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#1 Jan 17 2007 at 8:12 PM Rating: Good
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It is because I have picked up WoW: The Burning Crusade and fallen back in love with Warcraft.

My god, that is one hell of an expansion.
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#2 Jan 17 2007 at 8:39 PM Rating: Decent
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it seems to me that this expansion renders 60 level of work and hours of playing time to uselessness to me. It should have been much better for the time they took to release it. looks like after 2 years of work, they used all their imagination to come up with a recycling of the tauren models into draeini or whatever they are called, and apparently, their origin also changed in the process :).

I feel sorry for those who worked their level 60 dungeon set and tiers set just a bit before that expansion :)
#3 Jan 17 2007 at 9:27 PM Rating: Good
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New level caps trivializing old content? Much like SOE did with DoF and then KoS? The new races both beat the hell out of the Fae. Hands down.

Dunno it made me want to play again, which is something I thought would never happen.




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#4 Jan 18 2007 at 5:04 AM Rating: Good
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I heard poor reviews as well from my 2 buds who play WoW as well actually. Anyway, everyone has diff expectations from expansions. What did you find was done well with the expansion?
#5 Jan 18 2007 at 5:13 AM Rating: Excellent
I've never played WoW myself, but the expansion got glowing reviews from a couple of pals who played.
#6 Jan 18 2007 at 5:43 AM Rating: Good
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I just forgot how great Blizzard was on implementation. The quality and polish of The Burning Crusade makes EoF look like a half finished product. The only real issues have been that of server load with new zones being so populated that they have been crashing.

I have yet to log into a lvl 60 to try out the new end game content. However the new races and starting zones are so well done that it has resparked my interest in a game that I was so burnt out on that I thought I would never go back, let alone level a new toon.
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#7 Jan 18 2007 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
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It is good to take a break for a while. You probably needed one from EQ2 as well. Have fun playing and let us know what you think of it. We will still be here when you decide to venture back over.
#8 Jan 18 2007 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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I play both games and it is nice when you start to burn out on one you have a back up MMO to reignite your fire. I bounce back and forth all the time and it helps me keep a fresh perspective on each game.
#9 Jan 18 2007 at 1:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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bodhisattva wrote:
New level caps trivializing old content? Much like SOE did with DoF and then KoS? The new races both beat the hell out of the Fae. Hands down.

Dunno it made me want to play again, which is something I thought would never happen.







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#10 Jan 18 2007 at 2:23 PM Rating: Good
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Be fair Tamat it was 2 years and 2 months, with them stating that the huge success at launch and the problems that it created set their developement schedule back 6 months.

In the end it is apples and oranges. It boils down to personal taste in what each individual will prefer. EQ2 and WoW are both great games. All I am saying is that WoW:TBC is a great expansion to a great MMO.
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#11 Jan 18 2007 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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MMO burnout is why I have Oblivion )) Always nice to get away from the hordes for a bit and always nice to come back to the crowd.

Never got into WoW. sounds like I should give it a try.
#12 Jan 19 2007 at 4:59 AM Rating: Decent
Never tried WoW to be honest. Was a UO vet since it was beta in 97, and when I finally burned out this past December, I tried everything but WoW. Basically, because I'd seen so many friends leave UO for WoW.. and then return after only a couple of months.. then go back.. and return again. Seemed like alot of Rinse and Repeat excitement to me that I really didn't want to be subjected to. *shrugs*

Anyways, I've found everything I've been looking for in a MMORPG in EQ2.. and I'm really looking forward to Vanguard. Since I limit myself to only 2 subscriptions per month, perhaps Vanguard won't pan out for me and I'll give Blizzard a whirl finally. ;)
#13 Jan 19 2007 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
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In the end it is apples and oranges. It boils down to personal taste in what each individual will prefer. EQ2 and WoW are both great games. All I am saying is that WoW:TBC is a great expansion to a great MMO.


I went to the gameshop today to order a Nintendo WII (finally giving in, took me a while to decide) and saw all the expansion packs behind the counter. I thought about it, but only for a second.

I just do not want to go back to WoW, I tried it a month or two ago, just for fun but even then I logged after only one day.

Ultimately it's like you say, both games are great (and both have their flaws) but I won't be heading back to WoW myself.

I hope you enjoy yourself in WoW and that you'll be back for more here too!
#14 Jan 19 2007 at 5:23 PM Rating: Decent
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So you all still on Shadow Council, or elsewhere? Horde or Alliance?

#15 Jan 19 2007 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
So you all still on Shadow Council, or elsewhere? Horde or Alliance?


I am on azgalor. The best chance of finding Allakhazam people on WoW is Anetheron Server. Alliance side. Look for a guild called Fifth Star. Demea, Aadyn, Nobby, Darkflame and others play there.
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#16 Jan 19 2007 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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bodhisattva wrote:
Ambrya wrote:
So you all still on Shadow Council, or elsewhere? Horde or Alliance?


I am on azgalor. The best chance of finding Allakhazam people on WoW is Anetheron Server. Alliance side. Look for a guild called Fifth Star. Demea, Aadyn, Nobby, Darkflame and others play there.


Feh! I don't pvp.

#17 Jan 19 2007 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
Ambrya wrote:
So you all still on Shadow Council, or elsewhere? Horde or Alliance?


I am on azgalor. The best chance of finding Allakhazam people on WoW is Anetheron Server. Alliance side. Look for a guild called Fifth Star. Demea, Aadyn, Nobby, Darkflame and others play there.


Feh! I don't pvp.



Well Neph, Smoggy and a few others are on SC still. You could try there but I dont know names or guilds so you'd have to ask them. Also SC is one of the servers that is extremely overpopulated (queue was sitting at 1,000 last time I looked) so unless people take advantage of the free char transfer there will be a server split which could be messy.
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#18 Jan 19 2007 at 7:34 PM Rating: Decent
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bodhisattva wrote:

Well Neph, Smoggy and a few others are on SC still. You could try there but I dont know names or guilds so you'd have to ask them. Also SC is one of the servers that is extremely overpopulated (queue was sitting at 1,000 last time I looked) so unless people take advantage of the free char transfer there will be a server split which could be messy.


Yeah, that's why I was asking if they had maybe moved. I have one toon on SC, but I'm not all that interested in playing on an overcrowded server. As it is, I'm transferring some of my toons off of Earthen Ring and Aggramar.
#19 Jan 20 2007 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I am not saying its a bad expansion to play Bod, i am sure it is fun, the new lnoob zones then ...

I remember in EQ1, after i left and gave my account SoV ERA, i came back later after the PoP Expansion and started a new character. All the old zone where i used to go still had good enough gear that i could go back there and get it while i aimed for the top. Now, the way i undestand things in wow, its not even a consideration anymore to waste time doing the quest in strat, ubrs, lbrs, scolo, etc because you just need to level a bit more or get green gears from simple quest that make the old gear looks like grey crap.

They could have scaled the gear a bit better. Whats the next expansion, 100 to all stats on random drops?

Sure tho it works to give back the spark, you get great gear whitout working at all for it, i am sure the new races starting zone gives great cookies also. But all in all, a new player starting anew on wow as just a longer grind before he can reach the top and play with the other 80% of player base that is already top level and stays in a city all day long :)

Edited, Jan 20th 2007 10:10am by PrometeusVaer
#20 Jan 20 2007 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:

Well Neph, Smoggy and a few others are on SC still. You could try there but I dont know names or guilds so you'd have to ask them. Also SC is one of the servers that is extremely overpopulated (queue was sitting at 1,000 last time I looked) so unless people take advantage of the free char transfer there will be a server split which could be messy.


Yeah, that's why I was asking if they had maybe moved. I have one toon on SC, but I'm not all that interested in playing on an overcrowded server. As it is, I'm transferring some of my toons off of Earthen Ring and Aggramar.

Neph, Mental, Smoggy, and myself still play on SC
#21 Jan 23 2007 at 9:15 PM Rating: Decent
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World of Warcraft is a fun game... However, I myself got bored of it real fast. I didnt get too many groups until I was higher level, and I like more of a choice for classes and races. I kept playing for as long as I did, because a cousin of mine, who use to pick on me for playing mmorpgs, pretty much became addicted to World of Warcraft with his army buddies. I found it kinda funny, and it kept me playing longer so I could talk with him and play the game while he was away.

I was looking forward to the BC Expansion, having hit 60 on my lock a few months ago prior to the release of BC. Now that its out, I have not bought it yet, and am not sure if I am going to anytime soon. I have stopped my subscription for the time being.

I have pre-ordered Vanguard, which looks to have some good ideas; but with many flaws and bugs right now. Thus far, after playing a few different mmorpgs in the last few years... My favorite would have to be Everquest II. I plan to start playing again, and am actually waiting for the updates right now. I still have not purchased the new Expansion for Everquest, but will probably do so this weekend.
#22 Jan 25 2007 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I haven't played WoW much for nearly a year. I bought the expansion because my son plays a lot. The Vanguard beta ended Tuesday at midnight PST, and I couldn't log into EQ2 because my server wasn't respoding, so I installed BC on my PC and started a Blood Elf hunter to see things for myself.

Darned if it didn't suck me in too.

I leveled her to 9 and made some Jewelery before some wierd temporal shift caused it to be 2:00 AM. I was up til 2:00 the night before closing down the Vanguard beta. I'm tired.
#23 Feb 06 2007 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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Sorry for the necro-post, especially one so off topic. Just felt that I had a proper reply to something stated earlier in the thread

CHIMPNOODLE wrote:
What did you find was done well with the expansion?


Simply put, the Burning Crusade was complete. Where EoF was not.

Echoes of Faydwer failed to deliver on a number of promises. SoE was forced to promise that Unrest, and other parts of the game such as the progression chain will be added at a later date through patches. Not to mention a severly buggy change to combat mechanics that was released with some rather alarming holes, such as the whole avoidance issue and SOE not revamping kos instances to new combat system. Basically SOE released an incomplete product and spends the next 2-3 patches fine tuning it.

WoW: The Burning Crusade however released with everything that was promised. It released without a single bug, other than lag due to everyone logging on at once their was not one problem on launch day. No further efforts will need to be made in order to fine tune the release. Instead further patches will be aimed at adding even more new content to the game.

I think that key paradigm shift in development is why in the end I am back with World of Warcraft and blizzard. Before Blizzard I expected buggy releases and patches that would eventually come to fix them. However blizzard came along and changed that. They have released content that is flawless for all intents and purposes on release and spent their patch development either tweaking class balance in a meaningful way or else added huge new dungeons and new content to keep players happy. I think in a post blizzard world you can't get away with the shoddy product anymore. Not when your competition is doing it better.

Edited, Feb 6th 2007 5:54pm by bodhisattva
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#24 Feb 06 2007 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Blizz knows how to polish product thats for sure. The day WoW launched everything worked perfectly, yes there were server problems due to the crushing weight of so many people playing but thats vastly different than actual game mechanics, bugs and broken quest content.


Are there any new tradeskill professions? Did Blizz enhance crafting, fill out recipe lists and increase tradeskill levels past 300?


Regarding EoF - Lots of fun content, some very cool quests and the combat changes didn't really affect my 62 Monk -> non raiding casual player here. Fixing/scaling avoidance and deflection would be nice.

The way I approach MMOGS has changed a great deal over the years. No more raiding for me and I join small cozy guilds where drama just doesn't exist. If I get 12-16 months out of EQ2 then consider me a happy customer.

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Edited, Feb 6th 2007 2:20pm by Trappin
#25 Feb 06 2007 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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Trappin wrote:
Are there any new tradeskill professions? Did Blizz enhance crafting, fill out recipe lists and increase tradeskill levels past 300?


They added jewelcrafting which is pretty much like adornments in EQ2. You have socketed items much like Diablo 2 where you can add gems to increase various attributes. You can still enchant an item as well for further buffage. They also increased caps on crafting and added a bunch of recipes all the way up.

I played through the starting area for the Draenei (one of the new classes) and I have to say it beats the Fae starting zones hands down. A clear consistent series of quests that have a progression story line wise, ending in some great gear and experience. Very smooth leveling in tune with the quests and side stuff.

The 60-70 content is huge. I myself was one of the naysayers claiming that it was too little too late. The fact that I had to wait for 2 years for it was a major turn off afterall (probably why I ended up in EQ2). However the end product is massive, fun and manages to be quite deep.
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#26 Feb 07 2007 at 6:04 AM Rating: Good
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Personally I much prefer to get new content sooner, and deal with some patching/tweaks/late additions. If I had to wait 2 years for an expansion, I'd likely have moved on as well. I was not overly disturbed with the way EoF released, and am still having an absolute blast with it. Just my opinion, nice to hear Burning Crusade is fun too.
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