I am an AssassinFollow

Woot! Now please stay where I can see you. :)

Weird when I did the betrayal quest on my lvl ten ( now swashie) I never left FP except when I was exiled, for the faction quest. All my faction grind, which was hella long, was done from the Common lands to EFP.

Gratz, ***!

Nice job! And again fast lol.

I've done some of the betrayal quests (for my own faction, pointless but it adds to the quest number ofcourse) and I know they aren't always that easy.

Anyway, now we're all expecting a good comparison with your new assassin. And don't end it with the news that you're going to betray back lol.

Just spent a couple plat getting skills. Lots are similar to Ranger however all range attacks have been replaced with stealth back attacks.


Also better defense and physical debuffs, better dps self buffs.


Can't wait to take him out for a spin!

When I was a ranger and in a dungeon I came out in the 2nd -4th place in dps on parser. My dps was really uneven thanks to CA timers. Sometimes I would be doing 400 dps, sometimes 150.

I took my Assassin (same level, same gear, lower combat arts) out to SoS (same dungeon). I consistently placed #1 for dps by a decent margin. Where my rangers DPS tended to fluctuate, the Assassin does steady damage each fight.

It was an immeditate noticeable improvement in DPS. Not only that but Assassins beat Rangers when it comes to AOE, DOTS and Debuffs hands down. Also once again, the issue of arrows. My ranger could go through his entire 16 slot quiver of arrows in a night. That is 16 x 99= 1584 (you could also factor in the +35 arrows every 10 minutes thanks to Salvage). If you need to buy arrows that is a lot of coin. My Assassin perhaps used 50 arrows last night tops.

Anyways glad I made the jump. If they balance Ranger out or come up with a resolution to the whole arrow thing I might betray back cause I am a goody goody at heart.

Just a warning in advance, while I agree with you, what i'm going to say is going to sound mean.


While I agree that the ammo situation is a bit bad (i'm a brig and have 1 ranged CA that uses on average 5 ammo per use with a 30second re-use, and I pull with it lately because it is harder for me to sneak around mobs, so I can feel a little of what rangers are going through) the bolded part of your quote is probably the most argued thing ever.

Every game has classes like this, it is just the way the devs made the classes. Every class has expenses, just some are more then others.

WoW: Every class has armor/weapons/repairs, food, and new spells. Hunters have arrows and food for them and their pets. MANY casting classes have reagents from vendors they have to buy to cast certain spells. Sure they could do w/o them, but they wouldn't want to really.

Every class has expenses that they need to pay to do their job (you don't want a tank running around naked do you?) in a party, just some are higher in cost then others.

FFXI: Every class has armor/weapons, spells and food. Depending on your main/sub job you'll need other things that CAN'T be bought from vendors, like Ninja powders (well ok some can) and ammo (again some can, but only to like 20ish).

Again, we have the fact that every class has expenses they have to pay, and while some are higher (Ninja and Ranger mainly) others can be quite expensive also. Mage spells are (when I was playing) some of the most expensive in the game. Whats worse, is unlike WoW and EQ2, as you get higher in level you gain a lot more dependence on players and crafters to supply you with gear and spells and such. Can't buy much from the NPCs.

EQ2: Like in WoW, every class has armor/weapons/repairs, food, spells (and boy is the eq2 spell system a doozy for spending money in with the multiple teirs of spells). Some classes (well mainly fighters/scouts) can all use ranged weapons to pull mobs with, that costs ammo. Sure none go through as quick as rangers though.

Again, you wouldn't want a tank to go in naked with app 1 taunts would you? So again, we run into the repairs and such.

My point through all of this, every class has expenses that re-occur to do their job, be it repairs, buying new spells, food, ect. Just some cost quite a bit more then others. Sure, it sucks if you play one of those classes, but you should realize that when you signed up to be a "x" that you would be paying a bit more then other classes. At least if you read about the class some... and certainly if you stuck with playing it past, say, level 20, you should realize it is going to be more expensive.

I'm not trying to deney there is a problem with the cost (since the cost for those classes who are more expensive are substationally more expensive) but the fact remains that you should realize that. You make a choice to keep playing those higher-price classes, no one is forcing you. In all the games you could just start over. In EQ2 if you're a good/evil only class (like Ranger) then go betray and you can keep your levels. In WoW you're stuck just starting over sadly. In FFXI you could just go switch jobs and be on the same char and everything.

Like I said, I admit there is problem, I just don't like people who whine about it. Even lowering the vendor cost on ammo would help, or increasing the ranger ability that gives them. Just be glad you're not in FFXI though, where you HAVE to buy ammo and such from other players towards the mid-cap levels.

you seem to have that effect on people quite often

glad you're enjoying your change over. We've been teasing Madi merclessly, asking when hes going to change. It looks like he started a brigand alt and has fallen in love. Also reading up on the boards concerning rangers, it doesnt look like the Devs are listening too well to the valid complaints the ranger community has. I dont think there are going to be any changes in the near future.

I wouldn't blame him. Brigands rock so much i'd never think of becoming a swashy. I've out-DPSed necros/conj with M1 pets before (well, just the pet... I don't think I beat the combined), w/o drawing aggro. And if I did draw aggro i'd be able to shed it instantly AND go into stealth at the same time.