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#1 Jun 27 2006 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I read the FAQ. These shouldn't be reposts. Smiley: tongue

I admit it, I'm interested. I'm getting seriously burnt out on WoW, and I need something new.

However, I definetely cannot pay for two MMOs at once, and I think it's time to make a decision. I've got a few questions about EQ2, which will probably influence whether or not I join.

Are all the classes generally accepted into groups? I played a DRK in FFXI, which was nightmarish (no pun intended) when getting into groups. Is there a class that is more solo-focused?

Is it possible to purchase and download the game online? I've heard Bodhi say something about this, and it would make my life a lot easier if I could go about it that way. Which expansions do the game come bundled with nowadays? How much is the monthly fee, and does it cost anything extra to have more than one character?

How does player housing work? Is it like FFXI, where you initially have a house that you place furniture in? Or is it more like a house that you can actually see from the outside, that's really placed into the game world? Can the size be upgraded?

Finally, what is the max level, how long (for the average player) does it take to reach it, and what is the end-game like?
#2 Jun 27 2006 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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How many classes are there, and are they all generally accepted into groups? I played a DRK in FFXI, which was nightmarish (no pun intended) when getting into groups.


I'll let someone with more knowledge comment on that.

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Is World PvP based on faction, like WoW? Or is it every man for himself?


Faction based, however there is a new third faction called Exiles.

You do a series of quests to betray your city and are exiled to haven or you can fully betray and switch sides.

The Exiles can kill anyone or be killed by anyone, the downside being that normal pvp level ranges (aka can't attack someone 9 levels below you) don't apply to exiles and they are open game for anyone. Death to all betrayers.

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Is it possible to purchase and download the game online? I've heard Bodhi say something about this, and it would make my life a lot easier if I could go about it that way. Which expansions do the game come bundled with nowadays? How much is the monthly fee, and does it cost anything extra to have more than one character?


I purchased and downloaded both the game and expansion online.

It comes with the first expansion KoS. (Kingdom of Sky)

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How does player housing work? Is it like FFXI, where you initially have a house that you place furniture in? Or is it more like a house that you can actually see from the outside, that's really placed into the game world? Can the size be upgraded?


You start off with a single room little inn room and can work your way up to gigantic 5 room mansions. (these are huge)

The houses take up space in the city, however they are instanced and mulitiple people can live in the same one, so crowding isn't a problem.

Here's some SCs to give you an idea of just how great the housing system is.
http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=homeshow&message.id=359

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What is the economic situation? Is it like WoW, where the goldsellers have control over a select few things, but those don't really matter in the long run, or is it like FFXI, where the goldsellers have a real say in how the economy is run?


Yet again I'll let someone else comment, but from what I've heard plat sellers don't affect things that much and SoE is a lot stricter on bots/sellers than Bliz.

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Finally, what is the max level, how long does it take to reach it, and what is the end-game like?


70 right now with a planned cap of 200.

No idea...
#3 Jun 27 2006 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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Are all the classes generally accepted into groups? I played a DRK in FFXI, which was nightmarish (no pun intended) when getting into groups. Is there a class that is more solo-focused?

Groups are much more flexible than in FFXI or even WoW. You have 4 healer classes that can all play role of main healer. Unlike FFXI where you were reduced to Whm or WoW where it was Priest or Resto specced Druid. Same goes with the 4 tank classes. So Tank, Healer then DPS as usual just more of a selection.

Is it possible to purchase and download the game online? I've heard Bodhi say something about this, and it would make my life a lot easier if I could go about it that way. Which expansions do the game come bundled with nowadays? How much is the monthly fee, and does it cost anything extra to have more than one character?

I would strongly recommend picking up the retail version of EQ2+Kos, since its the best deal (29.99). You can buy and download EQ2 off of Direct2Drive.com for 19.99 and then buy the expansion from SOE online store. However each expansion on the store is 29.99. So to buy EQ2 + KOS online would be 19.99 + 29.99, compared to 29.99 for both if you buy it retail.

How does player housing work? Is it like FFXI, where you initially have a house that you place furniture in? Or is it more like a house that you can actually see from the outside, that's really placed into the game world? Can the size be upgraded?

A little of both. You can see the structure from outside but you zone into it like a mooglehouse. You start off with a bachelor apartment in an inn. You can purchase houses in cities for more that have numerous rooms etc. You can deck it out in furniture, check the auction house, put things up for auction (though you can't purchase items from your house). Your house has a vault to store goods. The graphics are amazing though, light comes in through the windows and even changes angle according to the time of day.

Finally, what is the max level, how long (for the average player) does it take to reach it, and what is the end-game like?

Max lvl is 70. Originally it was 50, Desert of Flame expansion pushed it to 60 and Kingdom of Sky pushed it to 70. They have announced the third expansion will not raise level cap but instead flesh out 55-70 content further.


Hope that helps.

Edit - Oh and I picked up game on April 23 and I am now lvl 50 with my Ranger. I had some help to start but did most of it in PUG (which are much more pleasant than in WoW or FFXI) and soloing.

Edited, Jun 27th 2006 at 1:14pm EDT by bodhisattva

Edited, Jun 27th 2006 at 1:21pm EDT by bodhisattva
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#4 Jun 27 2006 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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as to answering the questions on lvl cap, right now it is lvl 70 and it looks like it will be that way for awhile. However, with the Kingdom of Sky expansion, they added acheivement points (AA) which you can start getting at lvl 20. Think of a talent tree from WoW, but instead of getting one point per lvl they lvl on their own by doing blue or higher quests, discovering new parts of zones, and killing certain named mobs the first time. As of right now the cap is 50 but in the next expansion I do believe they will be upping those. For each type of class there are 5 trees you can choose from. You can put them weherever you want and can respec if you choose to. I think the first one or two times its free, and then you start paying.

The subtle differences for each subclass within a main class (fighter, scout, mage priest) class make grouping not a problem and varied each time. Play around with a bunch of different kinds until you find the class right for you. I wouldnt worry overly much about not getting a group. Also, there are quite a few of us who chat together and play so we can always show you around and group up once you hit lvl 10.

Also, if you want a specific race but want the opposing class, you can still do that by betraying. I just finished the betrayal quest last night so I could have a Dark Elf Swashbuckler. It takes a bit of time and faction grinding, but I was able to complete it in a few hours.

Player housing depends on what you want and how you want to pay for it. You start off with a one room shabby house, but you can upgrade in different parts of the city. Right now I own a 3 room house, including an outdoor courtyard and I pay 3 gold a week for upkeep. Thats not too hard to do once you get a little higher. And yes, you can see your house from outside. Theyre more like townhouses though, unless you go for the big mansions.

When you start on the island, remember that it is just more of a wa for you to to get accustomed to the game mechanics than an intro to the actual game itself. While there arent hundreds of zones, the zones out there are HUGE and there is so much to see and do.

If you do check out the game, check out the blackburrow server unless you want PVP and look us up. Our character names are in the character listing thread. =)
#5 Jun 27 2006 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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DodoBird the Pest wrote:
Yeah, I read the FAQ. These shouldn't be reposts. Smiley: tongue

I admit it, I'm interested. I'm getting seriously burnt out on WoW, and I need something new.

However, I definetely cannot pay for two MMOs at once, and I think it's time to make a decision. I've got a few questions about EQ2, which will probably influence whether or not I join.


I feel ya there, I got burnt out on WoW awhile back and went back to FFXI... got burned out on that and tried out EQ2.

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Are all the classes generally accepted into groups? I played a DRK in FFXI, which was nightmarish (no pun intended) when getting into groups. Is there a class that is more solo-focused?


The nice thing about EQ2 is how they handle classes actually. All have a place in groups really. There are a few more group oriented then others (hard to solo) but I don't know of any more solo-oriented classes. All classes can solo, (some harder then others like I said above)

The classes are set-up into 4 arch-types, and each class can do the job of their arch-type in a party. They are:

Fighter: Tanks
Priests: Healers
Mages: Magical DPS/CC
Scouts: Melee DPS/Support*/Limited CC

*bards fall into the scout catagory and will either cripple the mob and damage it with songs while SLIGHTLY buffing the group, or help buff the group and damage the mob with meelee rather then songs (Dirge vs Troub)

All the scouts will be able to do dps decently, all the fighters can tank, all priests can heal, all mages will get magical dps... it just varries from class to class how it is done (like Monk is a "blink-tank" in a sense because they focus on avoiding hits) but each CAN do it.

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Is it possible to purchase and download the game online? I've heard Bodhi say something about this, and it would make my life a lot easier if I could go about it that way. Which expansions do the game come bundled with nowadays? How much is the monthly fee, and does it cost anything extra to have more than one character?


While you can download and buy online, I would NOT recomend it because you will end up paying MORE for the game. The reason is the online downloads don't have the second expansion, Kingdom of Sky, included in it like you can get in a store. I HIGHLY recomend getting the bundle, it is 30 bucks (vs 20 for the base game) and includes the base game. You can use this expansion as early as 10ish, but it's real good point starts at 20, and that is the achievment system. Think modified talent system.

You get 6 chars per account, or you can "upgrade" to a station account (which gives some other bonuses like other MMOs I believe) for like 21 bucks a month (vs the same pricing plan as WoW has with the whole 1 month, 3 month, 6 month, and 1year which WoW doesn't have) and get 10 chars.

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How does player housing work? Is it like FFXI, where you initially have a house that you place furniture in? Or is it more like a house that you can actually see from the outside, that's really placed into the game world? Can the size be upgraded?


The housing in game starts you out with a little 1-room inn room in which you can place furnishings and such. You can move up to a 5-room two story house as max. The entrances to housing is actually doors that are phsyically in the game world. You can get housing in places like the upper floor of a tavern and you'll actually have to go upstairs in that tavern to get into it. You do have to be in higher level guilds (yes, guilds have leveles) to get the better housing, though you can buy a 2-room w/o being in a guild, but that is the only other I know of besides the "starting" 1-room. You do have to pay rent on the rooms though, and for the 5room house this can be a sizable chunk per week. You aso get more slots to sell things on the broker (ah) with a bigger house. In order to sell on the AH now you have to place a bag/box into a slot (1 w/o housing, 2 with a 1 room, 3 with a 2 room, ect) and then place items into that. Boxes can go pretty large, like 30ish slots! Bags don't go as large, but in general you use bags for your normal carrying (they are lighter) and boxes for broker/vaults.

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Finally, what is the max level, how long (for the average player) does it take to reach it, and what is the end-game like?


Right now the max level is 70, and as for how long it will take I couldn't say because i'm only 37. There are some levels that seem to fly by (i've heard the 50-60 stretch flies by, and i've been in my 30s for maybe a week vs the 3 or so to get to them... though I did take a break from that char) and some that seem to drag on (like my 20s). I've been playing about a month and a half. However, I wouldn't call my playtime average by any stretch of the immagination. I have a LOT of time to play the game. I rarely have a high amount of "vitatlity" (think modified rested exp bonus lol) since I play so much. It does build up a lot quicker then in WoW, and I think i've even had it build up in a BIG chunk just running around not killing things. If you build up large amounts every now and then by being offline for a day or two I immagine that would really help with the leveling.
#6 Jun 27 2006 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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Hehe, I knew I wouldn't be the first with such a long post, but you should feel lucky. Getting 3 of the most active players and 1 nut who added some questions and gave a little bit of wrong questions (looking at you Lamneth)

Anyways, just to add on, there are pretty much 2 "offical alla" servers. Nagafen (or something) which is PvP on Freeport side (Vataro and Lamneth are trying to push people to that) with a guild running... and Blackburrow which is the PvE "official" server. No guild running on BB, but there is a chat channel (you can access it from ANY server, more on that in a minute) where everyone hangs out.

You can send tells to other servers, and access other server chat channels, with the following syntax:

servername.charname or servername.channelname
#7 Jun 27 2006 at 2:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Awesome, thanks for the responses.

I think I'll pick it up next time I get a chance, I'll get on Blackburrow (PvP ftw) and meet up with you.

Thanks again. Smiley: smile
#8 Jun 27 2006 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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Blackburrow is PvE, if you want PvP you need to try Nagafen.
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#9 Jun 27 2006 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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Yea join us on Nagafen, make sure and start in Freeport.

While on PvE servers everyone can interact PvP servers its like the horde/alliance and you can only kill each other.


Look up Lamneth or Thenmal (my alt) or anyone in the guild Tsujigiri when you get online.

Hope to see you soon.
#10 Jun 27 2006 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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I would recomend buying this -link-

It's $30 and comes with the KoS expansion. I was considering the free trial but this way I get 30 days with the purchase and it saved on downloading time. 7 days isn't really that much for me to really tell if I want to get into it or not.

I figure I can pay $1 a day for 30 days to try it out. If I don't like it I can just cancel it.

I've only been online like once or twice. Been busy with other things this weekend but I'll be online tonight. I'm on the blackburrow server. Join the channel /asylum and maybe we can group up and be noobs together.
#11 Jun 27 2006 at 9:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Reading comp. for the win. I'll get on Nagafen.

Anyway, I just picked up the game (opportunity came to pick it up sooner than I expected, yay) and installed it (erg, 9 discs), and am going through the account creation process. Hopefully the patching won't take too long and I'll be on before you all go to bed. Smiley: tongue
#12 Jun 27 2006 at 9:41 PM Rating: Good
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A note about PvP servers... Lamneth and I discovered earlier tonight that you can't send cross-server tells or do cross-server chat channels. So, in a sense, everyone on Nagafen is cut off from the rest of allakhazam when it comes to the in-game stuff.

Edit: Also, the patches aren't as bad as you would think considering how many changes the game has gone through. You're probably looking at maybe 3 hours or so total update so long as you aren't on dialup. Maybe 4. Not bad for 24 total Live Updates, 1 expansion (since it will only download things relating to KoS) and little fixes/changes.

Edited, Jun 27th 2006 at 10:43pm EDT by Tomec
#14 Jun 28 2006 at 1:37 AM Rating: Good
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I was wondering if SR would hit up this thread...

*plays fanfare*

Enter the resident forum troll.

So, who are you going to listen to? Him, or the other people? Smiley: lol Not to mention if he hates it so much why is he still playing? "Quit and came back" but is still playing? "Oh, well I wanted to play until the time I payed for is up." Smiley: lol

Personally, I think you need to learn to play your class and realize a couple things...

I regularly solo yellow mobs, and even some heroics (normally designed for groups) because I KNOW HOW TO PLAY my job. This includes doing quests that are yellow.

Many people set either anon or roleplaying and then forgot to un-select those before hitting the LFG flag. EITHER of these hides your level/zone. If I had 1g for every time I've seen someone with the LFG flag and RP/Anon on i'd have the fastest mount by now. Ok, maybe that is pushing it a little, but i'd have a mount for sure if I started at 0g, and I don't mean one of the guild discounted ones either.

Personally more often then I not see shouts and things in chat channels (did you even TRY the level channels when trying to form the group?) that say something like:

RoV Group seeking 2 more have healer and tank!

Or

RoV group seeking more, Healer and DPS needed


As trollish/wrong as SR is, I do have to admit he is semi-right about all the archtypes playing semi-similar. There are some MAJOR differences, but like I said before, all fighters can tank, all priests can heal, all scouts/mages can dps... There are some big differences in how they do that though, which is what adds the flavor... but as for general roles in a group... also, each archtype does get similar skills until about 20, then it diversifies a bit. This is a remnent from the old class progression system. After 20 it does change a bit, and the differences between classes cna be quite profound really.
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hmm, I didn't see SRs post as a troll attempt. I have not read any of his other posts, but as for this one: it just seemed to be somewhat of an objective opinion on the game. He said it had some flaws in mechanics, so he must have thought that.

A little constructive criticism doesn't hurt :)
#16 Jun 28 2006 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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SR is an ole hack.

He is not a troll, rather just really really not bright.
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#18 Jun 28 2006 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
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shadowrelm wrote:
i will. the "solo" content type they added that give little xp, and dismal rewards, and almost always are the "go here, kill 10 of these" type for a nice ring that would have rocked 10 levels ago.


Well I have leveled 43-50 with my ranger on solo content and I have to say that you are about as far from the truth as it gets. The rewards I am getting are great, the quests are entertaining and the solo content is challenging and great for xp.
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Anyways, just to add on, there are pretty much 2 "offical alla" servers. Nagafen (or something) which is PvP on Freeport side (Vataro and Lamneth are trying to push people to that) with a guild running... and Blackburrow which is the PvE "official" server.


I don't mean any offense, but most of the people who actively posted here before you newbs - ;) - showed up are on Najena. It seems like they're (Tutan, OBD, etc.) not posting that much lately, so, c'est la vie.
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Queen bodhisattva wrote:
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i will. the "solo" content type they added that give little xp, and dismal rewards, and almost always are the "go here, kill 10 of these" type for a nice ring that would have rocked 10 levels ago.


Well I have leveled 43-50 with my ranger on solo content and I have to say that you are about as far from the truth as it gets. The rewards I am getting are great, the quests are entertaining and the solo content is challenging and great for xp.


Ya, and the heroics mobs I can solo aren't green either (though it gets a little touch and go if they aren't, but I can)

Ok, so maybe troll isn't a good term for him, maybe like Old Crone or something would be better Smiley: lol


Anyways, I had forgotten about Najena or however you spell the server because hardly any of you post anymore lol.
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Lydiaele wrote:
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Anyways, just to add on, there are pretty much 2 "offical alla" servers. Nagafen (or something) which is PvP on Freeport side (Vataro and Lamneth are trying to push people to that) with a guild running... and Blackburrow which is the PvE "official" server.


I don't mean any offense, but most of the people who actively posted here before you newbs - ;) - showed up are on Najena. It seems like they're (Tutan, OBD, etc.) not posting that much lately, so, c'est la vie.


Aye Najena is the original allas server. Lotsof cool people there
#22 Jun 28 2006 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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Anyways, I had forgotten about Najena or however you spell the server because hardly any of you post anymore lol.

That's because you kids are so noisy, we old-timers can't get a word in edgewise! Now get off my lawn you little whippersnapper!!! :)
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Anyways, just to add on, there are pretty much 2 "offical alla" servers. Nagafen (or something) which is PvP on Freeport side (Vataro and Lamneth are trying to push people to that) with a guild running... and Blackburrow which is the PvE "official" server.


I don't mean any offense, but most of the people who actively posted here before you newbs - ;) - showed up are on Najena. It seems like they're (Tutan, OBD, etc.) not posting that much lately, so, c'est la vie.


Aye Najena is the original allas server. Lotsof cool people there

Indeed we are, but we're too old to compete with lightning fast thread-hounds! :)

EDIT: Forgot to add, I usually don't post a "Yea, what he said" post. If the question has been answered, then there's no need to re-answer it. Unless I forget. Then I...um...now what was I here for...?

Edited, Jun 29th 2006 at 1:01pm EDT by tutanbriarpaw
#25 Jun 29 2006 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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I'm soloing even level quests and making a ton of xp / cash.

I see xp groups forming all the time, though I choose to solo. Your claim that grouping or getting into a group is impossible is laughable. The cause of it probably has less to do with the game and more to do with yourself.


Edited, Jun 29th 2006 at 3:03pm EDT by bodhisattva
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#26 Jun 29 2006 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
shadowrelm wrote:
you can solo to 70 in EQ2. infact, its so difficult to get a group, you WILL solo to 70 in EQ2. mostly anyway. in a game designed for grouping. might miss 90 percent of the content, and not see most of the dungons on the way up, but you will be 70 so that proves me wrong doesnt it?

atleast with WoW, you can quest your way to the top, and not have to wait 10 levels after you get a quest to finnish it/


Yeah right, I top the quest list in my guild, I'm trying to get in the top 100 for my server. And I do this completely solo.

I've seen just about every zone and instance (good way to get achievement xp, exploration), just like I did in EQ (almost anyway, that game is just too large to have seen it all).

I have no idea where you get the insane notion that people will miss 90% of the game content, no idea whatsoever.

And yes, just like in WoW, some quests cannot be completed alone without a couple of levels higher. Heck, I had quests in WoW that I couldn't complete 20 levels later.

I have no idea what server you were on, or what you did wrong, but there isn't a quest out there that others won't want to finish too. There are always groups, always people LFG'ing, even when I log in on a US server during their night time there are always people on and looking.

(edited to correct silly mistake)

Edited, Jun 29th 2006 at 7:17pm EDT by Zieveraar
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