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#1 Jun 28 2006 at 2:46 PM Rating: Good
I've been seeing people barking about EQII over the last few days/weeks on the other boards (mainly WoW)...and I have to admit, it's gotten me curious. I picked up two copies of EQII when it first came out, and I played for a little while and enjoyed it. Alas, the power that was (at the time) FFXI pulled me back in.

Coincidentally, today I get an email from my wife interested in reactivating either EQII or CoH...so I mentioned how I had been hearing all kinds of good buzz about EQII. So what's the deal??? I've read the sticky, and gone through a number of informative posts and sites to get as much info as I can...but I wanna know the nitty gritty stuff!

First...is it good enough to warrant purchasing the Expansion(s)? What are there, two expansions already? Am I going to regret not having them right away due to new content that makes it worth experiencing to make a final judgement call? And if so, are the expansions exclusive in content per each (meaning I would need two of each expansion for each account owned...one for me and one for my wife)?

Second...I see there is "customizable" methods for the User Interface. This makes me drool (that's half the fun in WoW!!!)! What type of script language does this use? And how modifiable is it really? I noticed that Ogaming has a similar site to wowinterface.com (eq2interface.com) and noticed a lot of familiar names from addon/interface developers. Curious...because I'm very much into the addon/interface modification portion of these games and was wondering if I could get a jump start on doing some of my own CUI's/Addons.

Lastly...has it really gotten that better? I mean, I've been reading and whatnot, and I remember what the game was like prior to leaving (very laggy, kinda group orientated, etc). I know games evolve so well when they're moving in the right direction, almost to the point where sometimes it's "wiser" to start playing about 4-6 months -after- release to give them time to tweak and work bugs out. I did like the game, loved the crafting system because of it's depth and "interactive" method. But here's the real question for this "last" part:

My wife and I have a baby due in August. I like WoW because I can casually play it (this is not a content driven question). With the updates in soloable content and whatnot in EQII, and the tweaking of the game overall...is it something that we could enjoy, as a couple playing together, without a large demand on time & stress of group play and long-term hardcore commitment?

We come from FFXI, so we know about hardcore end-game demand and time consumption with gameplay. Basically, can we hop on for an hour or two if time is a little short and still have fun and accomplish things? Of course on times we could play for hours on end we would...but I'm wondering more the "short game" and if it's worth it. Thanks in advance for replies, and I hope I'm not repeating something recently asked...I swear I read stickies & recent posts!!!
#2 Jun 28 2006 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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First...is it good enough to warrant purchasing the Expansion(s)? What are there, two expansions already? Am I going to regret not having them right away due to new content that makes it worth experiencing to make a final judgement call? And if so, are the expansions exclusive in content per each (meaning I would need two of each expansion for each account owned...one for me and one for my wife)?



The first expansion, Desert of Flame, is something you don thave to worry about until your characters hit lvl 45. Once you hit there, it is a fun expansion with some ery cool zones and dungeons. Kingdom os Skys main new zones are for the higher levels, however in this expansion they added Acheivement points. Think of these like talent points in WoW, but instead of getting one point per lvl, they level on their own. You can gains AA xp by discovering new zones, completing blue or higher quests, or by killing certain named mobs the first time. You do not start gaining these until lvl 20 and as for right now you can gain up to 50 points. Each class has their own "trees, 5 ways to go, in which you can pick what you want. You can also respec them. The content in each is worth the price IMO, and adds more depth and entertainement to the already fun game. I mean hey? Who doesnt want more zones to play around in?

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Second...I see there is "customizable" methods for the User Interface. This makes me drool (that's half the fun in WoW!!!)! What type of script language does this use? And how modifiable is it really? I noticed that Ogaming has a similar site to wowinterface.com (eq2interface.com) and noticed a lot of familiar names from addon/interface developers. Curious...because I'm very much into the addon/interface modification portion of these games and was wondering if I could get a jump start on doing some of my own CUI's/Addons.


As you know with every game there is the default UI and for each game there is a site where you can go and customize them. I honestly havent played around with different UIs for this game because Im a freak of nature and dont mind the default one. I do know there are tons of choices out there, so you can play play play to your hearts content until you find one you like. As for more details, Im sure others here can help you in this dept.
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Lastly...has it really gotten that better?

My wife and I have a baby due in August. I like WoW because I can casually play it (this is not a content driven question). With the updates in soloable content and whatnot in EQII, and the tweaking of the game overall...is it something that we could enjoy, as a couple playing together, without a large demand on time & stress of group play and long-term hardcore commitment?


Yes, it has gotten much better. When the game first came out, graphics still were gliching, the game was centered more around grouping only i.e. EQ1 and you couldnt do much on your own. Since then they have added tons of solo content, quests etc. As you and your wife will be duoing, I assume, I can personally say you can do quite a lot. My husband and I duo almsot every night and we never lack for things to do. In fact its rare that we group with anyone unless its for guild raid content. Ive been able to lvl my 69 fury and 68 monk just by duoing with little issues.

As for baby taking up time, you two can still pop on and find things to do with the minimal time. It will take longer to get to the end than a hardocre gamer obviously, but you will still notice accomplishment when you pop on. You can easily get some of the smaller quests done, or a decent part of the larger quests. Most dungeuns you could dou or grab an extra person and get through them ina n hour or two. Even a lot of the raids out there are instanced ones so there are quite a few you could pop on if you get into a raiding guild, kill a few raid targets and call it a night in 2 hours. The higher end raids do take a bit longer but thats not something you will need to worry about until you get there and decide which way you want to go.


Anyways if you have more questions feel free to ask

Edited, Jun 28th 2006 at 4:42pm EDT by DSD
#3 Jun 28 2006 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
Pretty coherent post for a WoW player!!! Oh, wait... you didn't say you played WoW... just that you heard about EQ2 on a WoW forum... but doesn't that imply that WoW players can read??? :)

Anyway, to cherry pick a few items from your post...
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Am I going to regret not having them right away due to new content that makes it worth experiencing to make a final judgement call?

You don't really need either of the expansions right away. The first, DoF (Desert of Flames) is for lvl 50-60 and the second, KoS (Kingdom of Sky) is for lvl 60-70. Even if you were going to grind through the levels, it would take you a month or so to get to 50 where you would be ready for DoF and you said you would be playing casually. Now, that being said, there are some nice features that get bolted on when you install the expansions, (like the AA system that comes with KoS), so you might want to plan on adding them as soon as you've decided to stay!
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I see there is "customizable" methods for the User Interface... What type of script language does this use? And how modifiable is it really?

The UI was designed to be completely modifiable. SOE even offers potential UI developers a free toolkit. (not sure how you get one though) Anyway, http://www.eq2interface.com/ should be able to give you enough data about what can be done to get you interested.
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My wife and I have a baby due in August... With the updates in soloable content and whatnot... is it something that we could enjoy, as a couple playing together, without a large demand on time & stress of group play and long-term hardcore commitment?

Yeah I think so. In fact, I tend to adventure in duos a lot more often than in full groups. Almost any 2 characters can form an evffective duo although your "best" pair will be healer/tank or healer/dps. My personal favorite duo is warden/ranger -or- fury/ranger since the rangers pull well, have great dps and make decent tanks while the druids heal very well and have the best dps of any of the healing classes.

If you decide to return, welcome back and have fun!
#4 Jun 28 2006 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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Pretty coherent post for a WoW player!!!


Haha, Touche!! I'm one of the rare, non-illiterate WoW players. I have my outbursts though...

OMGWTFBBQNINZA!!!11!1!1one

Well I'm downloading the updates now, so here's hopin' we can log on some time tonight. Thanks for the in-depth info, DSD & OldBlue...nice to see that the game can cater to the style of play we're interested in right now. :)
#5 Jun 28 2006 at 9:28 PM Rating: Good
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Just to add onto what was said, as far as I know the ui mods use XML like WoW. I'm not sure what kind of tool OBD is talking about, but I do know that in my eq2 install folder I have a "UI Builder" zip file. I haven't payed for anything extra besides the 3 adventure packs (even though I can't access the newest one yet) and enabled a few extra downloads in the launcher like VO packs.

DSD and OBD pretty much hit the nail on the head though, and I really don't have anything to add. When you get on, if you are restarting with new chars try getting on either Najena (think that is the spelling) Blackburrow, or Nagafen (Freeport and again ? on spelling). The 1st two are (I believe for Naj) PvE servers and Nagafen is a PvP server. All 3 are have a fair amount of alla posters. So long as you aren't on a PvP server or Blackburrow, type /join blackburrow.asylum this is the alla chat channel that is set-up. If you're on blackburrow forgo the "blackburrow." part.
#6 Jun 29 2006 at 7:45 AM Rating: Good
Well, after a not too long update of both copies yesterday evening, I got up and running and hopped on for a little while to try out a few jobs and get a feel for the game again. Seems much more polished (from what I can tell simply on the starting Isle), and smoother to boot. I haven't touched the crafting yet, only got to about level 5 with two toons before I had to turn in for the evening. I'm excited to say the least...it seems like something I can dig my teeth into and enjoy for quite some time. The combat seems very nice and fluid, even with my graphic settings on Very High Performance. Now I just have to dabble with the UI and I'll be all set!

Started on Blackburrow with a Templar this morning, and I like it very much (I've been leaning towards one of those combat/magic mix jobs, like Paladin). I'll give it a little more time this evening, see how things progress a little further, get off the starting isle and dig in a little more. If I remember correctly, I named my toon "Maverick" (how sad is that, I don't even remember for sure!)

On another note, seems the "population" over here on the Alla EQII section is much lower than all the other area's...which is interesting to say the least since the population in-game seems to be solid in the evenings. Nice to get away from the 100-posts-an-hour-without-good-content feel of the other sections though :)
#7 Jun 29 2006 at 8:32 AM Rating: Good
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Second...I see there is "customizable" methods for the User Interface. This makes me drool (that's half the fun in WoW!!!)! What type of script language does this use? And how modifiable is it really? I noticed that Ogaming has a similar site to wowinterface.com (eq2interface.com) and noticed a lot of familiar names from addon/interface developers. Curious...because I'm very much into the addon/interface modification portion of these games and was wondering if I could get a jump start on doing some of my own CUI's/Addons.




About the UI.

When they say the UI is modifiable thats exactly what they mean and no more.

You can change how the interface looks and how things already avaliable to you are displayed on the screen.

It's a much different from WoW's UI where Bliz said go ******* crazy and then put a few restrictions on it. To elaborate EQ2 will never see an enemy casting bar, CTraid, or decursive. However something like titan bar is pretty doable.
#8 Jun 29 2006 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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Started on Blackburrow
If that server doesn't work out for you, you might come check out Najena. Look me up, I can help you get started.

I'm seen in several posts here that folks are hearing EQ2 buzz at the WoW forums. I'm curious what kind of buzz that is? It must be some pretty solid posts to draw away from WoW.
#9 Jun 29 2006 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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It's all DSD, she's been stirring up a storm over on the WOW forums!
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#10 Jun 29 2006 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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It's all DSD, she's been stirring up a storm over on the WOW forums!




nod Smiley: sly
#11 Jun 29 2006 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
Actually, the one that really caught my eye was Bodhi's post. Smiley: dubious
#12 Jun 29 2006 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, the one that really caught my eye was Bodhi's post. Smiley: dubious


Quiet You!

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#13 Jun 29 2006 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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#14 Jun 29 2006 at 2:23 PM Rating: Good
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ROFL! Viva la revolution!

Anyways, this corner of the site is a bit slower then others, but that is probably changing soon with the ogaming merge thingy. We've also been getting a ton of new posters lately too.
#16 Jun 30 2006 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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dont buy any of the expansions or mission packs. 2 expansions and 3 mission packs i believe. you wont use them untill your atleast mid to high 30ish. just no point in buying it till then.
Actually if you are going to the store to buy EQ2, by the kingdom of sky expansion, it comes with the original game. Plus KoS starts the aceivement system at 20.
#17 Jun 30 2006 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
About Kingdom of Sky...oddly enough, upon installing and updating, I'm "greeted" everytime I log on with the Kingdom of Sky starting screen (I haven't purchased the Expansion, the copies of EQII I have were "preordered" at release). I'm just curious about that...?
#18 Jun 30 2006 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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try hitting the 'L' key when in game. If a window with Achievment Points pops up then you just might have KoS. Also if you can use spires in Antonica/CL.
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#19 Jun 30 2006 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
I do get a window with the "L" button, looks like a Skill Tree (kind of)...think it actually has tabs on top and says Achievements. Weird...lol
#20 Jun 30 2006 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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Ryneguy wrote:
I do get a window with the "L" button, looks like a Skill Tree (kind of)...think it actually has tabs on top and says Achievements. Weird...lol


You can always click on "My Account" it will tell you what you have activated.

IE EQ2, DOF, KOS, adventure packs etc. Always a good solid way to tell.
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#21 Jun 30 2006 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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I do get a window with the "L" button, looks like a Skill Tree (kind of)...think it actually has tabs on top and says Achievements. Weird...lol


The intro screen will be the same for all people, and the achievement screen most likely is one that everyone will see too, but you won't be getting any achievement xp after lvl 20.

Heh, best way to know for certain would be to use the spires. If you can use those, then you've got KoS installed Smiley: smile

#22 Jun 30 2006 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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Even without KoS installed you still see that splash screen and the achievment screen. The achievment screen is like a splash screen into your other skills and such.
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