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#177 Jun 06 2008 at 5:06 AM Rating: Default
As many people have already said, adults like playing with other adults. That being said...
I am a 24 year old single mom with 3 children, and my oldest is 6. I had a 10 year old hit on my NE resto druid (even after i told my age he persisted), made me wonder if parents care more about careers, partners, addictions, etc, than they do about their own children. If my kids could read well, i would not allow them to watch me play, for fear that they may hear (read) the word rape (and many others), and ask about it. I would probably have a pretty bad reaction if i seen any of my children act like some of the kids on WoW (and some of the other MMORPG's out there). TV is even pretty bad for the younger kids to watch, no value to it (example, Spongebob, my 6 year old thinks it is dumb), and they are upping the maturity level of PG it seems.
BUT I seriously think there are some pretty awesome "kid" players out there, and I play with some teens, given maturity level. I am still young enough to relate to teens and have a nice conversation with them. As a parent I play WoW to get some adult interaction, and to kill stuff (pent up aggression, from keeping babies from playing in the {insert dangerous or nasty place here}, arguing with a 6 year old with the basic intelligence of a 10 year old, and the fighting amongst themselves), I am trying to get away from my stress of being a parent, and having the immature kids (and adults) saying stupid crap to me and in chat annoys the crap out of me. Also there are some pretty awesome players out there that you, possibly just me, would think, because of their generation (one of my buddies is 67 years old), wouldn't be with it, that totally blow me away.
When Rome do as the Romans. If you are playing with kids your own age, act your age, if you are playing with adults, don't act like one of the bratty neighbor kids, that we all put up with. But it seems that, for the most part, the kids that are the quiet ones on the servers tend to be pretty awesome.
Adults stress about things that kids couldn't even dream about, time is a major factor for me, I had way too much time as a kid, and not enough time as an adult.
What I might consider doing is asking some one that is asking your age right away if they would consider waiting until the end of your conversation to ask again, or say mid teens. Personally, your age would not matter to me if you act mature (which, it seems you do) and knew how to play your character.
#178 Jun 06 2008 at 6:36 AM Rating: Decent
To the OP;
I think "kids' can be unfairly associated with gamers who are selfish and not respectful Most often, if you act mature, are respectful, and generally follow the rules then you will be asked to join most guild's regardless of age. I would hate to think that a good guild would miss out on a great potential guildmate just because of someone's age.
#179 Jun 06 2008 at 7:26 PM Rating: Decent
LOL I'd say because many "kids" I've played with don't seem to "get" netiquette at all. They leave groups half way through, they ninja bop items, they don't communicate, they make stupid annoying immature jokes and don't seem to give a flying fart if they wipe the group by doing something stupid.

A little bit of advice for any under-18's that DON'T do this stuff - lie about your age to get into groups (but probably not to get into guilds - they're likely to find out sooner or later LOL)

Easy.

And then... welcome to the big kid's club. It's fun in there if you know the rules, and can play the game.
#180 Jun 07 2008 at 3:05 AM Rating: Decent
This story is true, the guy is over 18 yet he falls into my definition of "Kid".

We just wiped on moroes (pretty annoying for me as I SSC happily) cos the hunter failed to keep one of the adds trapped. I'm not going to say he was wrong, I have a hunter and I know it can be difficult. What is wrong is that just before we wipe he says "Brb, going for a shower". He's then gone for enough time for all the trash to respawn. Needless to say he hardly raids with us anymore and most people avoid him. He's not a kid, but he behaved like a kid.
#181 Jun 10 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
Wow.....All I can say to this subject is wow. Ok thats not all I can say.
I am appalled by some of the reactions here. This is a game we are playing correct? Where everyone with the money to pay has the right to play?
I am a mother of 2 Teens, and a Guild Leader on my server. (274 members and growing ^.^)
I am appalled by the sheer number of...Ageists. Yea thats right, I called you Ageists!
Immaturity has nothing to do with age. If anything..It could have more to do with time of day and the phase of the moon, or even the number of drinks one has had <.< >.> LoL.

I read complaints about unfairness by gender on one thread, then unfairness by faction on another, and yet another thread of unfairness about class. Only to stumble across this one on unfairness of age.
The thing you mostly agree on (besides all the unfairness) is the maturity levels of the players, yet you continue to treat ALL /spamers /L33T speakers and /Yellers as kids, then cry about how this is the game you go to to get away from real life, to ease your stress, etc yet you want all the same normalcy as real life to permiate the game.....
Well I know there has been moments, perhaps just a fleeting moment of madness to some, when even the adults here just couldnt resist doing something immature themselves....after all why not, it can be a great stress reliever, a fantastic way to ease tension,or a great way to break the ice, or just a great laugh. I know I have.

My hubby is notorious for coming home after a rough day and going....Bonkers in Wow. Much to the amusement of most (I cant say all, because sometimes even I get annoyed by him :P) of our Guildies.

One particular time comes to mind, we were almost done clearing Sunken Temple and had reached the room with all the undead trolls. (Sorry just cant seem to remember the boss name atm) We had spent an hour+ in the instance already having decided to run it as a group of characters the right lvl for it, Pally, Priest, Druid, Mage and DPS Warrior,(3 were guildies, 2 from lfg which we invited to our guild chat channel) as apposed to having assistance from a lvl70. Well, as we looked around the room, targets marked, and the ready check given, my lovely hubby made a small noise....I groaned knowing what was coming.
You could hear the collective breath being inhaled as our guild chat went perfectly quiet.
The next few moments were complete madness, my hubby screams " Die dIE Die dIE Giv3 M3 Ur Fat l00t Troll n00b!!!1! "(not only had he throat tearingly screamed this into the Mic, but he had taken the time to macro is as well, and spammed guild chat and party chat with it) as he ran though the crowd and used his shield (yea, he was the Pally) to hit the boss, tears of laughter rolled down his face as he DI'd the priest (me)and watched as the party tried to control the madness before horribly getting stomped.
One party member threw a fit...and told me I should do a better job of choosing my guild members and who I partied with, and that next time I should boot any noob kids before inviting him, since he didn't have time to waste dieing because he had a biology test in the morning. O.O
I couldn't help but laugh myself. Here was a grown man getting a verbal spanking by a Jr High School kid.

I admit my guild is very laid back, as is my approach to the game. After all, It is a game, its supposed to be fun. Its a place to get away from your self, your troubles, your daily grind. And if you think only adults need this escape, then you do enough hiding from real life as it is.
So, Be kind...Rewind...oh wait, wrong cliche.
Just remember, dont Assume, it just makes an *** outta U and Me.

My WoW Hero? Lerrrroooooooooyyyy Jeeeenkiiiiins, and my Loving HuBbY! Keep the good times coming.
Some of the best moments in life can be found when we just relax and accept things for what they are, not as we wish they were.




#182 Jun 11 2008 at 7:07 PM Rating: Good
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I like Tyranis's answer best. I have 4 70's and 52 druid, both Horde and Ally. I solo'd all characters with minimal help, not because I'm better that way or superior, but because I don't want to wait on groups to form. I want to level. Most of the time I'll know you are a kid <18 is when you ask to kill the lvl 40 boss in the Uplands and u are only lvl 20ish.

I once handwalked a 11 year old from lvl 30 to 70 because he asked for help all the time and I felt nice to do it. When It came time for MY next level 30 to need his help, I never got responses.

I don't care how old you are. Just please do not expect that just because we are 70, we will be your personal tank of things way out of your league. Do not ask to run DM, WC, SM or any of the other instances at levels where you can't even use the drops, then hate me cause I said no.
#183 Jun 11 2008 at 9:14 PM Rating: Default
I think people playing WoW dont want to deal with kids depending on the age because they are most likely to cause a disruptance due to the immature behavior some of them have. Now not all kids playing WoW are like this but sometimes you get with the individuals that are just so annoying or whatever that you just cant stand it.
#184 Jun 13 2008 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
I had the same expiriance. My Guild dose not care about how old i am and treats everyone the same. But before this guild i tried to get into a guild, they asked me how old i am, i said 11, and they tried to kick me out of WoW for good! I think that people should get to know others better before they say no.

Edited, Jun 13th 2008 7:22pm by hadious
#185 Jun 23 2008 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
Honestly, I quit my guild because there were so many "kids" in it. I don't like the idea of swearing or talking about sex and stuff with kids in the chat, but I also DO like to talk about that stuff. It's when the immaturity is a constant presence that things go wrong. There's nothing wrong with being funny or being immature once in awhile. Everyone is okay with that when you're a reasonable and good player at other times. But with a 9 year old kid sitting in the chat, I don't even like to talk at all since I'm sure something is going to end up in the chat that I didn't really mean to type.

And seriously, this girl asks for a runthrough of Deadmines every single day. I see her talk in guild chat and I want to kick her in the teeth! So sure, being immature is fine, and being mature is also good. But if you're young don't expect to get into any serious guilds because they need reliability. I'm not saying that adults are always reliable either, but don't pretend that the adults who aren't reliable aren't getting /gkicked either.
#186 Jun 24 2008 at 5:00 AM Rating: Decent
Age vs. maturity will always be debated. I just keep in mind that immaturity is ageless. You can be 40 and be an immature, irresponsible, inconsiderate noob. I don't hate the "kids" playing WoW - my kids (14, 11) play WoW, and yes, 80% of the time I am right there, POS. Now, I can't be absolutely sure that they are behaving like humans during the 20% of time I'm not there, but they know that if the game is abused in any way by them, they will find themselves banned...by mom. (Much scarier than being banned by Blizz - they don't have to live with Blizz) My WoW experience with kids has been, for the most part, very positive. Sure, I've had some moron tell me to SHUT UP A$$ when I told him to earn his money like the rest of us, but I can't say for certain if he was 10, 15, 20, 30 or 50. I could make a sterotypical assumption, but that would be unfair to all the polite, helpful, generous teens I have encountered in the game. Frankly, most of them think it's cool someone their mom's age is playing WoW. As for the adult conversation in chat...that's what parental controls are for...the ones used by mom when she is sitting right behind you able to see your chat window.
#187 Jun 24 2008 at 5:39 AM Rating: Good
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#188 Jul 15 2008 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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A good portion of my guild is of the 'under 18' crowd. While we have to sometimes put a little pressure on some of them to watch the language, stop begging, etc, the majority of them are fun to game with, because they're mature and reasonable. (Of course, this could or could not relate to how they are IRL!) If I see a guild advertising 'adults only', I hit my recruiting macro, which advertises for 'players of ALL ages'. Some of the best players I know are 16 or 17 years old. I've always thought it unfair to exclude an entire age group because of the behavior of only a part of that age group.
#189 Jul 15 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Default
damn dude sum one in ur guild is 8 years old i feel bad 4her so young i started at age 16 and i still feel i started 2 early now im hooked.
#190 Jul 23 2008 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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To the OP:

One word of advice: Persevere.

People will be a$$hats.

Age has nothing to do with maturity.

Be the bigger person and shrug it off if someone uses ageism to keep you out of a group. They will be the ones missing out on the mature, level headed teen PERSON you seem to be. You will be missing out on people who think age maters in a virtual world and haven't bothered to give you a chance to prove them wrong.

Move along. It's not worth the trouble.

In fact.... Thank them for showing their true colors before you invested an hour(or more)of your time.

Oh yeah....enjoy those young lightning reflexes....

I have to go take my arthritis medication now.
#191 Jul 23 2008 at 11:21 AM Rating: Good
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Quote:
One word of advice: Persevere.

People will be a$$hats.

Age has nothing to do with maturity.


Agreed. Take the high road and conduct yourself intelligently and with respect for fellow players. Younger players find ways to make their age apparent; my server is inundated with Murloc movie titles and Warglaive links on a daily basis. I have a hard time believing that 20-30-40-year olds with jobs and little spare time are the ones behind those.

-Jorge
#192 Jul 28 2008 at 9:25 AM Rating: Good
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I can just tell the difference when school is out as to very late at night when in BG's.
#193 Aug 15 2008 at 5:35 AM Rating: Decent
I'm 13, and I started playing at 11.

Even though I am one myself, I really don't like other kids that constantly use 1337 speech and are generally impolite to anyone that disagrees with them.

I can only play wow in school holidays or weekends, as i have to be staying in a certain place to play it as i'm not allowed the internet on my laptop at home. This means that I will never have to go /afk to do homework or tidy my room.

Recently, I asked if anyone wanted a level 31 healer ( because I'm a level 31 paladin at the moment xD ) and I immediately got invited into a group. I had no idea who this guy was and what he needed, but I stayed as he obviously needed quite a lot of help and wasn't getting any. I didn't know why at the time, but I soon found out.

We were both advertising a group to Razorfen Kraul, and we were yelling and talking in the LFG channel too. I was talking and advertising every few minutes, to give people time to reply, but my 'friend' however, was doing it so much it would be classed as spamming. Eventually, we got one more person, and he wanted to go. But I didn't believe we'd make it through, as both the other players where -25. So we carried on advertising. My friend asked a passer by if he wanted to join (this passer by so happened to be one of my friends, but annoyed everyone once when we were in gnomeregan in a group.) As he didnt reply, my RFK friend complained in party chat that he was really annoyed that no one was replying and people were just walking away. As another passer by walked straight past, he called them a ****** over and over again and basically verbally abused them for a couple of minutes. I suggested that he be a bit nicer to people, as the way he was going he was heading for a permanent place on everyone's ignore list. Then one of our party members left as they had promised to help their friend but hadn't had time to before. Then RFK friend whined again in party chat that he was fed up of people leaving with no notice and he started putting everything in caps. By that point I was ready to leave, but before I could say anything, guess what RFK friend did?

Yep, he left with no warning.

So much for badly needing help and hating people who left groups without saying a word.

Whenever I'm in an instance with a group, if I mess up or make a huge pull because my threat is huge, I will apologise to everyone and offer to leave as I'm being a nuisance. I don't like making enemies on wow, but if they are purposely obnoxious towards me or my friends, I will happily ignore them.

This is me trying to make a point that not all kid players are immature.

Sorry for the length of the post!

(( Just an extra note: I only tell someone my age if they have proven they are NOT annoying and obnoxious and like me enough to not mind about my age. I NEVER tell anyone my age if I have only just met them. ))

Happy Warcraft! :)

Oh, and I don't know how old my RFK friend was, but whatever age I will never be in the same group as him again.

EDIT: I just realised that I am telling people my age even though I haven't even met them yet. This is an exception then xD

Edited, Aug 15th 2008 9:34am by Malikoshu
#194 Aug 18 2008 at 11:41 PM Rating: Default
Well, I'm 17, and I have never been asked my age myself, but I think what it is is most people assume jerks are immature, and to be immature you can't possibly be 20, whereas if you have ever seen a frat boy stereo type, but I digress. Mostly, it is the same reason people say women are bad drivers. They had a lot of bad experiences early on and now everyone gets it. Just like people saying all Horde are evil :)
#195 Aug 20 2008 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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My only problem is when people are obnoxious and young. They insist on voice chat and have a voice that is like nails on a chalk board. I don't get enough time to play to tolerate having to deal with being annoyed by some kid.

It has nothing to do with skill, trust me I see plenty of kids that are much better players than I am, but they get to play much more than I do... Hell I don't even have a 70 yet... :(

This, like every online game, will have cool kids and annoying ones, but the annoying ones make it so much worse for the rest. I don't discriminate and ask age or anything when I am grouping... most of my regular play mates are people I know IRL, but now and then in a random group age comes up.

I know my share of annoying and obnoxious adults just the same, but most of their voices don't quite scratch me that same way.

Edited, Aug 20th 2008 11:21am by SumDuud
#196 Aug 20 2008 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
I disagree with the most kids play alliance, my little brothers play horde and I am on an alliance character, i asked them why, when i could just help them with an alliance character, but they found horde characters look cool. so I guess most young people might play horde because of the "coolness".
#197 Aug 23 2008 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
Why do i not want to be a guild or group with kids? I had to explain to a former guild mate what a "tampon" is and why I needed to pause in the instance to go swap it out. 'nuff said.

Seriously though, I don't mind playing with young folks, but it can be a bit awkward if I thought they where an adult, I say something, well adult (not always something about sex, or with a bad word in it) and we have the perfect recipe for embarrassment and general bad stuff.

But as long as I know in advance who I am dealing with, then I can *try* to mind my mouth.
I guess what I am saying is that I play to relax, and it is hard for me to relax knowing that I need to be a good example and such like. I mean, I am stuck in the house all day witha toddler! Sometimes you want to be able to just be yourself. Adults don't want kids around so the adults can act like kids without any actual kids forcing them to be mature. :P
#198 Aug 23 2008 at 6:26 PM Rating: Decent
Mag, props to you. I am 24, married with one toddler. I agree with th points you make and I am thrilled that you find time to play!
#199 Aug 29 2008 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
I play and I am 17 and I have had this problem in the past... Although quite rarely. I think it has more to do with the whole imaturity level of it. As far as the whole speaking problem goes I have a feeling it's not normaly to big of a deal... I rather expect it. I have been guilty from time to time of poor english skills however its usualy mid boss fight and I need to say "Stop dealing damage because the boss activated Immolate." (purely demonstrational)but when I only got 2 seconds to say that and gota start running myself I end up saying "Stop DPS Immolate" and I have a feeling that I'm not the only one guilty of this. If it's a matter of intelegence, I consider myself very well informed in pollitics/world news, sciences, math, history, and liturature. (although I will admit spelling and grammar are not strong suites). My best advice to you would be to just ignore the idiots of this world and laugh to yourself (and possible guild when you find one) because they now have to spend another 10-30minutes searching for another... healer,tank or DPS
#200 Sep 04 2008 at 6:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I have no problem with younger people playing WoW.

I myself am 32. I have been in a guild with a 15 year old guild master, and he ran it fairly and justly.

I have an issue with the "kids" that act like immature little jack@$$es and generally make the game miserable for other people.

No, I will not:
Give you gold.
Run you through an instance 10 levels too high for you.
Sign your charter for "<badly spelled pop-reference here>"


Deal with it.

Anyone with half a shred of intellect and maturity knows where I'm coming from.
#201 Sep 11 2008 at 6:44 AM Rating: Good
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I agree with Tavarde.

I will be 26 shortly and have found that being around adults I am a lot more comfortable and relaxed and able to speak freely.

While not having the experience of say someone in their 40's, I have been through a lot, had several long, painful relationships, and worked a ton of different jobs.

I look to them for experience and they can relate. Also when they talk about their kids/wives I can provide relevant feedback as well.

You can't get that kind of relationship with a teenager. Just out of pure life experience, nothing more nothing less. I've met some insanely good gamers who are in their teens. But personality and compatability plays a huge roll in playing with them.
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