Ok i have only played EQ2 since the echos came out so forgive me if this is a dumb question.
I keep getting spamed by plat sellers, and people trying to get me to buy thier crafting macros. I can deal with the spam, but is any of this crap being "sold" even legal? Is SOE actualy ok with people selling plat, or useing crafting macros? Or is this just one of those things that SOE can't stop it cuz it is virutaly imposible for anyone to get caught.
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the only way SOE endorses it is if it is on their bazaar servers, and through their system. Otherwise report them for cheats/spam and ignore them. It is one of those things that is hard to stop.
What dirges said. On non-exchange servers and not through SOE's interface, it's against the AUP. /report the account that advertises to you, /ignore them and move on.
I've recently returned to WoW and they are having the same problem. Hell people are spamming it in open chat channels.
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As the other posters have said,the best thing to do would be to /report them and then /ignore them and hopefully SOE will get to them.
These people load one timer names. /ignoring really does nothing. They usually only send you one msg from any given alias they logged on just to delete soon after. You can try to report but, they just load aliases and never use them again. Try adding spammers to your friends list, I gaurentee you will see them go offline and never come back on. Meh i never understood the big deal over a silly two line purple message on an every now and then occasion. Usually im too busy to notice i was /tell'd ;)
Guess they still don't bother me cause I come from a game where bots = the total end of your potential fun. This is not the case. o.O
Edited, Jan 23rd 2007 5:46pm by Dakkotaa
Guess they still don't bother me cause I come from a game where bots = the total end of your potential fun. This is not the case. o.O
Edited, Jan 23rd 2007 5:46pm by Dakkotaa
Yeah it’s pretty much impossible for them to do more to prevent it than they already have.
They’ve already limited the ability for people on free trial accounts to send /tells, and that’s hurt legitimate players to some degree and not entirely eliminated the spammer problem.
The way the spammers work, they use a program to send that message to as many names as they can pull up with a /who all. Sure, that account they spam from *might* get banned, if they’re sloppy and a GM is lightning quick on the investigation. However, if they are just buying the original launch keys at less than $20 a pop, all they need to do is for one person they spam to spend $20 at their site and they’ve broken even on the investment on a key that will eventually be banned.
What would really help is if they limited the mail and /tell access for people still on the free month you get from buying the game, but I think that would harm the player base more than it would help by causing a lot of players to get bitter and leave before the first month was up.
They’ve already limited the ability for people on free trial accounts to send /tells, and that’s hurt legitimate players to some degree and not entirely eliminated the spammer problem.
The way the spammers work, they use a program to send that message to as many names as they can pull up with a /who all. Sure, that account they spam from *might* get banned, if they’re sloppy and a GM is lightning quick on the investigation. However, if they are just buying the original launch keys at less than $20 a pop, all they need to do is for one person they spam to spend $20 at their site and they’ve broken even on the investment on a key that will eventually be banned.
What would really help is if they limited the mail and /tell access for people still on the free month you get from buying the game, but I think that would harm the player base more than it would help by causing a lot of players to get bitter and leave before the first month was up.
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I dont know, even tho i dont like people who BUY or SELL money in online games, its not something that really upsets me when i get an odd tell of "please visit www.xxxxxx.com for the best plat prices.
I just quickly scan over the tell, notice when it is and simply continue playing. A /tell is not the end of the world.
Sometimes however i do /report said person if im not in the middle of something.
I just quickly scan over the tell, notice when it is and simply continue playing. A /tell is not the end of the world.
Sometimes however i do /report said person if im not in the middle of something.
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As folks have previously stated -- "/Tell = No Problem / scan and go on". However, e-mails are a different matter. My guild utilizes e-mail for raid and other quest activities and to receive spells and other items ordered. So when the message pops on the screen "You have unread mail" I rush to the mail box to read or receive and it pisses me off when it is a plat sales message. There has to be some way SOE can block these messages from happening.
I was surprised at how bad it is. I play Eq1 as well and they sell plat there too but you actually have to go looking for it. I have never bought plat but I know some folks who have. I have never been offered plat in game by email or direct tell. Then I log into eq2 and bam get tells almost right away as well as atleast one mail per day. They think they are smart too and send emails like " thank you for your purchase blah blah" etc. So you feel like if you report them Sony is going to think you bought plat, they dont think about the fact that Sony can check logs and see if you did or not.
I think theres alot of plat buying because, if only a few start buying it...it can turn into everyone needing it.
X dude puts up X master spell for an unrealistic 120plat. Y person who needs this spell is a well established, working adult who can easily afford to throw less than $200 to just get his spell he wants. He pays for it and person X made 120 plat. Person X can now buy from person Z, who has over-priced gear hes had his eye on. Person Z now has 90 plat etc etc. Problem is with everyone buying plat theres sometimes no consciousness as to how high people literally price things.
X dude puts up X master spell for an unrealistic 120plat. Y person who needs this spell is a well established, working adult who can easily afford to throw less than $200 to just get his spell he wants. He pays for it and person X made 120 plat. Person X can now buy from person Z, who has over-priced gear hes had his eye on. Person Z now has 90 plat etc etc. Problem is with everyone buying plat theres sometimes no consciousness as to how high people literally price things.
In reply to the statement that SOE must be able to block the spam emails… I offer this challenge.
Tell me how they can do that without blocking legitimate mails as well and is not easily bypassed by the spammers.
Ban the $ sign? Well they could just say dollar…
Ban www? Well what if I want to send a web link to someone?
It’s easy to say “Well they should just block it!†but it’s another thing entirely to do it accurately without harming innocent players. You could wipe out all crime in the world by throwing everyone in jail regardless of guild or innocence too, but that’s hardly ideal. A system must first be designed that can, without human supervision, detect what mail is spam and what mail is valid.
The most sure fire way would be to define a threshold of letters per minute. Perhaps say that no normal player could send 5,000 letters in a minute without using the Guild address and being in a truly massive guild.
OK, so, if that defines a spammer, how do you block the transmission of the letters? Store all letters for 60 seconds so the system can determine if the threshold was broken or not, and if it is, delete the letters in storage and ban the sender?
So what happens when the spammers reduce their speed to 1,000 a minute to get around the filter? Would SOE reduce the threshold to 500? Would they then reduce their output to 50 per minute? SOE would probably have to go so low as to impact normal players before they reached a speed so slow that it make spamming worthless to the plat sellers. After all, spamming here is free. If they send just five letters per minute, all day long, they’re still blanketing the server.
It’s just not an easy issue to solve. “Well they should†doesn’t mean they can, and “They haven’t fixed it†doesn’t mean they aren’t trying.
Tell me how they can do that without blocking legitimate mails as well and is not easily bypassed by the spammers.
Ban the $ sign? Well they could just say dollar…
Ban www? Well what if I want to send a web link to someone?
It’s easy to say “Well they should just block it!†but it’s another thing entirely to do it accurately without harming innocent players. You could wipe out all crime in the world by throwing everyone in jail regardless of guild or innocence too, but that’s hardly ideal. A system must first be designed that can, without human supervision, detect what mail is spam and what mail is valid.
The most sure fire way would be to define a threshold of letters per minute. Perhaps say that no normal player could send 5,000 letters in a minute without using the Guild address and being in a truly massive guild.
OK, so, if that defines a spammer, how do you block the transmission of the letters? Store all letters for 60 seconds so the system can determine if the threshold was broken or not, and if it is, delete the letters in storage and ban the sender?
So what happens when the spammers reduce their speed to 1,000 a minute to get around the filter? Would SOE reduce the threshold to 500? Would they then reduce their output to 50 per minute? SOE would probably have to go so low as to impact normal players before they reached a speed so slow that it make spamming worthless to the plat sellers. After all, spamming here is free. If they send just five letters per minute, all day long, they’re still blanketing the server.
It’s just not an easy issue to solve. “Well they should†doesn’t mean they can, and “They haven’t fixed it†doesn’t mean they aren’t trying.
Scholar
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Ktok you make a great point while it is sometimes a pain for us as players to recieve the occasional spamm mail and more frequent /tell's it would be even worse if they tried to block them any more then they already are.
Couldnt they make it so that certain word combos, like the gold seller websites name, be prompt for immediate attention by a GM. I also dont see why they couldnt track the tells. If someone reports a tell, they should have a time stamp, and be able to check what account sent the violating tell, and ban it. Yeah it wont stop the problem, but if it costs them more money to sell it is a good thing.
I still say honestly, I'll get /tell's from guildies and im so caught up doing w/e that I oversee those half the time....
dirges the Irrelevant wrote:
Couldnt they make it so that certain word combos, like the gold seller websites name, be prompt for immediate attention by a GM. I also dont see why they couldnt track the tells. If someone reports a tell, they should have a time stamp, and be able to check what account sent the violating tell, and ban it. Yeah it wont stop the problem, but if it costs them more money to sell it is a good thing.
I've suggested somthing to that effect in my petitions and /feedbacks. They have a toggleable profanity filter that munges curse words in chat channels. I don't see why they couldn't have a toggleable spam filter that munges things like known plat selling domain names that we see over and over (vicsale, gmworker, etc.) or the *option* to have a /tell pure whitelist (the option to auto-reject tells from people not on our friend lists, for example). Something we could turn off when we are like, looking for pickup groups for example.
It's not an unsolvable problem. They have complete control over the environment and if they wanted to put for the effort, they could quash it.
I saw this same thing happen in UO over the years. And, I'll apologize up front for my peers.. as they created these farmers.. or rather EA did by endorsing out of game sales.
With that said.. the bottom line comes to this.. as long as people keep buying the money.. the plat sellers will keep selling it. Eventually, you'll see an economy as fuxed up as UO's as a result.
With that said.. the bottom line comes to this.. as long as people keep buying the money.. the plat sellers will keep selling it. Eventually, you'll see an economy as fuxed up as UO's as a result.
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