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I am a new to EQ2....kinda and i just wanna say that for the 10 days i played my wood elf it was fun lol got to lvl 20 in 10 days (played casual) got my self pristine imbued vangaurd armor (dont see why that matters) but just to get peoples opinion should i use a weapon and a shield,a 2 hander,or 2 dual wield weapons
As a paladin I hardly ever use a 2h weapon. Right now I am useing a imbued steel 1h sword and it actually has a higher damage rateing then the 2h swords I see for sale. OF course I am sure the t3 rare 2h swords would be higher, but still. I would much rather have the extra stun and mitigation with a shield.
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I have a 23 iksar guardian and i am wondering which to use too. Should i use a shield, since guardians are the defencive type or should i stay with the 2h?
Jarwold 54 Sk (EQ1)
Jarwold 23 Gd (EQ2)
Jarwold 54 Sk (EQ1)
Jarwold 23 Gd (EQ2)
You guys should read the thread directly under this one 
a rant about not using a shield lol NIIIIIIIIIIIICE! :P
Don't bother reading that thread. Almost all of the posts are from people who don't play tanks, and therefore know nothing about it. I play a guardian and I can tell you that your biggest problem will be holding aggro with a guardian. It's not impossible but it is more difficult than with some other classes. This is because guardians don't do jack for damage. Yes, you should own a shield, but unless you are getting your *** kicked, aka tanking something way above your level, there is no need for you to use it. Your midigation blows all other tanks out of the water, which allows you to use whatever weapon you want. If you are getting your butt kicked you owe it to your healer to pull out your shield, but 90% of the time you won't need it.
People will tell you that your damage doesn't matter because it can't compare to dps class damage, which is true. However, your damage is important because if you are getting creamed in the dps department there will be no amount of taunt that will bring aggro back to you.
Can't wait to hear the responses from all the non tanks.
People will tell you that your damage doesn't matter because it can't compare to dps class damage, which is true. However, your damage is important because if you are getting creamed in the dps department there will be no amount of taunt that will bring aggro back to you.
Can't wait to hear the responses from all the non tanks.
Ok, to clarify this straight up:
I have had 9 characters over level 20 (get bored easy) and 7 were tanks, of the 6 Chars I have now 5 are tanks. And here is my advice to you:
USE THE SHIELD.
I know it doesn't seem like the shield realy matters but trust me, it does. The added Miti and avoidence (from block) means you take a whole lot less damage using it. If your worried about doing less damage get an imbued shield, the proc goes quite often and is pretty good.
As a level 20 you can also pick up your choice of nice one handers. Berik, Sword of Thunder is the best, the quest starter drops anywhere in stormhold but is VERY rare. Well worth it though. For something easier do this quest.
If thats your biggest problem then your doing something wrong. Upgrade your taunts or something cause I found guardians were the EASIEST to hold aggro with. We do good damage, have nice abilities and if you realy need to use one of your buffs to grab hate, mobs freaking hate buffs.
Are you even playing the same class as the rest of us? We don't do a huge amount of damage campared to the scouts and mages but we hold our own aganst the other fighters. Except brusiers and monks cause they are mainly DD's now.
The only times you should use dual wield(do more damage and have better stats then 2handed) is when your soloing or not tanking in a group.
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Can't wait to hear the responses from all the non tanks.
I have had 9 characters over level 20 (get bored easy) and 7 were tanks, of the 6 Chars I have now 5 are tanks. And here is my advice to you:
USE THE SHIELD.
I know it doesn't seem like the shield realy matters but trust me, it does. The added Miti and avoidence (from block) means you take a whole lot less damage using it. If your worried about doing less damage get an imbued shield, the proc goes quite often and is pretty good.
As a level 20 you can also pick up your choice of nice one handers. Berik, Sword of Thunder is the best, the quest starter drops anywhere in stormhold but is VERY rare. Well worth it though. For something easier do this quest.
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I play a guardian and I can tell you that your biggest problem will be holding aggro with a guardian. It's not impossible but it is more difficult than with some other classes.
If thats your biggest problem then your doing something wrong. Upgrade your taunts or something cause I found guardians were the EASIEST to hold aggro with. We do good damage, have nice abilities and if you realy need to use one of your buffs to grab hate, mobs freaking hate buffs.
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This is because guardians don't do jack for damage.
Are you even playing the same class as the rest of us? We don't do a huge amount of damage campared to the scouts and mages but we hold our own aganst the other fighters. Except brusiers and monks cause they are mainly DD's now.
The only times you should use dual wield(do more damage and have better stats then 2handed) is when your soloing or not tanking in a group.
The fact that all of your characters are a bunch of low level turds is proof that you don't know what you are talking about. When you use your guardians temporary defense buffs you kill your dps. If you think a guardian is doing the same damage as a berzerker or sk, you are on crack. Furthermore, I didn't tell him to not use a shield--- I told him if he wasn't getting his *** kicked he didn't need to use it.
In addition I didn't say that he couldn't hold aggro --- I just said it was the biggest problem, as opposed to say having enough hp or avoidance. Holding aggro isn't hard if everyone in the grp is playing their role properly, but anyone who has tanked extensively knows that the dps can't wait to start stabbin away and that causes problems sometimes. The guardian lacks a bit in these situations because they can't instantly take aggro back as well as some classes.
BTW ---7 tanks ? if you are going to lie at least tell a semi-bleievable lie
In addition I didn't say that he couldn't hold aggro --- I just said it was the biggest problem, as opposed to say having enough hp or avoidance. Holding aggro isn't hard if everyone in the grp is playing their role properly, but anyone who has tanked extensively knows that the dps can't wait to start stabbin away and that causes problems sometimes. The guardian lacks a bit in these situations because they can't instantly take aggro back as well as some classes.
BTW ---7 tanks ? if you are going to lie at least tell a semi-bleievable lie
Well I can only talk about what I see around me and what other Guardians say to me. And they all laugh at me for using a shield and 1H all the time
Simple reason, from their perspective, you get better DPS with a 2H or duel wield. Therefore the mobs die faster, that's their argument.
However I like board and sword from a role-playing perspective, I prefer the look
I think the general consensus though is to go with 2H or duel wield unless you're main tank against a tough mob.
Simple reason, from their perspective, you get better DPS with a 2H or duel wield. Therefore the mobs die faster, that's their argument.
However I like board and sword from a role-playing perspective, I prefer the look
I think the general consensus though is to go with 2H or duel wield unless you're main tank against a tough mob.
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The fact that all of your characters are a bunch of low level turds is proof that you don't know what you are talking about.
Low level turds eh? Since when is a level 47 paladin or level 56 guardian considered low level? And a level 33 SK and 36 Zerker realy arn't much to scoff at. Please don't pass judgements when you have absolutely no clue what on earth your talking about and have no proof to back it up.
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hold our own aganst the other fighters
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If you think a guardian is doing the same damage as a berzerker or sk, you are on crack.
Did I say they did the same damage? No, all I said is that we can hold our own, I.E. we are not as horribly gimped in that area as you seem to believe.
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but anyone who has tanked extensively knows that the dps can't wait to start stabbin away and that causes problems sometimes. The guardian lacks a bit in these situations because they can't instantly take aggro back as well as some classes.
Sure the DPS can get a little trigger happy evry once and awhile, but all yyou gotta do is slap Rescue on the mob and its back, and if your fighting groups of mobs always use your Hold the Line type ability. It lasts til you cancel it, has a good reuse timer and REALY helps in holdding aggro, all you gotta do is make sure you throw out an AoE taunt to start with.
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BTW ---7 tanks ? if you are going to lie at least tell a semi-bleievable lie
2 guardians (56 and 22, 22's been deleted), 1 Sk (33), 1 Paladin (47), 2 zerkers (36 and 23, 23 was deleted), and 1 monk (25). I also had a level 23 swashy and have a level 22 wizard. Send a PM to mearyk if you don't believe me, He used to play on Lucan with me.
Edited, Wed Jan 11 17:11:24 2006 by TheDakster
Darkster it's really obvious you are full of crap. I'm shure by the next time you post all of your imaginary tanks will be level 60. Unfortunately for you you can't just look up a list of guardian spells and post based on that. First of all rescue is only available once every 10 minutes. Second of all the taunt is not an AE taunt it is an encounter taunt, which means if a mob aggros that is not part of the encounter, which happens often in eqII, the taunt won't hit it. Third the fact that you refered to "hold the line" is proof that you have never been beyond level 20 with a guardian. And fourth you act like "hold the line" is a magic wand. If a wizzy blows an AE too early it doesn't matter what spell you are using and what level it is --- he is going to get aggro. "Hold the line" doesn't do anything to help you re-gain aggro. If you have lost aggro this spell won't do anything for you. "Use rescue" you say-- what magical server do you play on where rescue can be used more than once every 10 minutes? I'm not really great at math, but if there are 3 mobs attacking someone how are you going to use rescue on all of them? I'm not even going to adress the dps thing again. Everyone who plays eqII knows guardians are near the bottom of the dps ladder.
P.S. I have bets on what you are going to make up next --make me proud and rich at the same time!
Another P.S. Placing quotes from "tough guys" on your message isn't enough to make you tough
Edited, Sat Jan 21 20:10:24 2006 by jvalle
Edited, Sat Jan 21 20:13:34 2006 by jvalle
P.S. I have bets on what you are going to make up next --make me proud and rich at the same time!
Another P.S. Placing quotes from "tough guys" on your message isn't enough to make you tough
Edited, Sat Jan 21 20:10:24 2006 by jvalle
Edited, Sat Jan 21 20:13:34 2006 by jvalle
Jackass wrote:
I wrote
Nope, I just leveled the Guardian to 57.
P.S. learn to type before you post again, your post hurts my eyes..
P.S.S. Why does it take you so long to reply? Does your brain realy work so slow it takes you 3 weeks to come up with one post filled with complete Bullshit?
Edited, Sat Jan 21 21:08:25 2006 by TheDakster
Edited, Sat Jan 21 21:17:23 2006 by TheDakster
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First of all rescue is only available once every 10 minutes. Second of all the taunt is not an AE taunt it is an encounter taunt, which means if a mob aggros that is not part of the encounter, which happens often in eqII, the taunt won't hit it.
I wrote
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sure the DPS can get a little trigger happy evry once and awhile, but all yyou gotta do is slap Rescue on the mob and its back, and if your fighting groups of mobs always use your Hold the Line type ability. It lasts til you cancel it, has a good reuse timer and REALY helps in holdding aggro, all you gotta do is make sure you throw out an AoE taunt to start with. [:quote]
If you have Hold the Line on and taunt the adds when they walk up you shouldn't even have to use rescue, its there as a last resort. If you think I'm talking about using it a lot, then obviously you are a bad enough tank that you get into situations that require it more then once every ten minutes.
Did you notice the "to start with" part, or are you illiterate. I was advising using it to START an encounter, not to grab hate in the middle of one.
Guess it's illiterate.
I refer to Hold the Line because the OP is a level 20 guardian, if I refered to Inflaming Defense then he would probably not know what I was talking about.
And if you encounter taunt, HO, battle cry and have HTL active then you shouldn't lose hate to one AoE, and if you do just ask the wizzy to wait a few seconds before letting it off. Keeping hate is a teamwork type of thing.
[quote]I'm shure by the next time you post all of your imaginary tanks will be level 60.
If you have Hold the Line on and taunt the adds when they walk up you shouldn't even have to use rescue, its there as a last resort. If you think I'm talking about using it a lot, then obviously you are a bad enough tank that you get into situations that require it more then once every ten minutes.
Did you notice the "to start with" part, or are you illiterate. I was advising using it to START an encounter, not to grab hate in the middle of one.
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Darkster
Guess it's illiterate.
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Third the fact that you refered to "hold the line" is proof that you have never been beyond level 20 with a guardian. And fourth you act like "hold the line" is a magic wand. If a wizzy blows an AE too early it doesn't matter what spell you are using and what level it is --- he is going to get aggro.
I refer to Hold the Line because the OP is a level 20 guardian, if I refered to Inflaming Defense then he would probably not know what I was talking about.
And if you encounter taunt, HO, battle cry and have HTL active then you shouldn't lose hate to one AoE, and if you do just ask the wizzy to wait a few seconds before letting it off. Keeping hate is a teamwork type of thing.
[quote]I'm shure by the next time you post all of your imaginary tanks will be level 60.
Nope, I just leveled the Guardian to 57.
P.S. learn to type before you post again, your post hurts my eyes..
P.S.S. Why does it take you so long to reply? Does your brain realy work so slow it takes you 3 weeks to come up with one post filled with complete Bullshit?
Edited, Sat Jan 21 21:08:25 2006 by TheDakster
Edited, Sat Jan 21 21:17:23 2006 by TheDakster
I am going to go ahead and clear all of this up for the naysayer. I play with Dak on LD. I can confirm all of his tanks and his Finger Wiggler.
I don't feel as though you know what you are talking about Baron. If I have an instance where my group just aggroed three additional mobs...we're ******* Bottom line. That is why there is a secondary tank in real groups. Hold the Line is in fact a spell line. All spells/abilities of the same typeset replace each other at the higher levels. On what server is it possible to use Goading Defense and Hold the Line at the same time?
Remove head from *** then type.
I don't feel as though you know what you are talking about Baron. If I have an instance where my group just aggroed three additional mobs...we're ******* Bottom line. That is why there is a secondary tank in real groups. Hold the Line is in fact a spell line. All spells/abilities of the same typeset replace each other at the higher levels. On what server is it possible to use Goading Defense and Hold the Line at the same time?
Remove head from *** then type.
Haha,all this over one question...Dak thanks for using Hold the Line as the abillity sense i am only lvl 20 hehe but i never thought of using that thanks for the info
Np Gelth glad I could help, and I can't stand people spouting off crap they're trying to pass off as good info.
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