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#1 Mar 18 2011 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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look terrible in the current tier. They all have some blue tint thing going on that I greatly dislike. The hats are also just stupid looking compared to the awesome heroic ones.

I like the earth tones of the heroic gear, the not insane looking shoulders, looking like a soldier and not a fancy boy.
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#2 Mar 18 2011 at 12:47 AM Rating: Good
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Have they released the next tier sets yet? It should be nearing time, no? 4.2 is supposed to be out fairly soon after 4.1, and a lot of the raid info is already available.

But yeah, this tier's gear sucks. I never liked it. Only the DK was good, imo. Mages/Warlocks were fine. Druids weren't SO bad. But Priest/Hunter/Paladin/Warrior/Rogue were among the worst they've ever had, imo. Druid/Shaman were just boring.

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Though I suppose we normally get the tiers earlier by datamining PTRs. And since 4.2 is just the raid, coming out later, it makes sense that we'll get it long after normal--4.2 won't be on the PTR nearly as long as other content patches were.

Edited, Mar 18th 2011 2:49am by idiggory
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#3 Mar 18 2011 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
Some tier sets look great, some look stupid. Some dungeon gear looks great, some looks stupid.

I'm not so sure it's even that the pieces themselves look stupid, only that they look completely wrong situationally.

For instance, I think that the Mage Tier looks great. It completely conveys the volatility of the class, looks flashy yet serious, and gives an overall sense of badassness.

Deathknights and Priests look relatively good, as well. The druid set looks decent for a caster, but seeing as the class has a wide variety of roles it fails in and of itself.

Then you have Shaman and Rogue sets, and the Warlock, Warrior and Paladin sets not including the helm. These sets look acceptable, but far from any exceptional piece of gear. Epic Warlock has a good tint to it, but the Warrior and Paladin coloring is all wrong! And someone tell me why a Rogue would want to glow? These sets are not suitable as epic sets. They are standard and take a horrible direction in where they attempt to stand out.

Lastly, Hunters. These sets should never have been conceived. If they had been conceived, they shouldn't have been drawn as concept, and then certainly not rendered as 3D sets. Once rendered, they most definitely should have not been implemented, and the fact that they were then chosen as acceptable Tier pieces boggles the mind.

The problem lies in the checks and balances between creativity, practicality and aesthetics. Truthfully, only Mage achieves a good balance. Casters should emit light, and have doodads floating about being suspended by magic: a continuation of TBC graphics with less pink. Rogues should be dark, emitting smoke and darkness. Hunters should look as though their armor is crafted out of leathers from animals they have championed. Paladins need to look simple, slow, solid, but bright to accommodate their different play styles, just as Druids should emanate the simple tones of earth with the flows of magic. Shamans' gear should reflect the elements, remaining volatile yet solid.

I'm all for bucking convention, but I just don't get what they were going for with these Tier pieces. They're horrible. Horrible bad. And I'm with you, the Helmets are overall the worst of all tiers.

I suppose gear graphic bashing is a constant: people always find something wrong with the gear. I greatly disliked the look of 3.0 gear before Tier, I thought it all looked too brown. But at least T7 conveyed the point of each class. And as WotLK went on, the gear got worse and worse.

Now we're at a fresh point: the weakest tier of this expansion. It should look restrained, and that is the one thing they got right. But heroic gear looks restrained too, and it doesn't look blatantly horrible.
#4 Mar 18 2011 at 3:23 AM Rating: Good
I actually really like the Druid tier set. Having wings is freaking awesome! Especially when they randomly molt. I like leaving trails of feathers all over the place. ^_^ I'd agree that the mage set looks pretty awesome too. I honestly haven't really looked at any of the other sets, so I can't comment on them.
#5 Mar 18 2011 at 4:45 AM Rating: Good
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I find that the feathery shoulders are mocking my choice of race.

Bat Form doesn't have feathers.
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#6 Mar 18 2011 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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People always complain about the look of their epics. Paladins looked like bananas, then they appeared to be wearing dresses....


I've never cared too much.


The only things I've ever noticed were the wierd things - Like someone having the twin blades from TBC. Really other than that... Never been a big deal.
#7 Mar 18 2011 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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I particularly like my mage's WWF-style belt. /vomit

Also, I picked my mage's apperance because I like it. If I wanted to play as Ghost Rider, I'd go play World of Nicholas Cage. Glowing eyes is cool, but the current mage helm is just silly.
#8 Mar 18 2011 at 9:35 AM Rating: Excellent
Mazra wrote:
I find that the feathery shoulders are mocking my choice of race.

Bat Form doesn't have feathers.


It could if you let us tar and feather you. :D
#9 Mar 19 2011 at 4:35 AM Rating: Excellent
Mazra wrote:
I find that the feathery shoulders are mocking my choice of race.

Bat Form doesn't have feathers.


I can see it now....

Newbie Blizz designer guy: Boss, Boss, I solved the feather problem.

Boss: Great. We were having a hard time getting the look right since bats don't have feathers.

Newbie: This is really breaking new ground. You know how we had those great quests in Helfire, and everybody loved your Negrand cherry idea. Picture this for our bat friends. Guano shoulders, and they could even drop poo while they fly.

Boss: That's the stupidist... hey, you might be on to something. Get going on some sketches pronto.


Edited, Mar 19th 2011 6:42am by dadanox
#10 Mar 19 2011 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
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World of Nicholas Cage.


...I would totally play this game. Especially if every NPC went "Not the bees! AHHHHHHH Ahgarbulagabah my eyes! my eyes!" when you clicked on them.
#11 Mar 19 2011 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
^ Seconded.

The worst thing I've ever seen him do is the scene where he stalks, pretends to meet, and then attempts to have coffee and a conversation with a strange lady in Knowing. He's just so smooth it hurts.
#12 Mar 19 2011 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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FuriousJorge wrote:
I particularly like my mage's WWF-style belt. /vomit


Oh god the belts... That plate rep dps belt covers the entirety of my dwarfs belly, including half his tabard. I have a Tabard of the ******* Achiever and I want to show it off! Not have it hidden behind a poorly textured, oversized, bright blue smudge.

Also my pet annoyance, Two Handed weapons with ridiculous grip locations. The 2h Mace from Erudax is my example, for some reason your character decided the most logical place to hold a weapon for maximum damage dealing potential was directly below the head, leaving 2 foot of handle swinging behind him when he runs. And when you carry the weapon on your back the handle sticks so far above your head it is comical.
#13 Mar 19 2011 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
Agreed, but then again rope belts that look paper thin for a warrior make no sense either.

The Mage Belt looks fantastic with the rest of the set, it just looks horrid when its discolored. Where the helmets you can make invis, it is obnoxious that the belts do not have such an option, but when put on as part of the full set they go wonderfully. Although I understand your complaint about your tabard.

I am a fan of the girdle style belts, at least for Plate classes, but it would be nice if there was an option for appearance.

To be frank, it would be very nice if there were a lot of options for appearance. I've played numerous MMOs that handled that aspect of the game much better. Dyes, Graphic Infusions, Graphic Swaps, Hidden Graphics, etc. all allow customization - something that helps keep people very very happy with their characters but able to change when they're feeling bored.

I personally find it obnoxious that you can find, say, a staff that's simply a piece of wood but is very powerful because it's been "infused" with some power, yet you cannot by any means of magic transfer that power to something that looks different. Also, Dying is simply put a zero-effort way to keep huge percentages of the population happy, and yet they seem to overlook the idea.

All the while, they bend to QQing on the boards about PVP and PVE, yet there are hundreds of legitimate complaints/concerns/suggestions for RP, Professions, and exploration that they do not seem to care about.
#14 Mar 19 2011 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
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I don't want to derail this into Rift talk, but I like the way they're doing armor there. Basically, your belt is invisible and your belt, shoulders and chest armor is rolled into your chest armor. Means that no matter what armor you're wearing, it at least matches pretty well.
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#15 Mar 19 2011 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
It's not a bad idea. I like being able to control my shoulders, though. Hmph.

Well, a few of the FTP MMOs have a system which almost always costs real cash in which you can alter the appearance of items by taking the graphic from one item and the stats from another. While there are the cliche players who simply find the biggest weapons and armors they can find to try to grab attention, this method also truly works well in diversifying the look of different players.

I'm still wearing mostly the Pre-T11 JP gear on my Priest, the one that looks like a white-mage. If I had my way this is what I'd wear till the end of time with him. Unfortunately, that gears getting replaced slowly but surely.
#16 Mar 20 2011 at 3:01 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, that was one thing I really liked about Maple Story. I played it for a month or two a few years back when I couldn't afford my WoW subscription, and some friends in my dorm played it. The different customizations you could make to your gear was pretty fun. I gave my wizard a sparkly robe and blue butterfly wings. ^_^
#17 Mar 20 2011 at 3:03 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not bothered anymore by bad looking gear in WoW, I mean if it's like that then meh, I'll get something prettier soon enough.
Of course, I still like pretty gear but if you really want your character to look pretty you can go play one of the superhero MMO's anyway.

I mean, where else do you get to make a ranger that looks like this:
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Or a warlock/mage type character that looks like this:
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Or make your character look like captain Falcon Smiley: grin
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#18 Mar 20 2011 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
One of her powers is her nipples are invisible! Kudos on Captain Falcon! Please tell me you have some sort of charging punch or kick.

Anyways, I've tried 2 of those super hero MMOs and was pretty disappointed. Got pretty bored after just a few hours. I think I probably spent more time in CoH hero editor than the actual game.
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#20 Mar 20 2011 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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its all subjective.


Well, yes and no.

For one, a tier set can look awesome, but people aren't going to enjoy it if they don't feel connected to it by class. I adored the Judgement set for Pallies back in Vanilla, but I'd hate it on my Death Knight or Mage--it just doesn't make sense. I think the Mage set for this tier looks cool, but I just don't connect to it at all. If it was a Warlock set, I think it would be great. I associate things like the Robes of Tirisfal with Mages (and that was probably my favorite set.

Furthermore, there are objective facts about what appeals to humans as a group. Complimentary colors, for instance. People also, generally, don't like muddled colors. And clean, clear lines are generally preferred to jagged ones (which is why seam placement on real clothes are so important).

Finally, people are going to like sets less the more "cluttered" they get. It shouldn't stress your eyes to look at your tier gear, which is one of the problems I have with most Hunter sets (and particularly this one).

And one last thing, though this doesn't really have a RL example to it--the focal point of WoW gear is the helm or the shoulders, but should never be both. That's just going too far, imo. If both are large and extremely detailed, then the whole set gets dragged down. But they can do really well by making one of the two the "impressive" part of the set--your eye shouldn't be drawn all over the place.

Beyond that, though, yes--the sets are subjective. The last tier of Mage gear doesn't violate any of these and I still hate it, but I'm sure others disagree. But some sets just seem to ignore these basic rules of thumb, and it makes me wonder how anyone could like them.
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#21 Mar 20 2011 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
I'd be willing to agree the Mage set would better suit a Warlock.

The Warlock set would better suit Crazy Ray who lives up on the hill and yells at children passing by.

*Edit*

Quick lil alteration to Mage set and you have a pretty cool bit of Warlock gear.

Destro, Demo, Affliction (although that's how how they split them up anymore)

Mage T11 as Warlock

Edited, Mar 20th 2011 2:02pm by tzsjynx
#22 Mar 20 2011 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
Ok and now I'm just replying to my own stuff here -_-

But if we're talking about progressing the game along. We now have it so that you may only have 1 "main" Talent Tree, so the game knows which talent spec you are, right? Well if this Teir gear is so powerful, wouldn't it be dandy if it just knew what spec you were and altered its stats accordingly? Or at least altered the appearance.

Just a thought.
#23 Mar 20 2011 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
For the pure DPS classes, sure. The rest of us already have different sets with different stats. :-p What I don't get is why Blizz puts ****** stats on gear, that no one who uses said gear actually needs. Like with caster leather gear, crit is the worst stat for both boomkins and resto, yet there's still a bunch of it on our gear. Now obviously we don't want zero crit, because critting is still a good thing, it just seems weird to me that on nearly all the new gear coming out of ZA and ZG, there's tons of crit and almost zero haste. I think maybe one piece has haste on it.

Also, I've noticed this with trying to gear my feral off set too. A lot of the epic rings with agility on them have haste. The rep ring, the VP ring, and one of the rings that drops off of the first fight in Throne. Now granted I don't know if hunters or rogues need haste (I doubt it though), but feral druids and enhancement shamans sure don't. Unlike with caster druids and crit, haste is completely and utterly useless for those two specs.
#24 Mar 20 2011 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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I think it's a balancing thing. Their ilvl system determines how many stat points need to be allocated. They choose stats the best they can to balance the classes. So caster leather might have a lot of crit because anything else is just too big a boost for that tier.

I don't know how tied the stat thing is to their ilvl system, so I don't know if it's stupid or would require a massive overhaul otherwise.

They also sometimes do it to intentionally underpower some items. I don't know how wide-spread that is, but I remember that they said Quel'Delar was given Haste intentionally, because they wanted to give dungeons a strong, rare 241 weapon, but wanted to be sure that it would be replaced by raid gear in time.
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#25 Mar 20 2011 at 6:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, yes and no.

For one, a tier set can look awesome, but people aren't going to enjoy it if they don't feel connected to it by class. I adored the Judgement set for Pallies back in Vanilla, but I'd hate it on my Death Knight or Mage--it just doesn't make sense. I think the Mage set for this tier looks cool, but I just don't connect to it at all. If it was a Warlock set, I think it would be great. I associate things like the Robes of Tirisfal with Mages (and that was probably my favorite set.

Furthermore, there are objective facts about what appeals to humans as a group. Complimentary colors, for instance. People also, generally, don't like muddled colors. And clean, clear lines are generally preferred to jagged ones (which is why seam placement on real clothes are so important).

Finally, people are going to like sets less the more "cluttered" they get. It shouldn't stress your eyes to look at your tier gear, which is one of the problems I have with most Hunter sets (and particularly this one).

And one last thing, though this doesn't really have a RL example to it--the focal point of WoW gear is the helm or the shoulders, but should never be both. That's just going too far, imo. If both are large and extremely detailed, then the whole set gets dragged down. But they can do really well by making one of the two the "impressive" part of the set--your eye shouldn't be drawn all over the place.

Beyond that, though, yes--the sets are subjective. The last tier of Mage gear doesn't violate any of these and I still hate it, but I'm sure others disagree. But some sets just seem to ignore these basic rules of thumb, and it makes me wonder how anyone could like them.



I agree, I personally dislike essentially every hunter set in the game, atleast the helms, but still think they suit the class. They gotta suit the class, It'd be silly to have priest gear look all demonic lol.
#26 Mar 20 2011 at 9:15 PM Rating: Good
Well, not necessarily. A demonic looking priest set would fit a shadow priest all right. It definitely wouldn't fit a holy or disc priest for sure, though.
Guys, do you really need to sub-default all of Derp's posts? Yeah he's made some stupid posts, but this one wasn't deserving of a sub-default rating at least.
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