I'm pretty new to this game as a level 12 shaman. I'm also a level 12 scholor and have upgraded all my spells to apprentice IV. I notice there is a very slight improvement to the spell, but it still cons either blue/green/yellow to me. I'm assuming these spells will become obsolete so I wonder if there was a point in upgrading them at all.
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Point to upgrading spells?Follow
There are 3 levels of quality for each spell as well as up to 4 stages per level.
Most new spells/abilities you recieve start out at apprentice 1.
You could then buy the app 2 upgrades from NPCs scattered throughout Norrath
-OR- you could upgrade to player made app 3 or app 4 versions
-OR- you could buy or otherwise procure adept 1 versions from mobs & other players
-OR- you could buy adept 3 versions made by players from rare materials
-OR- you could just wait for a master scroll to drop.
You will never see any difference between versions in how the spell cons to you. An Adept 1 Smite is still Smite , it's just a better quality version of it.
However, with each step up in the quality of the spell, you will see a small level of improvement in dmg output or points healed, etc. I have always noticed a sizable difference betwen say app 1 and adept 1 but I will often upgrade just to app 4 instead if I can find them cheap enough.
Different spells will indeed be replaced by more potient versions of the same spell line as you move forward but I find the improvement in quality well worth the cost since I am likely to be using that spell for 6 - 12 levels before replacement.
The beauty part is that you never have to upgrade in any particular order or manner. You could, in theory, upgrade to a master 1 as soon as you recieved a new spell. You just need to have obtained that master scroll first!
This response got a little long winded... hope I answered your question...
Edited to include fronglo's correction
Edited, Sun May 15 04:05:51 2005 by OldBlueDragon
Most new spells/abilities you recieve start out at apprentice 1.
You could then buy the app 2 upgrades from NPCs scattered throughout Norrath
-OR- you could upgrade to player made app 3 or app 4 versions
-OR- you could buy or otherwise procure adept 1 versions from mobs & other players
-OR- you could buy adept 3 versions made by players from rare materials
-OR- you could just wait for a master scroll to drop.
You will never see any difference between versions in how the spell cons to you. An Adept 1 Smite is still Smite , it's just a better quality version of it.
However, with each step up in the quality of the spell, you will see a small level of improvement in dmg output or points healed, etc. I have always noticed a sizable difference betwen say app 1 and adept 1 but I will often upgrade just to app 4 instead if I can find them cheap enough.
Different spells will indeed be replaced by more potient versions of the same spell line as you move forward but I find the improvement in quality well worth the cost since I am likely to be using that spell for 6 - 12 levels before replacement.
The beauty part is that you never have to upgrade in any particular order or manner. You could, in theory, upgrade to a master 1 as soon as you recieved a new spell. You just need to have obtained that master scroll first!
This response got a little long winded... hope I answered your question...
Edited to include fronglo's correction
Edited, Sun May 15 04:05:51 2005 by OldBlueDragon
Thanks that helps a lot, but in essence you don't really need to upgrade your spells then if you don't want to. Well I'll continue with scholor anyway in hopes that it will make a differnce as far as the spells having a better effect.
No, you don't really need to... it all comes down to how efficiently you want to kill or cure...
A couple weeks ago I rolled up a new bard and raced to level 11 without upgrading anything. At that point, I noticed that it was taking me a LONG time to kill any white con or better mob... So, I ran back to town and upgraded a few key spells to adept 1 or app 4. The difference was astounding!
So count me in as a firm believer in keeping spell quality high...
And one more point... think about it from the other side... would you really want the tank/healer/DPS/etc. in your next pickup group to be working with a full set of app 1 starter spells?
A couple weeks ago I rolled up a new bard and raced to level 11 without upgrading anything. At that point, I noticed that it was taking me a LONG time to kill any white con or better mob... So, I ran back to town and upgraded a few key spells to adept 1 or app 4. The difference was astounding!
So count me in as a firm believer in keeping spell quality high...
And one more point... think about it from the other side... would you really want the tank/healer/DPS/etc. in your next pickup group to be working with a full set of app 1 starter spells?
-OR- you could buy adept 3 & 4 versions made by players from rare materials
Im not aware of Adept 4? Pretty sure its just adept 3 isn't it?
I have heard there will be player crafted Master 3's eventually however the material to craft them is from raid encounters only.
Im sure this is different with each server, but from what I have seen lower level adept 1 spells seem to be harder to acquire then the player made app4 spells. However now that I am lvl 47, every spell that I use is adept 1 or better. I guess there is more adept 1 spells dropping at higher levels then there are higher levels to use them. At lower levels I would not spend your life savings buying the adept 3 spells (they are usually 20 goldish on my server for tier2 spells). Id just go with app4 or adept 1 depending on price. Be sure to check between the Freeport and Qeynos brokers. As a conjuror I usually end up buying most of my spells at the 40% broker fee from Freeport. Assumeing I can find the spells in Qeynos they are usually 3x higher for some reason.
Im not aware of Adept 4? Pretty sure its just adept 3 isn't it?
I have heard there will be player crafted Master 3's eventually however the material to craft them is from raid encounters only.
Im sure this is different with each server, but from what I have seen lower level adept 1 spells seem to be harder to acquire then the player made app4 spells. However now that I am lvl 47, every spell that I use is adept 1 or better. I guess there is more adept 1 spells dropping at higher levels then there are higher levels to use them. At lower levels I would not spend your life savings buying the adept 3 spells (they are usually 20 goldish on my server for tier2 spells). Id just go with app4 or adept 1 depending on price. Be sure to check between the Freeport and Qeynos brokers. As a conjuror I usually end up buying most of my spells at the 40% broker fee from Freeport. Assumeing I can find the spells in Qeynos they are usually 3x higher for some reason.
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fronglo noted:
oops... you are correct, sir. Good catch, thanks.
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Im not aware of Adept 4? Pretty sure its just adept 3 isn't it?
oops... you are correct, sir. Good catch, thanks.
Also keep in mind that some spell lines are still slightly broken. You might find some in your own line, report those in, hopefully the fix-our-spells que will fill and action will be taken.
Also to note, some higher level spells may do less damage but have an additional mitigation effect.
Example: I had a choice of upgrading 2 spells to Adept 1, level 13 Dust Blast (DD), or Level 26 Spiked Rain (DoT + AC debuff).
Dust Blast did more damage, however Spiked Rain had an addition effect of lowering opponents armor class.
I chose Spiked Rain to upgrade to get the extra mitigation effect - a lower AC means my pet can hit more often.
Sure, I could have upgraded both, but the damage-for-mana was not worth the 1-shot DD. I'll save that for the Wizards/Warlocks. :)
Also to note, some higher level spells may do less damage but have an additional mitigation effect.
Example: I had a choice of upgrading 2 spells to Adept 1, level 13 Dust Blast (DD), or Level 26 Spiked Rain (DoT + AC debuff).
Dust Blast did more damage, however Spiked Rain had an addition effect of lowering opponents armor class.
I chose Spiked Rain to upgrade to get the extra mitigation effect - a lower AC means my pet can hit more often.
Sure, I could have upgraded both, but the damage-for-mana was not worth the 1-shot DD. I'll save that for the Wizards/Warlocks. :)
Upgrading your spells can be the difference in being good.. or great... same thing goes for armor.. would you keep wearing grey armor.. yes it works but not no where near as good as upgraded armor.
Also you have to think about the combined effect of all your spells being upgraded. if spells stack and you upgrade them the combined effect that much better. I upgrade the same day I get the spell.. even if it is only just up to app4. I look for adept 1's every chance I get.
As for adept 3 and master spells these are spells that you will want to really reseach before buying. These spells can cost a ton and you really don't want to spend a ton on a crap master spell. or a spell that is going to be replaced very soon.
Pet casters and adept 3 and master 1 pets are a good mix.. you can get a lvl 24 pet that will last to 38 if you get the master or adept 3 spell.. and they will be dam good pets..
Also you have to think about the combined effect of all your spells being upgraded. if spells stack and you upgrade them the combined effect that much better. I upgrade the same day I get the spell.. even if it is only just up to app4. I look for adept 1's every chance I get.
As for adept 3 and master spells these are spells that you will want to really reseach before buying. These spells can cost a ton and you really don't want to spend a ton on a crap master spell. or a spell that is going to be replaced very soon.
Pet casters and adept 3 and master 1 pets are a good mix.. you can get a lvl 24 pet that will last to 38 if you get the master or adept 3 spell.. and they will be dam good pets..
I dont know for how much are spell going on your server, but for me most adept one on antonia bayle are like 2g+.
Maybe it would be a possible solution if i was an hardcore gamer but i havent even done 2 gold on my character as it is :).
I guess ill keep making my own app4 for awhile.
Now here might be smething to gain from doing a couple dozen app4 spell and selling them, ill have to try that :)
Maybe it would be a possible solution if i was an hardcore gamer but i havent even done 2 gold on my character as it is :).
I guess ill keep making my own app4 for awhile.
Now here might be smething to gain from doing a couple dozen app4 spell and selling them, ill have to try that :)
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I dont know for how much are spell going on your server, but for me most adept one on antonia bayle are like 2g+.
I have found viable adept 1 ranger and druid scrolls for as little as 17s... that's correct... I said 17 silver! I commonly see them for between 20 & 40s. This is on Toxx server.
Edited, Mon May 16 21:08:49 2005 by OldBlueDragon
The cost of spells very from spell to spell and day to day. On days where there are a lot of that spell on auction, they can be found cheap, if there is only one or two people want an arm and leg for them. It also depends on how people buy the spell, if it is good and people are willing to buy the spell for a high amount they sell for a lot.
It will be hard for you to afford every spell, make your appIV spells for yourself then see what you can sell, and check the auctions for good buys. Try to save up enough coins to buy a couple of boxes for your house vault to help with selling while you do other stuff. Then to harvest as much as your vault can hold, check auction prices for a fair amount. I have made most of what I have this way, and it works to keep me equiped.
Edited, Mon May 16 22:56:16 2005 by dirges
It will be hard for you to afford every spell, make your appIV spells for yourself then see what you can sell, and check the auctions for good buys. Try to save up enough coins to buy a couple of boxes for your house vault to help with selling while you do other stuff. Then to harvest as much as your vault can hold, check auction prices for a fair amount. I have made most of what I have this way, and it works to keep me equiped.
Edited, Mon May 16 22:56:16 2005 by dirges
There's little point in upgrading some spells. I have some that I use rarely if ever, why spend several gold upgrading a spell that I don't use?
Concentrate on the ones that you use the most, or that are most bang for the buck for your class.
If you are a healer, your heals and wards need to be pretty top of the line. There isn't such a significant difference between app4 and adept I that if the app4 is selling for 50sp and the adeptI is selling for 5gp that I wouldn't pick the app4.
Concentrate on your most used, most important spells first. Don't forget you will get some drops on occasion as well.
Forget master spells, if you ever see one you will be quite fortunate, but you certainly won't have a spellbook full.
And final piece of advice, figure out which spells are going to be replaced and when, and that will also guide you. If your top spell is being upgraded in 2 levels, why bother buying an expensive adept spell? If its going to be 10 levels, it might be worth it.
Concentrate on the ones that you use the most, or that are most bang for the buck for your class.
If you are a healer, your heals and wards need to be pretty top of the line. There isn't such a significant difference between app4 and adept I that if the app4 is selling for 50sp and the adeptI is selling for 5gp that I wouldn't pick the app4.
Concentrate on your most used, most important spells first. Don't forget you will get some drops on occasion as well.
Forget master spells, if you ever see one you will be quite fortunate, but you certainly won't have a spellbook full.
And final piece of advice, figure out which spells are going to be replaced and when, and that will also guide you. If your top spell is being upgraded in 2 levels, why bother buying an expensive adept spell? If its going to be 10 levels, it might be worth it.
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