N00bs in dungeonsFollow

Ahune is a *****, as are more of those event bosses, in my experience. People jump into the fight the moment they can and basically fail at life in every way possible.

I healed one run yesterday and I tanked two of those elementals throughout the fight.

I have a friend who's like this and it drives me absolutely up the wall.

We're in the same guild and I always dread seeing "Hey bro can we run . . .?" because I know how it will turn out. Our most recent issue was that he really wanted to down Ahune for the achieve.

1.3k dps. And died repeatedly. It was actually so bad we couldn't keep a group together and I finally gave up trying to pull him through after an hour or so of wipes. Because not only was he doing nearly nothing but somehow at the same time managing to ***** up what everybody else was doing. I don't honestly know how. Tricks to a dps maybe?

On a personal level he's a good dude but in game I just . . I don't understand. I'm certainly not the be-all-end-all of anything. I'm a mediocre rogue at best (about my 4th string alt) but I can solo quest for hours nonstop and the 2 or 3 heroics I've done on her I managed at least 9-11k overall (way higher on bosses). This rogue though is my friend's only real toon he plays and he's played longer than I have - probably 4 years I think.

In /g the other day I see some comment about trying to quest and getting faceplanted repeatedly so I look at the guild tab and see he's in Zangarmarsh. I just . .I don't understand how somebody can NOT get things THAT badly. And it's not like he's not on a lot or whatever; hours a day almost every day. He's probably logged more than me (who has 5 85's, 3 80+, and a ton of <60 alts) on just this one toon. Hardly any gold, no maxed professions, no piles of mounts/pets, doesn't run dungeons hardly ever (thankfully), not a ton of achieves for anything. You'd think that playing the same toon for years you'd at least accidentally stumble upon something that worked really well and decide to keep doing that.


I never thought to do this before but i just checked armory; INT ring, spell proc trinket (ilvl 178), STR/Parry necklace . . .

What to do, what to do

I was planning to take my Pala to Ahune to practice healing but after a couple of pugs on a different toon I'm not sure that is such a great idea. I wasn't healing and the other dps were lower than me (7-9k to my 14k so still not bad) but the first two tanks we got were just plain bad. First one had no gems and didn't seem to be able to hold threat on anything. Second one had really low health (95k) but was level 84 so I figured maybe that was it, a quick inspect however showed numerous dps items, at least one healing item and 4 with agility on (on a paladin). When I asked about it he said that tanking stats were strength and stamina, I pointed out that maybe mitigation stats would be a good plan. Can't remember if we tried or if someone else vote kicked him before we tried.

Some sort of measure that people have picked the right gear for their role and have a basic understanding of it would be nice. But on the flip side there is only so much hand holding that Blizzard can do. I would settle for an ignore that worked like the battle.net friending and ignored all their characters on all of my characters. Of course I'd save it from extreme cases of fail, but it would be nice to have the option of never grouping with certain people again.

I suggested this once on the o-boards and it was "Bah, you already get 2 pieces of 333 already!"

Except they are ignoring the fact that:

Of Strength Plate:

1). One of them, is a Blue 333 chest. You get a Blue 333 chest in early Twilight Highlands questing. Why not make one of those a wrist instead of a chest, and then we'll actually have 333 wrist obtainable without farming Normal HoO?

2). One of them is a 333 GREEN (wtf!?) Helmet, which really isn't Too bad, but there's a better helmet out of Twilight Highlands, Revered. Sure, it is a tank helm, but you can also reforge the tank stat (but you can't reforge out of resil? lol). Again, make one of those a wrist, or shoulders.

So, recap:

You can get these 333-346 pieces easily:

Head (two of them, one tank, one crafted DPS)
Body (two of them, one crafted, one early Twilight Highlands)
Gloves (a few days of rep)
Legs (no grinding required, though they are tank legs)
Feet (no grinding required, just do all of Hyjal)
Rings (Both DPS, a few days of grinding Therazane, the other from Ramkahen)
Necklace (Tank neck from Hyjal; reforge the tank stat)
Weapon (Either CoC or mid-zone solo quests)
Tank Shield (Quests leading up to Twilight Highlands)
Cape (Twilight Quest, but the new Thrall quest line gives 365!)

What does that leave?

Relic (there's a 346 crafted one, but it is pretty expensive, requiring -12- inferno ink and 36 v-life).
Shoulders (next best are 325 tank shoulders from Uldum...)
Trinkets (there's a couple decent 320s, one of them from Uldum, one from Twilight Highlands)
Wrist (again, Blizz hates giving us wrists, to make it easier for us to /wrists or something)
Gun (333 craftable are fairly easy to obtain, but they are all +agility, fail on Blizz's part)

So they could have easily moved the crafted Body and Helm to Wrist and Shoulders.

Edited, Jun 30th 2011 2:46pm by Lyrailis

I do kind of wish they ramped up things a little slower. Going from 84 to 85 is a noticeable difference. It'd be great to have it not be so much of a shock to join endgame play.

There was also only one group quest in all of Cata. ONE. That doesn't really encourage learning.

He's in his 40's.

And again, has been playing mostly the same character for several years.

And the leveling process obviously escapes some people as he never managed to hit 80 through all of Wrath despite being on daily. I was was honestly floored when he hit 85 and think it may have happened partially by accident through exploration and bits of holiday stuff. I'm sincerely fascinated to be honest.

Died.
In Zangarmarsh.
At 85.
Repeatedly.
Spent hours a couple week ago trying to clear Scholomance and gave up.

Just . .how?

My point in all this was though, when you run into "that guy" in a dungeon, remember it could always be worse.

Actually, overall I'm not doing too bad gearing up. The VP items for JP conversion has helped a lot, as I already have my 2 piece tier 11 set, 359 boots (a friend bought them for me, even though I told him I could buy them on my priest myself, he's a sweetie like that), 359 relic, the cloak from the Thrall questline, and I bought 2 mace BoE's from the troll dungeons off the AH. That 333 green helm is the one I've been stuck with, and I've been hesitant to buy the 346 JP item to replace it, since ilvl wise it's not bad. I will probably do that after I buy the 359 trinket though, if I still haven't gotten an upgrade. One of my trinkets is still pretty low ilvl I think.

As far as the neck goes, I'm working on my Ramakhen rep (halfway through exalted) so I can replace it with the epic. I'm still embarrassed that I did that, especially since I bought the blue off the AH and somehow didn't notice that it was a caster neck. >.>

What ilvl do you need to enter Heroics? Because my DK has only non-dungeon gear, and he's able to queue... Is it different for tanks and healers?

Seriously? My average ilvl is 341 without ever having done a dungeon...

I didn't even buy any gear, though, minus the lowest level rep rewards. It was all just from quests. Well, I do have the Thrall Quest cape now, but I didn't before and could still queue.

I really thought you were expected to run normals before heroics now?

Or is the lfg tool just overly generous?

The highest level quest rewards are almost all only 333, the only exceptions being the cloaks from the Thrall chain, the JC trinkets, a quest in ZA, and the DMF cards. Of course, if you level mostly through questing, you can get GoH to Revered (346 rewards), and possibly Dragonmaw Clan / dirty Alliance equivalent. I think I bought one JP item from leveling through instances, rep pieces where I could find them, and one BoE blue on my DK and War and they were both ready to DPS heroics. I didn't start tanking until later, when I had actual tanking gear.

I'm not sure what I bought and when, but from looking at my achievements I ran 4 heroics the same day I dinged 85 and got the Cata Superior achievement 2 days later. It wasn't until three days after hitting 85 that I got my first Cata rep to exalted.