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#1 Nov 06 2007 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Shortly before I left EQ I started playing a berserker. I loved being a high end DPS class with the ability to tank when needed. If I screwed up and pulled agro I could take a hit and not have to cower like a rogue.

What I am looking for is the EQII version of the EQ Berserker. High DPS, ability to tank when needed (but not sought after as a MT) and a 2H weapon as the weapon of choice.

I tried the game when it was first released and haven't really played since. I just reactivated my account and noticed that it seems to be a completely different game. I started a Berserker and thought it was what I was looking for but I noticed the EQII Berserker seems to be more aligned with the MT role and not the DPS role.

As long as I am on the class comparison subject, could someone also give me the EQII classes comparable to the EQI Shaman and Beastlord.

I am not looking for an exact match, just something similar. I have read the class descriptions but they are a bit lacking.
#2 Nov 06 2007 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Really the only sorta tank sorta dps class in the game is the Monk/Bruiser, although they don't use 2h weapons.

I don't think and of the the scout classes use 2h weapons either, even if they did they would do more DPS with two 1h weapons. Most of the scout classes in the game can "Tank" about the same, and when I say that I mean they pretty much cower if they pull aggression.

The highest DPS tank though would probably be the Monk/Bruiser.

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#3 Nov 07 2007 at 3:27 AM Rating: Decent
Crusaders can do decent at both also. I use a SK so I can speak to this class. Their damage is almost all disease based, but if you use a good 2H weapon and get your attack speed up you can do alright. The way I see it, Warriors can take the most damage and deal the least of all fighters, Brawlers deal the most and can take the least, Crusaders are in the middle for both.

Ultimately if you are looking for a class that can "do it all" you won't find it, and if you do find it SOE will nerf it.
#4 Nov 08 2007 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
Oh, there you go, bringing class into it again.







Sorry, couldn't resist.
#5 Nov 08 2007 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
Monks do nice damage, combined with one heal and a very decent avoidance, it's quite fun to play. Biggest downside naturally is the low mit, we don't get hit often, but if we do, it can be hard. Very good for solo, invis (limited as it's linked to our power supply) and especially a good FD are two very huge bonuses.

I've tanked in Unrest, HoF, Den,... and have no problem keeping aggro (relatively anyway), it's quite doable.

#6 Nov 08 2007 at 5:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I have been doing a little more research. From what I have seen/read, a zerker who specs more towards DPS can be considered a viable DPS class. Is this true or would I just be looked at as an idiot tank who neglected his tanking ability?

I have been told to look into the assassin but I hate having to properly position myself to achieve the proper DPS. The sneak attack isn't my thing. I prefer the "I'm right here, come and get me" type of approach.

I have also been told to look into either a monk or bruiser. How similar are they to the EQI monk? How would the bruisers DPS and ability to take a hit compare to a DPS geared zerker?

Edit: To clarify a bit more, I don't want to be MT, I want to be considered higher end DPS but if it comes down to it I want to be able to stand long enough to finish off the mob when the tank bites it.

Edited, Nov 8th 2007 6:08pm by Raolan
#7 Nov 08 2007 at 5:25 PM Rating: Excellent
Raolan wrote:
How would the bruisers DPS and ability to take a hit compare to a DPS geared zerker?


Well, its a matter of style, but a bruiser can't "take a hit" like a 'zerker can. But that doesn't mean a lot considering you won't be getting hit as much as they would, even when tanking. See, Bruisers and Monks are avoidance tanks. They have high agility. The idea is that you shouldn't be hit that much in the first place, whereas the pate tanks (Guard, Zerk, Pally, SK) are mitigation tanks..getting hit a ton, but being able to withstand the blows more effectively.

Raolan wrote:
Edit: To clarify a bit more, I don't want to be MT, I want to be considered higher end DPS but if it comes down to it I want to be able to stand long enough to finish off the mob when the tank bites it.


It really sounds you should give a bruiser a shot. They are usually brought in to groups as melee DPS, but they do make good group tanks as well if you wanted to do that. If the main tank should drop in your group, you should be able to pick up the slack to give the group a chance to recover. On top that of they turn into decent solo'ers.
#8 Nov 08 2007 at 6:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Stugein wrote:
It really sounds you should give a bruiser a shot. They are usually brought in to groups as melee DPS, but they do make good group tanks as well if you wanted to do that. If the main tank should drop in your group, you should be able to pick up the slack to give the group a chance to recover.


Thats pretty much the description I was looking for. I'll give the Bruiser a shot. Thanks.

Now being a monk subclass, should I go Str>Agi>Sta or Str>Sta>Agi?
#9 Nov 11 2007 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent
Arent SK concidered to be a dmg class besides their tanking role? especially when you encounter multiple mobs?
#10 Nov 11 2007 at 5:41 AM Rating: Decent
Yes, I out-damage a ton of brawlers at my same level with a SK. SKs do a lot of disease damage and can certainly take more than a bruiser. All you have to do is check out EQ2players and look under their leaderboards for highest melee hit and you will see that all fighter classes have around the same top melee hit. This is showing the best of the best but you can assume it holds true for everyone.
#11 Nov 11 2007 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Silandar wrote:
Arent SK concidered to be a dmg class besides their tanking role? especially when you encounter multiple mobs?


The key thing I am looking for is a DPS class that can tank if needed. SKs are tanks that can DPS. 2 different things.


Heightserz wrote:
All you have to do is check out EQ2players and look under their leaderboards for highest melee hit and you will see that all fighter classes have around the same top melee hit. This is showing the best of the best but you can assume it holds true for everyone.


I checked the leader boards for both Melee and Magic. Scouts held the Melee boards and a Berserker topped the Magic boards. I assume the Berserker topping the magic boards was either a glitch that made it count as magic or a seriously nasty proc of some type as it was over 3 million. Next was a guardian at 2.95 million.

Either way I am just going to level the zerker and bruiser into the mid 20's and decide.
#12 Nov 12 2007 at 2:21 AM Rating: Decent
There is NO WAY a berserker lead everyone in Magic. I didn't mean comparing scouts to fighter classes, I meant comparing Zerkers to SKs to Brawlers, and if you do that you will see there melee damage is about the same. In reality there really is no class that can do DPS and Tank, at least not what most people consider Tanking and DPS. The truth is, if you are a fighter most other players will see you only as a tank, and if you are not a Zerker or Guardian they will see you as an inferior tank. If you are a scout you won't be able to take much damage. The game is made so that you NEED the other classes in the game. It would be the same as asking "I am looking for a class that can do melee and magic damage, heal and ward, and tank." If I were you I would decide what you like to do better, tank or damage, and choose your class accordingly.
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