange for Horde Pandas.
I couldn't forsee the Ethereals actually siding with a faction. Then again, I guess we said that about Goblins too.
Borsuk wrote:
While Northrend wasn't meant to be done with a mount, it's just seems more suited to dealing with flying players. Outlands just gets facerolled with a Flying Mount.
I'm going to have to disagree with your assumption of Northrend. It wasn't too far in that they gave us the cold weather flying scroll for alts. I think they designed it with flyers in mind.
Try doing Storm Peaks or Icecrown without a flying mount. It's probably possible, but good luck.
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