Firelands HeroicsFollow

Are pretty much exactly what I feared.

My guild steamrolled through all of normal modes last week and ended up downing Ragnaros on Monday (I was only present for a few of the kills - RL, etc.)

So we started Heroics today.

Normals are very easy. Heroics are not.

Going into this patch, my number one fear would be that we would power through the normal modes, then slam our faces against the hardmodes for the rest of the tier. We couldn't even down Shannox tonight, and he was the only one we worked on for four hours. Pert of it was likely that we went into this patch in T11 heroic gear, mostly. So we were at an obvious advantage. But the fact doesn't change that we went through half of the raid content our first week.

I know people say that they have no pity for those who power through months worth of stuff in the first few weeks. And I agree with that to an extent. However, our guild was merely going at our natural pace. We weren't min/maxing to a ridiculous degree, we weren't paying for faction transfers to reset our raid ids, we weren't going anything but ******** around in Mumble and killing bosses.

It'd be one thing if the guild is trying to go for world firsts. However, I feel like there's just not enough content when you can just get through half of it in the first week.

I'm not saying that I wanted to wipe to normals again and again. However, it seems that this tier is noticeably more forgiving than the last. I wanted normals to at least give me more than just a few casual kills worth of content. Honestly, my overall impression of them was that they just weren't hard.

Heroics, however, (or at least the one fight I've seen firsthand) were a brick wall. We wiped 33 times before calling it for the night and killing him on normal mode. The lowest we got him was 50%.

I don't think I wanted to kill him my first night. That pretty much puts him in the category of what I explained above. However, the jump between normal and heroic is simply massive. And lets say we spend a good month, month and a half and eventually down H Rag. Then what? We still have no idea when or what the next raid is (if it's another ToC I swear to jegus I'm ******* quitting this game), let alone what 4.3 will hold. I think they talked about a CoT raid or something?

But the point stands: There's not enough content, normal is too easy, and the jump to heroic is huge, but not insurmountable.

Heroics are probably a little tough, but nothing we can't handle, I think. It's just a shock going from Majorlolmo to **************************************** And above all, my biggest concern is, what do I do when we run out of content in two months? Will it be ICC again, raiding the same thing for 9 oh so long months?

I agree completely. Whether or not my guild may actually want to do that, however...

I'll talk to them about it.

Easily can be hard for a lots of players, I am happy that Heroics gives a good challenge for our top wowers. Expect a 4.3 coming up real soon.

My casual group apparently didn't have the dps for the spider lady, so I can't exactly relate. =x But I can sure sympathize, and I don't blame you for being frustrated. Blizz has said that they want to release patches out sooner, so with fewer bosses this time around perhaps that will be possible. It seemed like the main reason it took so long for them to release Firelands was because people weren't downing the T11 raids quick enough. So that's probably why they scaled back the difficulty of normal modes.

We pretty much ignored fire traps. Rageface and Riplimb both develop Feeding Frenzy, meaning you're going to need to find ways to get them to drop off. And because Rageface isn't tankable, you're going to need to clear those stacks before he goes around oneshotting people. We found this point to be about 30 stacks, though deaths became increasingly likely after 20 stacks.

Fire traps might help to break his Face Rage, but it also puts a debuff on him which prevents himf rom being trapped again for 30 seconds. I don't think you're going to be able to firetrap him - just go straight for the crystals to get the stacks to fall off. That really is number 1 priority.



And honestly, I think I would enjoy that. For me, the fun of raiding isn't in constantly pushing towards a new boss, but for enjoying the ones we have. I could certainly take a week or two to hit up some bosses, I think.

Edited, Jul 6th 2011 10:46pm by IDrownFish

I've been hearing that 25 H is a lot easier than 10 H. No telling if that's true or what, but so far there has been significantly more 25 kills than 10.

Anywho, grats!

We just killed Shannox on normal, getting a Ranseur of Hatred off trash helped. It took my 28.5K shred/ravage crits up to 30.5K. Since our other top dps are a moonkin (could pop it if in eclipse) and a hunter (needed aimed shot, which is relatively show, and it's mean the dog's meleeing him where he can't shoot it) this made me the most reliable facerage-breaker in the group.

I know, it's not heroic, but I'm proud of it.

Theorically, people who clear Heroic T1 isnt interested in T2, but in Heroic T2. So it all boils down to how Heroic T2 is designed.
And no one has definte answers yet.

My honest opinion on this? 7 bosses is too little. If they make heroic so hard that you will wipe endlessly unless you farm for gear, that's pretty much the same as gating content. If they dont do that, heroic will be cleared in a few weeks, maybe less, by the top end raiders. Because it's only 7 bosses.
It should be, at least, 11 bosses. I wonder when they are planning to release the new content. 3 months? 6? 9? Will it be the same tier or will it be T13?
Firelands is too small. Even if you spend most of your time clearing trash.

So yeah, there's that.

Totally agree Protein. I judge the difficulty of raid content based on how difficult I personally find it, and how much of the wow population has completed it. If I was a leet raider, I might have a different perspective, but I consider myself to be average to above average when it comes to raiding skill.

Necrobumping this to say that Firelands is now officially cleared.

They say they wiped 500+ times on this fight. I think it's hyperbole, but there's no telling.

I doubt they did, since they don't want to release the kill video until others have killed him and the strat is known. They like to keep things secret.

It really depends on how long they let a bad fight go before they call for a wipe, and how long it takes to get back and ready for the next pull. Good guilds will have the time between attempts down to a bare minimum, so it's pretty easy to get 20+ attempts in per hour.