ok so my brother got EQ2 free trial and... even on minimum graphics it lags like hell... his pc can run WoW on max graphics w/ no lag though.... is this a flaw only found on the trial?
I played EQOA for about a year FFXI over a year (not qit ffxi yet probably will) and I think EQ2 is freakin awesome.. between the mass race/class selections and the fact that you look pretty cool even at lvl 1 where as FFXI you look like a **** till at least 30-50 or so(depending on job)
so yeah basically my questions are
1.)Is the lag on the free trial just because its a crappy trial? would It run smooth on the real thing?
2.)how much would a computer cost that can run EQ2 decently?
(We have 2 PCs my brothers is better and can run games however the one im typing this on now cant.. because its a slow P.O.S. with poor graphics card and stuff)
3.are the alliances like EQOA, and mean nothing except to NPCS(that will attack you) or is it like WoW... and for instance a DELF cant interact or talk to a high ELF at all?
and 4. with EQ2 i noticed theres basically 2 versions of every class? what are the differences?
like coercer vs. illusionist... these both to me seem like diff verisons of EQOAs enchanter?
guardian vs berserker... seems like 2 versions of warrior?
troubador vs dirge... seem like 2 versions of bards...
why is there 2 diff versions of every job?
I think EQ2 seems really cool so id like to know these things to see if itd be possible for me to play it O_o
Edited, Jul 30th 2006 at 1:53am EDT by Ryosorki
- Forums
- EverQuest II
- General Discussion
- Free trial....Grapics and Lag and other questions
Free trial....Grapics and Lag and other questionsFollow
Chances are if you're laggy on the island you'll be completely locked up when you hit the mainland!
EQ2 is not EQOA and it sure isn't WoW. It is the most graphically demanding game available and will melt down an average rig.
In order to play with any kind of consistancy, you will need:
3+ Ghz CPU
1 GB of ram (2 would be better but 1 will do)
128MB vid card (256MB would be better but 128 will do)
As far as classes, most sub classes (like druid or bard) offer 2 different versions of that basic model. Druids for example come in 2 flavors, wardens and furys and while wardens are defensive druids, furys are offensive druids. With bards, you can go troubador or dirge and the difference is that troubs buff the group while dirges de-buff the mobs.
There are always gray areas, furys can heal and wardens can nuke... troubs get some de-buffs and dirges get a few buffs but the general style of play is determined by which you choose.
Factions tend to mean less than in EQ but more than EQOA... and they are getting more important all the time.
EQ2 is not EQOA and it sure isn't WoW. It is the most graphically demanding game available and will melt down an average rig.
In order to play with any kind of consistancy, you will need:
3+ Ghz CPU
1 GB of ram (2 would be better but 1 will do)
128MB vid card (256MB would be better but 128 will do)
As far as classes, most sub classes (like druid or bard) offer 2 different versions of that basic model. Druids for example come in 2 flavors, wardens and furys and while wardens are defensive druids, furys are offensive druids. With bards, you can go troubador or dirge and the difference is that troubs buff the group while dirges de-buff the mobs.
There are always gray areas, furys can heal and wardens can nuke... troubs get some de-buffs and dirges get a few buffs but the general style of play is determined by which you choose.
Factions tend to mean less than in EQ but more than EQOA... and they are getting more important all the time.
OldBlueDragon wrote:
In order to play with any kind of consistancy, you will need:
3+ Ghz CPU
1 GB of ram (2 would be better but 1 will do)
128MB vid card (256MB would be better but 128 will do)
im basically... an idiot when it comes to computer hardware terms...
how much would those things cost?
im looking through the gear lists .... um
why are no min lvl reqs. or class reqs. listed to use items? is there like... no system of who can wear what? could a mage run around in breastplates and swords then? lol
why are no min lvl reqs. or class reqs. listed to use items? is there like... no system of who can wear what? could a mage run around in breastplates and swords then? lol
im watching some of the videos >_> one just said how PVP servers work errm
on non PvP servers can you still at least challenge ppl to duels?
on non PvP servers can you still at least challenge ppl to duels?
Ryosorki wrote:
im looking through the gear lists .... um
why are no min lvl reqs. or class reqs. listed to use items? is there like... no system of who can wear what? could a mage run around in breastplates and swords then? lol
why are no min lvl reqs. or class reqs. listed to use items? is there like... no system of who can wear what? could a mage run around in breastplates and swords then? lol
no, Im not sure where you're seeing this, but the same idea of all MMOs apply in EQ2. Mages can only wear cloth, brawlers and druids wear leather, scouts and shamans wear chainmail, and most fighters, plus the templar/defiler (priest) can wear plate.
Also almost all gear will have a lvl cap.
As for your second question with dueling, yes, in PVE or RP, you can challenge someone to duel.
In PVP I believe the factions are like WoW, where you can not talk to each other or group. In PVE, this limit is not there. You can group and chat and guild together, no matter your faction.
my brothers PC meets all those requirements but the isle of trial still lags... wtf?
Eq2 is a system intensive game.
Deal with it.
Deal with it.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Quote:
my brothers PC meets all those requirements but the isle of trial still lags... wtf?
Using the EQ2 Button, check your graphic settings, it may be set too high making all that lag. Adjust them until you find your sweet spot.
he tried messing with the graphics and stuff and put the graphics down so low it looked like a N64 game but it was still choppy when he moved around >.>
Well then you might be S.O.L.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Ryosorki wrote:
he tried messing with the graphics and stuff and put the graphics down so low it looked like a N64 game but it was still choppy when he moved around >.>
Try posting this in the tech support of the offical eq2 forums. You should have a forum account with them, at the same time you made your trial you shoulda been asked to make a forum handle too.
Quote:
How much would a computer cost that can run EQ2 decently?
(We have 2 PCs my brothers is better and can run games however the one im typing this on now cant.. because its a slow P.O.S. with poor graphics card and stuff)
(We have 2 PCs my brothers is better and can run games however the one im typing this on now cant.. because its a slow P.O.S. with poor graphics card and stuff)
Depends what you can afford to buy, how picky you are about graphics / effects and what you expect to do in a MMOG - raiding or mostly grouping and solo game play?
Walmart was selling Emachines desktop model #W3118 for $318 bucks and I added 1 gig of RAM from Best Buy for $96 dollars. Thats it, spent $414 bucks on the computer and EQ2 runs fine on perfomance - balanced settings and I haven't even upgraded the 410 Nvidia onboard video card yet. The #W3118 will not handle raid force group encounters (at least I don't think it will- have yet to be in a raid.
North and South Qeynos can be a bit glitchy on my comp, but my IT tech buddy who games on a $2k laptop also has some perfomance issues in those two zones as well.
Quote:
plus the templar/defiler (priest) can wear plate.
Inquisitors are the evil clerics. :)
OP: What kind of Internet connection do you have? Is anyone else sharing it on the network? Do you have a dumb hub or a router/switch? (I forget the terminology)
If you have an always on cable or DSL, have you tried re-connecting?
Ryosorki
Lag is inevitable, there are areas where just about every system feels the effect of the hugh graphic demand for EQ2, but it sounds like your system is really struggling. Two suggestions that might help things run smoother:
1) In the Options settings under the video settings (I think) find Model Detail and turn it down. Things will not look so pretty but performance should improve.
2) Same place look for Render Distance and turn it down. This will determine how far you can see (for items you can interact with) into the horizon.
There are other tweaks that you might find helpful but I would start with those two. Take notes on the settings you change so that you can make more informed adjustments in the future.
Hope that helps
Lag is inevitable, there are areas where just about every system feels the effect of the hugh graphic demand for EQ2, but it sounds like your system is really struggling. Two suggestions that might help things run smoother:
1) In the Options settings under the video settings (I think) find Model Detail and turn it down. Things will not look so pretty but performance should improve.
2) Same place look for Render Distance and turn it down. This will determine how far you can see (for items you can interact with) into the horizon.
There are other tweaks that you might find helpful but I would start with those two. Take notes on the settings you change so that you can make more informed adjustments in the future.
Hope that helps
Lydiaele wrote:
Quote:
plus the templar/defiler (priest) can wear plate.
Inquisitors are the evil clerics. :)
shurrup. I knew I was going to get one of them wrong :(
EQ2 is indeed overly graphic intensive (they did a tremendously inefficient job with DX9.) It's a gorgeous game, but performance pays the price.
First off don't ever expect to lose that ~.2 second delay in game responce, it's a natural part(flaw) of EQ2's engine. It wont really effect you, though, because the game's relatively slow-paced and easy when talking about those levels of time - hell it even turns you in the right direction for you. XD
Now if it's consistently choppy you're probobly looking at a memory problem somewhere.
If it's only really choppy when you move, turn, look at water/sky/ect then your video card either ain't up to snuff or the page file is full. If you've been playin FFXI alot, your page file will definatly have some crap in it. Easiest way to clear that is to just restart the computer and don't run any 3D programs or play any DVDs before playing EQ2. Also, make sure your card has the appropriate/updated drivers for DX9. If none of this works then your card probobly isn't DX9 compatable, and you're never gonna be able to play it on any nice graphic level. Try setting down the graphics to Very High performance and run through the Options list turning off DX handled graphics (water, sky, bloom, refract, ect.)
If it's consistently laggy even when not dealing with the 3d world (anything with your 2D GUI Interface: typing, bags, mail, inspects, ect) it's probobly your RAM. Go up close against a simple surface (wall or something immobile) and see if it's choppy to move your bags/UI around. If your ram is up to spec, make sure no other high-memory programs are running. (You can check with ctl+alt+del then go to Processes tab.) As a general rule on pretty much any computer I have any control over (minus laptops) I just turn off everything that trys to startup on it's own. WindowKey+R gets you to Run, type "MSConfig" and go to the "Startup" tab, and hit disable all. On the whole every GameRig should do this -- theres far too much crap that likes to startup on its own and eat the CRAP out of your RAM and VM.
Although I know he was trying to be helpful, I'd never buy a EMachine if you plan on having something reliable. 2 of my friends have had their Processors burnt up on CrapRig Emachines because the stock CPU Fan broke... lol... Another one's ram was no good after 2 weeks, another's main fan caused some sort of ridiculous problem, another's Floppy drive got stuck and then for some unknown reason the computer thought it should boot from there every time... These are all things that are highly handle-able at home, but for the novice computer user they're pretty much computer-killing problems - and even for the best they're extremely annoying.
Just curious, can you give specs on your brother's computer?
RAM-type, size?
Video Card brand, slot-type, memory size?
Hard drive RPMs, size?
Processor brand, type, speed?
It may be time to face the facts that you should be getting a new computer soon anyways, because with the games coming out this year runnin on DX10, EQ2s gonna be the least of your worries. Try holding out for Window's Vista cuz that computer will have to come with DX10 compatible card.
First off don't ever expect to lose that ~.2 second delay in game responce, it's a natural part(flaw) of EQ2's engine. It wont really effect you, though, because the game's relatively slow-paced and easy when talking about those levels of time - hell it even turns you in the right direction for you. XD
Now if it's consistently choppy you're probobly looking at a memory problem somewhere.
If it's only really choppy when you move, turn, look at water/sky/ect then your video card either ain't up to snuff or the page file is full. If you've been playin FFXI alot, your page file will definatly have some crap in it. Easiest way to clear that is to just restart the computer and don't run any 3D programs or play any DVDs before playing EQ2. Also, make sure your card has the appropriate/updated drivers for DX9. If none of this works then your card probobly isn't DX9 compatable, and you're never gonna be able to play it on any nice graphic level. Try setting down the graphics to Very High performance and run through the Options list turning off DX handled graphics (water, sky, bloom, refract, ect.)
If it's consistently laggy even when not dealing with the 3d world (anything with your 2D GUI Interface: typing, bags, mail, inspects, ect) it's probobly your RAM. Go up close against a simple surface (wall or something immobile) and see if it's choppy to move your bags/UI around. If your ram is up to spec, make sure no other high-memory programs are running. (You can check with ctl+alt+del then go to Processes tab.) As a general rule on pretty much any computer I have any control over (minus laptops) I just turn off everything that trys to startup on it's own. WindowKey+R gets you to Run, type "MSConfig" and go to the "Startup" tab, and hit disable all. On the whole every GameRig should do this -- theres far too much crap that likes to startup on its own and eat the CRAP out of your RAM and VM.
Although I know he was trying to be helpful, I'd never buy a EMachine if you plan on having something reliable. 2 of my friends have had their Processors burnt up on CrapRig Emachines because the stock CPU Fan broke... lol... Another one's ram was no good after 2 weeks, another's main fan caused some sort of ridiculous problem, another's Floppy drive got stuck and then for some unknown reason the computer thought it should boot from there every time... These are all things that are highly handle-able at home, but for the novice computer user they're pretty much computer-killing problems - and even for the best they're extremely annoying.
Just curious, can you give specs on your brother's computer?
RAM-type, size?
Video Card brand, slot-type, memory size?
Hard drive RPMs, size?
Processor brand, type, speed?
It may be time to face the facts that you should be getting a new computer soon anyways, because with the games coming out this year runnin on DX10, EQ2s gonna be the least of your worries. Try holding out for Window's Vista cuz that computer will have to come with DX10 compatible card.
Volstrum wrote:
1) In the Options settings under the video settings (I think) find Model Detail and turn it down. Things will not look so pretty but performance should improve.
2) Same place look for Render Distance and turn it down. This will determine how far you can see (for items you can interact with) into the horizon.
While model detail and rendering distance do have a fairly large impact on preformance, there are a couple things that have a bigger one (imo)
The biggest is Complex Shader Distance, this one little slider controlls basically EVERY advanced rendering effect (aka pretty much everything but models/enviroments... the finer details on the ground/walls are a good example) which will eat up resources quickly.
The other is Shadows. Even minimal quality enviromental shadows (and ONLY those on) will lag you to hell and back in some places. Namely places with lots of enviromental objects cluttered together (Willow Woods comes to mind off the bat) or multiple light sources (aka windows) will be bad.
Those two are really the biggest hit on preformance. Chances are if you can run WoW fine on max then your setting something WAY too high whether you know it or not, especially since I don't think the various "preformance profiles" will actually change those sliders that are directly under it (in the same catagory). I'd have to be on my PC that can run EQ2 to check though. I had (before an upgrade I bought for EQ2) a PC that can play WoW fine on max, and it couldn't play EQ2 much above "Balanced" settings. My current rig (same as the WoW one but with upgraded ram to 2gigs) only runs it a notch or two above the balanced. Though I do use a custom set-up, but it is based off of a modified... well I forget the name but it is like two above balanced leaning towards the "prettier" side of things.
tzsjynx wrote:
Just curious, can you give specs on your brother's computer?
RAM-type, size?
Video Card brand, slot-type, memory size?
Hard drive RPMs, size?
Processor brand, type, speed?
It may be time to face the facts that you should be getting a new computer soon anyways, because with the games coming out this year runnin on DX10, EQ2s gonna be the least of your worries. Try holding out for Window's Vista cuz that computer will have to come with DX10 compatible card.
Unless it is a REALLY old PC, the HDD stuff shouldn't matter that much. Now, if he was on a really old PC with something like a SCSI HDD... Though if you do have low ram then the RPMs would matter some for the amount of file swapping you'd need to do.
Something else to look at is what kind of background programs you have running. If you're keeping a ton of IM and maybe a couple web browser windows open while playing eq2 it is going to effect preformance too.
In the end, if you want a new PC to play EQ2 fairly high in settings, expect to shell out about 1k or so. Plus or minus depending on options. I know in another thread about this exact same thing (I swear, we always get so many questions about "why does my game lag" we should ask for a NEW sticky for various things to help the lag and such >_> maybe in the morning i'll do somethin like that lol) that I found a decent pre-built (which I dislike those lol, much rather build one, but that isn't for everyone and the OP said he was stupid about PCs) from like dell or something for 800 that would run it decently and included a monitor (which took off like 200 from the price I think if you didn't want it). Wouldn't run it the best, but it would have run it decent.
:( i wont have enough money for a better PC for a long time... or possibly ever but when/if i do im gonna play EQ2 .. or maybe vanguard if its out by then
Im surprised no one yet mentioned particle detail along with turning off most of the names on people. I bring particle detail ( i.e. spell effects) down to min during raids and it makes a tremendous difference. Getting rid of most of the names helps as well.
People have found that water reflections have a undue impact on performance and can cause bad stuttering. You can be inside and nowhere near oceans or rivers, even a cup of water has to process reflections.
Options --> Display --> Water --> Enviroment Cube Map updates
Try setting it to:
Fastest: One Time
Which means you get one reflection update the entire time you're near the water, so it's not constantly updating.
Options --> Display --> Water --> Enviroment Cube Map updates
Try setting it to:
Fastest: One Time
Which means you get one reflection update the entire time you're near the water, so it's not constantly updating.
Recent Visitors: 100
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (100)
- Forums
- EverQuest II
- General Discussion
- Free trial....Grapics and Lag and other questions
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC