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#1 Jun 06 2006 at 4:09 PM Rating: Good
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Hey, I was just wondering what classes can safely solo a heroic mob (^ or ^^) like a level or 2 below them. Or even a group of heroics... I'm mainly talking about at a lower level, like maybe 25 or below.
#2 Jun 06 2006 at 4:20 PM Rating: Decent
It's rare that you can solo a double up thats one or two levels below you, they usually have to be green before you can do that, but it depends on the mob either way. I've actualy had the best time soloing with my Monk and my Swashy.

The swashy takes a little bit of strategy to get the timing down right, but once you do you can have them stunned/immobilized a large part of the time. With the monk I pretty much just go all freaking out and he can sometimes solo easier blue heroics.
#3 Jun 06 2006 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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TheDakster, Eater of Souls wrote:
It's rare that you can solo a double up thats one or two levels below you, they usually have to be green before you can do that, but it depends on the mob either way.


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Even on my monk, I have a har dtime soloin heroics unless they are green to me, and even then it can be touch and go. Heroics are made specifically group encounters. They are made tougher in order to create the need for teamwork. You do not necessarily need a full group to beat them, but soloing them is not something I would recomend. Hence why there is an abundance of both heroic and solo mobs out there.

While you can solo very well in the game, EQ2 still tries to promote grouping in order to get you more active in the community. Its why many of the quests can be heroic based. You do not need to do those if you prefer to solo, and you dont necessarily miss out, but the rewards for heroics quests are usually a touch better as an incentive to get out and get to know the people of Norrath.
#4 Jun 06 2006 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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Ya, I had kind of figured that it was rare... ironically enough though I was just about to roll a Monk and try out Monk. I'm still messing around with chars seeing which I really like, although I do have a "main" i'm going to more actively level (that being m Wiz atm) so I guess I wont change that plan lol.

Edit: Just changed something minor lol

Edited, Tue Jun 6 17:50:02 2006 by Tomec
#5 Jun 06 2006 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I have been told Rangers can solo blue heroics, however it costs more money then its worth and takes forever by doing a crappy kite and arrow job.

I have also heard of Warlocks actually soloing yellow heroics with root/nuke, but its VERy risky.

Far as solo green heroics MY paladin does a great job, especially if they are undead. I just cast ward before the battle, wait about 3 seconds for mana to max out again, then I have at it. Takes forever but unless its a caster or just underconned I generally win.
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#6 Jun 06 2006 at 7:04 PM Rating: Good
fronglo postulated:
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I have been told Rangers can solo blue heroics...

Rangers can.
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...however it costs more money then its worth and takes forever by doing a crappy kite and arrow job.

Arrows are free so the cost is not an issue, and taking a little extra time to bring down a group target doesn't seem like such an unfair exchange to me. And personally, I kite rather well... maybe you're just jealous...
#7 Jun 06 2006 at 11:04 PM Rating: Good
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Best I ever got to solo was a blue^^^ harpy in DoF. If I had any other adds, I'd be dead.

Keep in mind that the higher you get in tiers, the more abilities the mobs have. AE attacks, special mitigation, immunities, healing, etc.
#8 Jun 07 2006 at 4:21 AM Rating: Good
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OldBlueDragon wrote:

Arrows are free so the cost is not an issue, and taking a little extra time to bring down a group target doesn't seem like such an unfair exchange to me. And personally, I kite rather well... maybe you're just jealous...


Does ranger get a summon arrow ability? I know while I was playing around with new jobs I got a summon food/water ability on one... sucked compared to the bought stuff but in a pinch...

Edit: also, on the subject of soloing heroics...

So most classes can pretty much solo 1 or 2 GREEN heroics so long as they aren't too tough (read ^^ or ^^^) and such? Normally I was staying away from even green heroics (well before I decided to play around with my wizard tonight) since I figured heroic=death solo, unless you are like 10 levels above him.

Edited, Wed Jun 7 05:24:05 2006 by Tomec
#9 Jun 07 2006 at 5:45 AM Rating: Decent
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So most classes can pretty much solo 1 or 2 GREEN heroics so long as they aren't too tough (read ^^ or ^^^) and such? Normally I was staying away from even green heroics (well before I decided to play around with my wizard tonight) since I figured heroic=death solo, unless you are like 10 levels above him.


In theory, all heroics can be soloed when they are still green.
I've only had one or two named ones that beat me even if I was ten levels higher. I was able to defeat them when I was 11 levels higher though (apart from Everling, that one is really tough), for instance Varsoon.

With a little bit of luck, I have defeated a group of heroics that were blue, arrows down for all apart from one who had two arrows up, with my monk. (edited to add: feign death is a lifesaver, very handy to take down tougher groups)

But in general my reasoning is simple: normal heroics, I wait till I'm 4/5 levels higher. When they are two arrows up, I wait till I'm 7 levels higher. When they are three arrows up, I wait till I'm 9 levels higher.

For named heroic mobs with three arrows up, I'll wait till I'm 10 levels up.

Ofcourse, it can happen that I defeat a heroic mob with ease and the next time it kills me. Luck can be a big factor too, especially at a higher level when mobs have more abilities and I have more procs too.

Heck, even epics can be soloed. Windstalker Rumbler is the only epic I've fought alone so far though, need a couple more to finish some quests but I'll need some more levels first.


Edited, Wed Jun 7 06:54:00 2006 by Zieveraar
#10 Jun 07 2006 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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I can solo very green ^^^ heroics but it takes a long time. I only do it for quests. They can't kill me as long as I have power but it takes me so long to get them down, running out of power is an issue. Blue ^^^ or higher are out of my league.

I don't see a lot of ^^ MoB's. They tend to come in groups, which are certain death.

I've been able to get yellow ^ if the come alone and they're undead or melee type MoB's.

If you're looking to solo heroics to get better experience gain I would consider the amount of time it takes to kill them and the number of deaths you have to endure. You'll probably get more experience in the same amount of time going after solo MoB's near your level.

Regardless of what we can accomplish now, they keep changing the game because SOE really doesn't want anyone soloing heroics anywhere near their level. Summoners are getting nerfed and everyone is getting nerfs to their crowd control abilities in the near future (someone mentioned stun locking, which will be a thing of the past). If you can ever solo these guys consider yourself lucky and look for it to change.
#11 Jun 07 2006 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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Does ranger get a summon arrow ability?

Yup. First version comes in the early 20s (lvl 22 I think), with an upgrade somewhere in the 30s. My ranger is barely over 40 so I haven't seen another upgrade yet but it wouldn't surprise me!
#12 Jun 07 2006 at 2:07 PM Rating: Decent
Monks are quite strong at soloing Heroics, but as noted it can still be pretty touch and go - especially given that, since Monks are avoidance-based, in a tough fight it can often come down to simple luck whether or not you scrape by or if the mob ends up killing you.

The two primary methods;

Versus Solo Heroics: Beat them down. Just go all out and pray, mostly. Unfortunately there's not really a lot you can do here to make a difference. I can sometimes solo blue Heroics that are close to green, but it's usually quite touch and go as to whether or not I finish the battle with any HP or not. Green heroic mobs are tough but usually quite beatable if you go in with full HP and power.

Versus Group Heroics: One of the more enjoyable parts of being a monk, I can actually solo Blue Heroic groups (and sometimes even White Heroic Groups, although this is very touchy), albeit often very, VERY slowly - and Monks are rather weak in the AE department. How? The patented "assassinate!" method.

Step 1) Target a mob (usually the weakest one, or a healer - something you can plow through and drop quick).
Step 2) Beat down the mob. Blow all your cooldowns if you have to - your job is to drop this sucker fast.
Step 3) Feign Death. Wait for your HP and Power to regenerate while the mobs stand around looking stupid, stand up and beat down another member of the group.
Step 4) Repeat until the group is dead.

This can be obviously modified - for really big groups, killing two or three before feigning - but it's very, very effective. Sometimes you'll run into a streak of Feign failures that may spell death, but in general it works out quite nicely. For smaller (say, three-mob) groups the incoming damage they do will drop noticeably after the first mob is dead, so after that it's not too difficult.
#13 Jun 07 2006 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for all the replies... as for if I was wanting to solo them for better exp, I gues I forgot to mention that the reason I was asking is because every now and then I run into things where a quest isn't marked as heroic at all, yet all I can find for the mobs needed to complete said quest are pretty much heroic. There are normally a SMALL amount of non mixed in, but it still gets pretty touch and go at times and when it is like a mix of 90% heroic and 10% non it gets old QUICK.

My favorite so far has been a dynamic spawn event to pop mobs for this quest (not heroic) that ALWAYS popped 4 heroics for me.
#14 Jun 12 2006 at 4:40 AM Rating: Default
i would say paladin is the best job for soloing i mean you can heal/ do dmg / ward and all that junk. It also depends on what armor you are carrying and what tier spells like if you got top armor for level and master spells you should solo easy if you have a stratigic plan. Also no don;t buy masters till 40. Another job i would consider is a swashy or summoner they are another top soloers but they take alot of skill and alot of time to get down
#15 Jun 27 2006 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
I have been able to solo single mob triple up blue with my conj. tank pet. It takes work and some strategy, but it can be done. Granted, I didn't do it often unless I had to and was not able to find help with a quest, etc. Single ups are usually no problem as long as there are no adds. Keep in mind, my pets are all Adept III which can make a big difference. I can do triple up greens with no adds with less effort than blues, obviously.

Necros are also another great solo class with probably more DPS ability than conj. and they get a nifty FD ability too. So if something goes bad, you can always play dead.
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