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#1 Aug 02 2006 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
I have been looking at this game for about an year now and played the trial about three times, each time i love it. But i just dont like the 20fps on the setting balanced . I wanted to kno what would it take to make my computer play this images At 40 fps or higher: http://www.spelaonline.com/images/screenshots/img_390411000331.jpg
My current settings are:
AMD athalon 3400
1 gig RAM
Geforce 6600 256mb
300 wat power supply
Thanks in advance,
Unnamedstory

Edited, Aug 20th 2006 at 5:42pm EDT by Kaolian

Edited, Aug 21st 2006 at 10:06pm EDT by Kaolian
#2 Aug 03 2006 at 2:17 AM Rating: Good
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Shell out a LOT of money (read probably 4k EASY), and don't even look to a pre-built PC. Also, that pic doesn't look like it came from EQ2... i've not seen someplace like that, and those models don't seem to be from eq2 (maybe the orriginal models?)

Frankly, i'm semi-shocked you don't like getting about 20FPS on the game.. TV only runs at like 24FPS, and the human eye isn't capable of seeing like 30FPS or something (I forget the exact number but I think it was around there) so 20 is really perectly acceptable to many people. I know, different people, blah blah blah...

Anyways, this isn't a something that is basically go buy x, y, z and it'll work... but rather more of a "what you'll want but you'll need these and as much as you can afford if you can afford better." Even with this, you probably wont be able to max out everything, but it'll play very well at high settings with decent FPS (though decent varries by person like I said above)

Depending if you want an AMD or Pentium CPU either a Intel Xeon or better (Extreme Ediditon) or something like a AMD 64 FX or Opteron. Clock at least 2.5GHZ, Dual Core pref (even though EQ2 doesn't make full use of it, but for multi-tasking and such)

At LEAST 2 GIGS Ram (with 3 or 4 better, though only 2gigs can be used by any windows prog... so 3 will insure that EQ2 is making full use of ram) DDR2 or 3, with speed of of PC4200 or better (aka DDR533)

TWO (yes TWO (2)) GeForce 7900 Series with 512+ Ram (they do make 1 gig cards, so you could have 2gigs of video memory running SLI) running in a SLI Rig (aka both working at the same time) using a PCI-E interface (which is only what SLI uses)

SATA Hard Drive (Size doesn't matter, but RPMs should be above around 7k)

SLI Compatible Motherboard with room for how ever much ram you want to get (at least 2 like I said), AND compatible with the CPU you want.

Any type of media devices you want (like a DvD-Rom/Burner, which you'll want for install and it works as a CD-Rom too)

Finally, a case... with a TON of cooling and LARGE Power Supply. Probably 500+ Watt. You'll also probably want to liquid cool the case, cause that beast is going to run HOT (Liquid Cooling can easily run 1k depending on how many things you cool)


So, yea, it is going to be VERY pricy and you're looking at a whole new PC easily. You COULD update your current PC to get a slightly better frame-rate, but in the end you're going to upgrade everything but your CPU, hard drive/media devices, and case.

Getting 2gigs of ram will help you out quite a bit, though not doubling your FPS to 40 or more. Newer 512 Video Card (like a GeForce 7000+ series) will also help. Your 300W PSU probably wont be able to handly all that though (depending on what else you have in your PC) so you'll also want a new PSU probably (probably 400 will do) to make sure everyhting is getting the power it needs.
#3 Aug 03 2006 at 2:28 AM Rating: Decent
That image doesn't seem to be using any shader/texturemapping... It honestly looks worse than my Balanced does. Seems almost like its not even playin in EQ2's actual engine, rather maybe some editing engine or something from before the game was released.

Anyways I play Balanced and FRAPs gets me going about 15-35 FPS on balanced depending on what's going on. Unfortunately the game is almost impossible to run any higher than 35-40 FPS even on EXTREME PERFORMANCE... lol... sorry I had to. The game is just too stubborn to pull any higher.

With Athalon64 3800, 2 gig DDRAM2, Radeon X1300 512mb, and a 450 watt power supply (not like the supply really has to do with much but I bought one for my last rig when my stock one busted) and run (unfortunatly) on XP Media Edition. Even so I can't get past the 40 FPS ceiling. On semi-high settings on HL2 I can get to 45ish, and ~40 on FEAR with my average play settings... but alas EQ2 on Balanced can't seem to idle any higher than 25 unless I'm taking a real good look at a wall or the floor.

After playin a ton of DX9-based games, I must say they truely fowled up this game. After 50+ FPS on COD2's litterally Movie-like graphics (one of my favorite looking/feeling games) I just gotta wonder how SoE settled with what they have as an Engine after spending so much effort and time on the models, the content, the lore and the balancing. Quite a shame. Whatever, though. For now it remains one of the best looking (reguardless of how difficult it is to run) MMOs out there, so more power to them.
#4 Aug 03 2006 at 3:27 AM Rating: Good
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tzsjynx wrote:
That image doesn't seem to be using any shader/texturemapping... It honestly looks worse than my Balanced does. Seems almost like its not even playin in EQ2's actual engine, rather maybe some editing engine or something from before the game was released.


I've played the game w/o shader effects, and it doesn't look anything like that. Same for low textures (though that was in my house when doing a comparison on graphic textures) and again, didn't look like that. Also, w/o shader/texture you wouldn't have something like the "pattern" on the bricks/wooden door (well more planks in that) and the wood wouldn't have grain. I have absolutely NO idea where that came from, it looks more... "cartoony" then EQ2. Pop a couple anime chars in there and they'd feel right at home I bet. If that is indeed from EQ2 it's got to be on a testing engine of some kind, and not the game engine. I'm still of the openin* that is from EQ1 or maybe EQOA and NOT EQ2.

As for the poor engine coding for DX9, even so with a killer rig (read top of the line) you should be able to get around 30+ FPS on higher settings. You and I have a similar rig, though your's is a bit better, and I get around 25 FPS average... well when I run fraps (which is rare) on a custom profile which is just a couple steps above balanced with a couple things that would normally be on, off because they (shadows) that eat up resources quicker then quick.

* Yes I know opinion isn't spelled right, but it was a toss-back to our favorite forum troll's defining topic Smiley: lol

Edited, Aug 3rd 2006 at 4:44am EDT by Tomec
#5 Aug 03 2006 at 5:36 AM Rating: Good
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I'm still of the openin* that is from EQ1 or maybe EQOA and NOT EQ2.
I can tell you that picture can not be from eqoa. The character models are all wrong, and kerrans are still an npc race that wear a lot of feathers. The gear is all wrong, there is nothing on disk that would match the picture. Then not only is there no where in the game that can look like that, eqoa doesnt even have doors. From what I have played of eq1, I would also say it is unlikly that the picture came from there.

I would say that was an old promo picture. The scene is in EQ2, but the area has changes in the live game. The door has vertical plancking and a lions head above it, there is a weapon rack just out side the door as well. The real proof that that is not possible in game is that their is now a mail box right next to where the kerran is standing. You can see the same scene, though grittier in south qeynos, out side the lionsmane tavern in row 3 looking WNW.
#6 Aug 03 2006 at 5:58 AM Rating: Good
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dirges the Irrelevant wrote:
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I'm still of the openin* that is from EQ1 or maybe EQOA and NOT EQ2.
I can tell you that picture can not be from eqoa. The character models are all wrong, and kerrans are still an npc race that wear a lot of feathers. The gear is all wrong, there is nothing on disk that would match the picture. Then not only is there no where in the game that can look like that, eqoa doesnt even have doors. From what I have played of eq1, I would also say it is unlikly that the picture came from there.

I would say that was an old promo picture. The scene is in EQ2, but the area has changes in the live game. The door has vertical plancking and a lions head above it, there is a weapon rack just out side the door as well. The real proof that that is not possible in game is that their is now a mail box right next to where the kerran is standing. You can see the same scene, though grittier in south qeynos, out side the lionsmane tavern in row 3 looking WNW.


So it was indeed from EQ2, in a sense. I'd label that as NOT from EQ2 personally since, if like you said, it is an OLD promo picture and using an engine/graphics that din't get put in the game at all. So, if you said is true (and I have no reason to doubt though I can't get on EQ2 right now to see for myself), it is and it isn't eq2.
#7 Aug 03 2006 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
Yeah it is not a "live" eq2 picture, way too cartoony. I am also glad they didnt go that style, it is not something I would be too interested in playing. But the basic design of the buildings are the same, so if someone besides SoE did it they did a lot of work to do so, or SoE is going to try and draw in more FFers giving more anime options then the ones available now.
#8 Aug 03 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
This was the video i was looking at and wondering what would it take to play at such a smooth framerate and a nice picture .http://media.pc.ign.com/media/481/481244/vids_1.html
click on the video labeled COMBAT to see what i mean.
#9 Aug 03 2006 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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dirges the Irrelevant wrote:
or SoE is going to try and draw in more FFers giving more anime options then the ones available now.


Well, not even just FFers, but WoWers too i'd immagine. Seriously though, if I wanted to play a "cartoony" game i'd go play WoW. Or pop in a cell-shaded single player game Smiley: lol Right now though, what am I playing? It aint "cartoony" i'll tell ya that much.
#10 Aug 03 2006 at 7:11 PM Rating: Default
Ok obviously it's using Shaders (observe shadows, lol) and texturemapping (otherwise there'd be no colors) but I meant DX9 shaders/texturemapping which include lightcontrol/bump mapping, complex shadows (mostly noticeable in the fact that those characters are the same brightness on both sides of their body (facing the sun and not.)

I'm not lookin to get into an arguement on the finer points of DX9 vocabulary or proper usage, as I've never worked with 9, last time i played around with it at all was back in 2000 and it was uninstructed and quite novice.

All I'm saying is it's not unusual at all for promotional screencaptures/videos to be recreated in special programs where they can control things a lot more. This really seems to be a screenshot from a non-playable alpha phase where they have the models created but the game isn't playable yet (because really doesn't seem to be the same engine.) If one could decript and assemble all of EQ2's textures and models one could quite easily assemble this scene presented in that picture in most level design software, as well as some higher end 3d model creation software.

Again (and i know this to be true) for that video Unnamed, EQ2's promo videos are in part taken from actual gameplay, but more-less taken from a controlled program that, for all we know, may capture video frame-for-frame meaning actual computer performance no longer comes into play with the seemlessness of the video. It's rather unfortunate, but true. Regaurdless, those graphics don't seem to be any better than what I currently have running which is listed above.
#11 Aug 03 2006 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
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This was the video i was looking at and wondering what would it take to play at such a smooth framerate and a nice picture .http://media.pc.ign.com/media/481/...vids_1.html
click on the video labeled COMBAT to see what i mean.
That video appears to be on Balanced or higher, and for that you would need (in order of importance):
2GB RAM
256MB video card
3.0+ processor
#12 Aug 09 2006 at 12:09 PM Rating: Default
I've seen pictures like that before, it looks like one of the promo pics from when EQ2 was in alpha.
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