What things need a change?Follow

I think that the reason that HO's (heroic oppertunities) have not been worked on by SOE is because no one uses them anymore.

I too at one time had several posts up going over how to use them, how each one was formed, their effects, ect and have been a bit frustrated that no one uses them.

However they DO require a lot of co-ordination despite the fact that they at one point made it a great deal easer to do by making it so that you wont break the chain by using an ability that was not next in the chain.

I have heard several reports of groups getting destroyed because they were trying to use and HO and could not get off an ability that would have actually helped more, like a taunt or heal, because of it.

I think they should either go ahead and remove it, or try to revamp it some way.

Perhaps threw a trigerable item that can be charged with the needed spells and then activated when needed. Simply charge it with the spells and abilities in the correct order for the desired HO and then when it is needed it goes threw a casting time based on those abilities and drains the power from the people who had charged it at that time.

It would still allow the group to co-ordinate their abilites while not tying them up or locking them into a casting but would at the same time still cost them the power that would be used and some one would be spending the time to set it off.

Let me see about making that more clear

Group member one has charged the Heroic Stone with a combat art
Group member two has charged the Heroic Stone with a spell
The Heroic Stone is now charged with a Heroic Opportunity

Group member two has activated the Heroic Stone
Group member one has lost X amount of power
Group member two has lost X amount of power

Your target has been hit by the Heroic stone for the Heroic Opportunity for this effect

You can even make them one shot items, perhaps made by a few different classes, like a jewlery maker, a sage, or heck even a tinkerer [we could use some better marketable items]. Set them up so that each Tier has their own style of stone usable by that teir.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not really in favour for dropping them, I like HO's especially with my low lvl alts. They are handy and add something to my fights, just not at all at a higher level.

It's like Pagengamer says, "I think that the reason that HO's (heroic oppertunities) have not been worked on by SOE is because no one uses them anymore. ", perhaps not entirely correct but I just never had a group in which we in advance made any reference to how to use an HO.




That sounds interesting. Indeed something different based on level, the higher the more powerful.

Perhaps they can create an item that can be added to the HO's cycle, to boost the effects, something after the final trigger, a consumable perhaps.

'Bout every Fan Faire they are asked about HO's, and say something to the effect of "We'd really like to do that, it's on our list somewhere".

Even if you dont take that into consideration, HO's as they stand are, unfortunetly, a bit clunky and time consuming and take a great deal of co-ordination, even eith the changes.

Which is why I made my previous suggestion. It would allow them to be used in a more causal setting, which a fair number of people are, and would make them accessable on raids despite the situation that you have just listed.

Unfortunetly the only way for them to bring back HO's in some form is to make it easier in some way.
Sorry but thats the way it will end up being, obvioulsy given how few people actually know about HO's, and fewer who know how to USE them making it harder is not going to work

Yeah, its something that they know they need to work on because it was such a strong point for the game originaly, but likely there is not enough player call for it or they just cant get enough of an agreement on what should be done or how.

Something thats underpowered and not used dose kinda pale in comparison to some of the bugs that likely still exist in the game

The thing to complain about actually is the amount of effort requried by the group in order to gain these minimal benifits.

You actually hit on something I had nearly forgoten, that is if I am remembering correctly at all now.

If you use HO's, again if I am remembering correctly, do increase the odds of a chest drop from mob kills, as well as the odds of it being a higher quality chest. I believe that you also got a bit of extra xp for using them as well. However it has been a LONG time since I have done any research on them and a lot of changes have happened since then.

Shouldn't that be a sign of the problem though? You say yourself that few people have knowledge of it, that just doesn't sound right about a battle mechanism that was shown as quite a big deal when the game was released.

I know a lot of the HO's as I've used them since the game was released, it's only recently that I do not bother at all as it is pretty much useless.

I know perfectly how they work, they work the way I want it's just a puny result. I solo practically all the time, doing HO's just adds two more spells to use for relatively speaking nothing.

I've been using HO's for years but never really saw a difference on loot. I never heard of the claim that it would boost odds, it would seem a very odd thing to do for SOE to be honest.

New to EQII. Like what I see so far.

Then I found the crafting tables.

Rather overwhelming.

Nifty system though...I think

/em braces for the attack...

OK, I know you are all gonna disagree, but, here goes...

SoE should change a lot of things back to the way they started out.

First and foremost: Spirit shards. Bring them back! It is far too easy to use a death as a way of fast transport now. Dying should be inconvenient!

Another thing (though I'm getting used to this one...) is the quest icons above the NPC's heads. Get rid of them. We all got through this game for years without them, and if we wanted to find quests, we would actually watch for a npc with the big arm movements, or yelling out to us to get our attention. Much more fun, not to mention, realistic, that way. (I know, its a game...) Seriously, I've never seen a feather or a book floating above someones head when they want something in RL, but I have heard them go "Hey! C'mere for a sec..."

I could think of a lot more, but, I'm at work ATM...

Anyway, one last thought. What drew me to this game was the fact that it WAS difficult. If I had wanted a game to be easy, I would have played WoW...

Exctly my point. EQ2 started out as a game that offered a challenge.

If someone wanted a game that was easy, they went elsewhere.

IMHO, that is the way it still should be. Instead of people whining that the game is too hard, people here LIKED it that way.

I've been in groups where HO were activated. The only thing that bothers me is that I'm still confused as to what they do. I've read up on them through Allakhazam, but it still confuzzles me. I suppose that's the biggest reason why I don't use them myself.

De-nerf Brawlers :/

Sure they're great for soloing, which I love and often all I do on my Monk and Bruiser (I dunno which to drop! XD) but there are some group things I like to do on all my toons, for ex. the carpet quests or Bloodlines series, and it's impossible to find groups that want you.

Would be nice to maybe see brawlers take on more of a DPS role, the Bruiser at the very least, and/or make the Monk fore of the 'avoidance tank' it was supposed to be.