N00bs in dungeonsFollow

Okay, so I know we have these threads about once a month or so, but I have a REALLY funny story from my first heroic on my DK last night.

There was a rogue in the group, and frankly he sucked. Big time. The dungeon was ToT, and I'll admit it, I ****** up on the first boss. I'm still getting the hang of melee, and she did some sort of knock back within the first 10 seconds which threw me up in the air and then I died from fall damage when I landed. What's funny though, is the shaman healer in the group linked damage meters because it took forever for them to get the boss down after I died. The rogue had done about 3k dps, and had done about half the amount of damage that the tank had done. Obviously, I didn't out damage him with dying so quickly, but I did over 4k dps in those 10 seconds. =x

All of us aside from the tank (who was his friend) started giving him ****, the mage in particular. The rogue claimed that "of course you did good dps, mage is easy!" I told him I didn't care how hard his class was to play, there was no excuse for doing 3k dps at 85. Especially considering I had just hit 85 an hour ago. We got to the second boss, and the shaman linked meters again. I was at the top having done 11k, mage had done about 10k again, and the rogue had done 4k being under the tank yet again. At this point, the rogue and mage started bickering and the mage got annoyed and left. I pointed out to him that while Arcane may be a relatively easy spec to play, that fire mage was not. He disagreed and it eventually came out that he was subtlety specced. At this point I started laughing and told him no wonder he was doing bad dps. His response was "Sub is good for raiding, why wouldn't it be good for dungeons!?" /facepalm I pointed out to him that subtlety is a pvp spec, and that he should look up stateofdps sometime to see that subtlety rogues are at the bottom of the charts in almost every fight. We get the octopus dude down, and the shaman links the meters yet again. I had done 48k, while the rogue had only done 15k. I don't remember what the new dps had done, but I was pretty astounded, as I don't think I had ever done that much dps on that fight before, on either my druid or my priest.

Just wanted to share my story of the silly sub rogue who ******* about how easy mages are. =x

Or Auto Attacked, even.

Yeah... I know nothing about rogues really, aside from what I've seen on stateofdps, so I wasn't sure what he possibly could be doing to do that bad of dps.

Well, I went to WoL and chose a 10 man fight, mut rogue, and then went down to where they were pulling 15k

Auto attacks were totally about 2.3k dps, instant poison was doing 3.7k and deadly was doing 2k.

Even trying to scale those down more, I can't help but feel a properly geared Rogue at 85 in quest gear should be pulling more than that just from auto-attack, yeah.

So let's go ahead and assume:

-Pigtail's noob wasn't using poisons or slice and dice.
-He was using a fast main hand and a slow off-hand.
-He engaged each boss when they were at 25%, and regularly wasn't facing the enemny.
-He engaged from the front.
-He used no abilities.

I remember my freshly dinged Mage could do 10k dps on bosses in Heroics at 80... Was awesome...

I miss Icy Veins. D:

I can't help but think that it shouldn't be too hard to code the lfg tool such that it would ignore gear with resil on it.

You could game it, sure, but you'd still need another set of armor to do it. Just having PvP gear wouldn't be enough.

Not having poisons is really inexcusable now. I mean, it was inexcusable in Vanilla, when you needed to farm the ingredients for them yourself...

I'm just going to venture a guess that this individual was a product of lazy gaming. You don't really need to pay much attention to get to max level in this game. Watching TV and spamming your sinister strike button for a rogue should more then get you to max level. I honestly wonder though, why constantly being kicked out of groups or made fun of doesn't seem to effect people the way it should. Why is there no interest in trying to be any better so that you DON'T get kicked all the time. I'm so confused....

I think the PVP gear shouldn't be ignored, but maybe it should get an appropriate PVE item level, calculated from the the stats of the gear w/o resil.

On a side note, for DPS can still easily wear PVP gear in heroics. Better gear is better ofc, but 4k DPS won't be cured by purplz.

There will always be Idiots in LFD, best think you can do is hope that you don't get too many at a time, or them filling important spots for certain dungeons.

It's not lazy per se, just a different approach. Some people like theory-crafting, or at least reading about other people's theory-crafting, and some people take more of a beer and pizza approach. The problem comes in when you mix people from group A with people from group B. An extra difficulty slider on heroics would be nice. For example, people could queue up without the LotD buff, and get an extra 10% or 20% JP from each boss. Then buff the LotD buff to a constant 20%. This way, people that want easy heroics have their easier heroics, and people that want more of a challenge have that option.

Seems like the PVP gear in PVE issue could be solved by allowing resilience to be reforged.