Runnyeye Gets a Revamp!Follow

I got sort of excited, but then I read the source material. I was thinking that there'd be some new adventures for my alts coming down the pike, but it looks like it's less a revamp and more of a new instance of RE for 75-80 folk. That's not a bad thing though, really. I mean my main can have some fun in there, but I've always disliked RE's layout and would love to take some of my level-appropriate alts into a redone version of it.

Great, now the one single zone for lvl 30-40s that is left for them to group and fight in is getting revamped for the 80 levels. The 70-80 crowd already have 95% of all the zones in the last 4 expansions, lets give them some more.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2008 1:31pm by JimmyHHH

Prone to sweeping mis-statements of exaggeration much? Sheesh!
Lets look closely at your claim, shall we?

Working backwards, the last four expansions were;
Rise of Kunark
Echoes of Faydwer
Kingdom of Sky
Desert of Flames

RoK featured a new starting zone as well as supporting zones in which to level new characters from lvl 1 up. There were also 4 major zones for lvl 65-80 characters. (So about 2/3 of the new content was for lvl 65+)

EoF also featured a new starting zone and all the supporting zones to level new characters from lvl 1 up. There were also zones for what was at that time end game (lvl 60-70) There was no lvl 70-80 content as the level cap was 70.

KoS raised the level cap from 60 to 70 and the content was mostly for higher level characters. However there was no lvl 70-80 content as the lvl cap was 70.

DoF raised the level cap from 50 to 60 and the bulk of the new content was for higher level characters. However since the level cap was 60, there was no content for lvl 60-80.

Where do you see 95% of this content as being directed at lvl 70 - lvl 80? Even if they had restructured the zone and restricted it to lvl 70 and above (which they have NOT) there are many places for you to go and group between lvl 30 and lvl 40.

So take a deep breath and try getting your facts straight before you fly off the handle next time. KK? :)

Nice that you can spin things so well... you ought to consider going after job in politics. Or becoming a defense attorney!

First of all, your original claim was that 95% of the content was for levels 70 to 80 and when I disputed that statement you adjusted your level range down to 45+ but did so without acknowledging that you had made any adjustment. You did however attempt to bolster your original claim by edging the number up to 95.5% as though claiming you had erred on the side of conservatism would make the claim more believable.

But lets look at the claim itself...


To begin with, Fallen Dynasty is an adventure pack and not an expansion but since you want to include adventure packs, how come you didn't mention Splitpaw which scaled from lvl 20 up? Oh, wait... that would have added more zones in the 20-45 range and would have adversely affected your numbers...

I dispute your numbers. I don't accept your claim of "112 zones to 5" I think it's fuzzy math. But beyond that, correct or not, it was only by including every instance and raid zone you chose to include that you could come up with those totals and therein lies the rub. Technically there may well be roughly that many total zones available in the game (actually I think there are more) but since it is unrealistic to assume that all types of content should be available to all players, you have stacked the deck and spun the data in the attempt to make your argument.

And in doing so you miss several important points. First of all, (most) lvl 1 toons don't raid! They also don't go on instance runs. So spending time creating that level of content would be wasteful (and pointless) on SOE's part. The game just doesn't need for there to be a lvl 10 raid zone. Nobody's gonna play there! No one stays level 10 for long enough to enjoy it!

Next, you completely ignore the size of the various new zones and instead lump them into a simple number count. And in doing so you are comparing apples to oranges. It's as if you believe that "The Cavern of the Crustacean" is (or should be considered) equivalent to "Greater Faydark". Surprise! It's not! Not in size, not in number of quests and not in replay value. The former is a 2X group raid with limited replay value and about a one hour duration while the latter will take you many, many hours (and many levels) to explore let alone experience.

And finally, is it really your position that we need more content in the lvl 1 to lvl 40 range? To what end? Some people complain that the lower level areas are already too thinly populated. Adding additional low level zones with every expansion would only thin the population out further.

The bottom line is that there is (in my opinion) already PLENTY of content for lower level toons and new players. I don't find the game at all unbalanced in terms of real estate and find your claim to the contrary absurd!

Oh, one more thing... Your entire initial claim was based on the mis-statement that Runnyeye was being converted to lvl 70-80 with no concession to the original level range AND that it was the ONLY zone where people could group and level between lvl 30-40. This statement is simply not true. The new instance in no way affects the original zone. And beyond that, there are lots of places for people to group in the level range.

Heck, I don't think I ever set foot in RunnyEye on my main and I had no problem getting to lvl 40 and beyond without it! Should I be able to take a lvl 30 toon there in a group? Sure! Is it my only option? Absolutely not!

And its not like this zone is coming out this month anyways...think it was GU 46 or 47 that its comin out...hah that new living legacy site is great :P

It is..? Oh ok then...haha

112 to 5 is way to big of a number...we barely have that many zones so...it wouldnt match up to the mid-level zones we have...we have quite a few but compared to high level content, of course its gonna be lower, since the expansions that progess levels need to add things FOR THAT LEVEL RANGE in order for thos people to level up...so i think you are just finiding a way to start a fight =D

Edited, Jun 6th 2008 10:12pm by Gelthidor

Yes it does. I'm looking forward to feeling cramped and claustrophobic and cursing the dungeon design all over again!

Your numbers are wrong though, there are at least 2 zones in Kunark for under 40. And one of them is three islands big, so logically can be seen as three zones, hence 5 in Kunark. (although by that reasoning, the other zones can be seen as several separate ones too, which wouldn't really alter the numbers)

Also, Darklight Woods was added too, a whole new starter city, with just one starting zone added to it.

It might seem out of proportion, and you refer to EQI as an example of how it can be done; but having recently played EQI again from zero, I can only state that most of the low level zones in EQI are just plain empty. What's the point in that?

Although a new mid lvl zone would be fun, we'll have to wait and see I suppose.