Grr Paladin is a tank!Follow

I really get so sick of the attitude of higher level people sometimes. Anyways I started a group last night. I am a 57 paladin. I invited a 59 wizard, 54 templar, 52 necro, 55 conjuror, and a 55 warlock. We all decided to go to POF fight through cyclops and do the Tables instance. For anybody who doesn't know Tables is a instance with lvl 59 to 61 lvl mobs and lvl 62 named. Also the normal mobs are grouped as pairs of ^^^, so they are really abit more powerful then your average heroic encounter.

After we get a full group the 52 necro sends me a tell saying you should have invited a tank. I told him I am a tank. He then responds with something like "Well yea but a guardian would be better."

For starters I was the only tank even LFG, and where do people get off with these attitudes? If a paladin is not a tank what is it?? Im sure not a DPS and im sure not a healer? I guess people think a paladin should just be a space filler if there is nobody else lfg? I get so sick of people thinking the only class that can tank is a Guardian. Also when is the last time a Guardian saved anybody with a 2000hp emergency heal, 950 hp ward, or 650 AE heal? When is the last time a Guardian was able to give a group member a 100% rez? Every class has its ups and downs.

Anyways group went through cyclops and we did Table just fine. The only death we had was when we had 4 lvl 61 ^^^ spiders and I doubt a guardian could have done much better. Had no problem tanking lvl 62 named in tables and we did it with 1 healer (yes thats right you don't need to have 2 healers in a group people!).

Thats another thing that ticks me off is people who refuse to group unless they are in a group with 2 healers. You don't need 2 healers in a group if your tank has any clue how to play his/her class. Its hard enough sometimes to find 1 healer, let alone 2.

Anyways wanted to rant abit. This game would be alot more enjoyable if people would quit being so blasted picky. I mean worst case what is going to happen if you get a bad group? Going to die a few times gain debt that will be gone by morning, and spend a few gold on repairs....big deal. Its better then sitting aroudn gaining .10% exp killing solo mobs.

That is what is great about this game... The variety of classes that fill different roles.

When I make a group, I usually look for a Guardian, Paladin, or Berzerker as a MT. I will however take a monk, or bruiser as a MT if none other is lfg.

Now just say all classes are lfg, I would take a Paladin or Guardian for a MT, without favor to either, as long as I get one of them.

I dont see why people would hate on them. In Everquest 2, with the many classes there is, and several different grades of mobs to fight, you can customize a group however, and still go out and get some xp. I love this game!

Edited, Sun Apr 30 16:31:20 2006 by Pjstock

A while back I was MH in a Rivervale group with 2 tanks, a guardian and a pally. They alternated pulls with the "idle" tank running out to get a fresh mob as soon as the current mob's health was down around 20-30%. This gave us us an unending stream of mobs that would only stop when someone called LOM.

And to tell you the truth, I couldn't see any difference between them! Both of these guys really knew their stuff and the group rocked! In fact, the pally would often toss a heal that would land a tic before mine so I was never the least bit worried that I might lose anyone... it was like having another healer watching my back!

Bottom line is IMHO, Pallys make great tanks! You were just stuck with a group of narrow minded fools! I agree with the poster above who said it was an opportunity to show them how good pallys really are!

Hehe...lets just say pallies can live longer than guardians in some cases due to the group heals they get. Paladins can really save lives with their heals and rezzes.

Yea I think both PAladin and Shadowknights don't get noticed for osme of their special abilities. I can't count how many times I have thrown group AE heals, lay of hands, etc to save somebody and then you see "Great healing (insert healers name)!"

I figure Shadowknights are in the same boat Paladins are on it though, not to leave them out :p

As a healer on both EQ and EQ2, and a tank on EQOA, I must say that it isn't the class i.e. pally, sk. guardian, or whatever, that makes the group go well or bad. It is the WAY that toon is PLAYED. Sure, a guardian may have more ac or hp or whatever, but if I'm on a healer and I'm grouped with a pally, I pretty well know not much can go wrong if he knows his job. On the other hand, if a guardian runs in intending to grab one mob or encounter and ends up with 6 major heroic encounters on his tail, I vote nay on the guard. And to tell the truth, I know of a certain swashy who can out-tank a guard any day because of her skill.

As a Templar I actually like having a pally in the group or tanking. They tend to save my life on occasion when I am mezzing the adds and they attack me. The guardian may be able to taunt it off of me but the pally can heal me so I dont have to waste my power or time healing myself.

I think this is the same idiot that was shooting his mouth off in the fighter forumns a while ago, thought I had thourghly put him in his place about the Guardian Vs. Pally stuff, but I guess he diddn't listen.

Ironchin level 49 Guardian Najena server!

5,324 HP self buffed, and not sure on exact mitigation, but its very good also!

Now, Guardian's are the most pure tank class in Everquest II, end of story. In Terms of there combat arts and attributes. They are not the "Best", nor is a paladin, Shadowknight or berzerker.

All the plate classes are equal, depending upon the player playing them, and the equipment there equiped with. When I had first made my Guardian, I was under the impression they were the best, especially end game.

As I reached the higher levels on my necro, I saw there was really no difference in the plate tanks, if the person playing them was good, and equiped well.

I have grown bored of my guardian to be honest. I enjoy tanking, however I find guardians a bit plain. I would have enjoyed a SK alot more I think... If only I could convert my Guardian into a SK the same level, with the same gear?!

Don't confuse a class thing with an armor thing. Of course your gonna have more mitigation and HP if you have tricked out armor, but it doesn't matter that you're a friggan pally! With a guardians combat arts and buffs, master skilled with the armor you are talking about, I'd be willing to bet their miti and HP is higher then yours.


I'm not bashing pally's at all, I played one to about 40 and loved it, all I'm saying is Guardians ain't the gimped tank numbnuts here is trying to say they are.




Undisputer of course, couldn't call you an idiot, you're a regular that always knows what he's talking about lol. I only do that to the ignorant WoW scum that like to plague our forumn every now and again. BTW if any of you have ever noticed, I hate ignorance more then anything else, thats why I go off sometimes lol.