Diablo III - Real Life MoneyFollow

My initial reaction was very negative - similar to many others here.

After sitting on it for a while, I'm not so against it for three reasons:

1. No gold or generated items on AH - it's player to player transactions only.

2. Gold selling exists in WoW. I've met so many random people, such as guild mates and arena partners, who shamelessly admit to buying gold in WoW. Blizzard has tried so much to stop it, yet it still happens. And the gold being sold is now more than ever a product of account phishing/hacking, rather than more traditional farming. I guess what I'm saying is that I'd rather there is a fair system in place designed by the dev than leave it to shady business to fill the niche. I've never bought gold, and almost certainly won't buy items in D3, but I've accepted it as reality.

3. I can see myself selling stuff. I don't need the money IRL but my Jewish blood always puts me up to such challenges :)

Also, the game itself looks damn awesome. There is nothing else on the horizon like it. In fact, the only other game I'm excited for right now is TES5:Skyrim. If I take D3 off the table, it's just depressing...

What Callinon said.

If Blizzard wanted to make money, they could put a straight-up cash shop in D3. The cash AH keeps people from getting ripped off by 3rd-party sites less scrupulous than your friend.

Edited, Aug 7th 2011 8:24am by Nepabrite

It's possible, but they'll already be taking a cut of what's sold in the player-controlled AH. Setting up a cash shop is just going to drive people to the sort of websites that abounded during Diablo II, because they'll almost certainly sell items for less. It would also require Blizzard to keep a heavy eye on the in-game economy, to avoid setting inaccurate floors or ceilings for any items.

Please tell me that Nepabrite's posting style is just a parody of Demolition Man.

@Nepabrite

You appear to be unfamiliar with this forum. If you were, you would be aware that we usually go out of our way to report RMT ads. This particular thread is discussing a change in policy by the company that runs World of Warcraft, Transmigration's post was relevant to that discussion.

Your post and tone were condescending to the point of insult and a report will be filed.

Nepabrite is new, and just getting to know the community. I don't believe any insult was intended. According to the forum rules, technically URLs that fall under the link removed list are prohibited, though in that particular instance there was probably room for some leeway since you weren't trying to promote the site. That being said, the links we ban are banned for a reason too.

Are you really getting this bent out of shape about it? Since when have the posters here ever said "oh, you claim a friend of yours did something completely commonplace, we need a cite!!"? They're a new admin and they decided to make a post about it. I suppose at all the new jobs you've worked, you immediately got the feel of the workplace? Or did you choose to shirk your responsibilities until such time as you did, as you seem to think that Nepabrite should do?

One person quoted the link, not several.

While I don't see it specifically in the rules during a quick scan through, it has been longstanding practice that RMT links of any kind get removed as they are found by admins, regardless of the reason they were posted. That's why I dropped in a quick report. I even added to the note that I didn't feel it was an advertisement and that the poster didn't do anything wrong exactly, just that I figured that the link didn't belong. Based on Kao's response, I have a feeling that it was a justified supposition.

No one got in trouble from what I can tell. A quick reminder not to post RMT links for any reason can't really hurt anyone.



/shrug

I would have rather seen a quick reminder on the edit like DF or Kao often adds, but as Kao said, it's a newbie admin. I don't really see what was wrong with the post he made, but I'm not really here to comment on it. He pulled out a link I felt to be questionable and I'm thankful for that.


Each of the boards here are wildly different, but some things remain the same. I can't honestly imagine anyone asking for a cite on which RMT site someone's friend used to run on any board. It's not like you can really offer proof, anyway, short of editing the site or posting financial records or something, and that's just silly.

This has absolutely nothing to do with designated admins or any such. A report button was clicked on a slow day. First admin to see it jumped on it. That's how it always works and always has(at least since the addition of the report button) as I recall.

Edited, Aug 8th 2011 3:49am by Poldaran

Edited, Aug 8th 2011 3:54am by Poldaran

You are partially correct. It would have been more precise to say a couple and I retract any implication of a larger number. I see <link removed> in two posts beyond the first, one by AstarintheDruid and one by Anobix.



If a rule is cited to me, and linked, then it should have been clear enough that you and I are able to find relevant language. If we can't, it may very well be policy or tradition, but the link was not germane. I would be on equally valid grounds to assert that one does not disappear an admin post without reason. Now, if I am completely wrong, why for did the post vanish? I practiced law long enough to be uncomfortable when people start editing records, there is seldom a proper justification for it.



It is disingenuous to misinterpret my statements in that manner, particularly when I gave an example. People here support, and are challenged to support, various assertions. The assertion in question was that a friend earned enough to buy a car and put himself through college. I will assume, since I neither play Diablo 2 nor claim knowledge of who's who in RMT (nor do I imply that you do) that the site linked was one that would have been reasonably well known, to the point people might reasonably have gone "oh, yeah, I bet those guys made some real money." Don't try to straw man what I wrote.



Again, let's dispense with the rhetorical devices. Making an absolute statement may sum up your opinion, but it doesn't make it true. Also, you've been posting longer, but I've been posting long enough not to accept a "back in the day" explanation that doesn't predate me. Our opinions differ, fair enough, but in those days (before the button) the random admins were other people like Kao and DF who knew the community. I don't think the current model encourages that kind of familiarity.

tl;dr You reported the link, it is only natural that you agree with that removal. I reported a post, it is gone too.

edited to remove dead space at end of post

Edited, Aug 8th 2011 7:22am by Rhodekylle

Taking a walk at Oblivion, I suppose.
Oh, wait, its another ES now, forgot the name...

Anyway, I do agree with the link removal. It could have been done in a smoother way, though. Removing posts is kinda bad.

Edited, Aug 8th 2011 11:41am by Brisin

I ate it.

Is delicious with cheese wiz.