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(There, now SoE can kiss my tushie!)
I firmly believe that the high command of Sony Online Entertainment have gone totally off their FREAKING rockers!
In three of their games that I have been personnally associated they have wrecked stuff, trying to "fix issues"...
EVERQUEST I:
They merged a large number of servers and killed all the UIs! Sounds trivial except following Customer Service's instruction DOESN"T fix it!!!
Everquest II:
Exchange Servers... Need I say more??
Yantis = Bad
SOE = Good
Same activity???
Star Wars Galaxies:
The combat upgrade is ANYTHING but an improvement... They have had 6 weeks of input. Over 85% of those polled hate the upgrade. SONY pushed it through anyways...
I love the way SONY is also squalshing any dissent on their forums... I guess the truth hurts??
I would love to see these guys as advisors for Hillbillery Rodham-Clinton for President 2008... You could guess the outcome if they did...
Edited, Fri Apr 29 14:37:23 2005 by Elodarian
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They are a company. They want money. If you don't like them, don't buy/use their products.
NewGuyXI...
If you read any of the other major forums relating to the recent implementations SOE has put out, you will see many of us are doing as you suggest!
The subscriptions to SWG has plummeted in the last 3 days... over 1300 accounts from the BRIA server alone...
That and SOE is seriously filtering their forums, preventing potential buyers from reading any dissenting opinions!
I hate it when the US govenment does it and I still hate it when I, the CUSTOMER, has done to me!
Edited, Sat Apr 30 20:57:00 2005 by Elodarian
If you read any of the other major forums relating to the recent implementations SOE has put out, you will see many of us are doing as you suggest!
The subscriptions to SWG has plummeted in the last 3 days... over 1300 accounts from the BRIA server alone...
That and SOE is seriously filtering their forums, preventing potential buyers from reading any dissenting opinions!
I hate it when the US govenment does it and I still hate it when I, the CUSTOMER, has done to me!
Edited, Sat Apr 30 20:57:00 2005 by Elodarian
Hey, Im not saying you're wrong.
And you are certainly free to express your opinion. However, I am also free to express mine in saying you will save yourself time by just letting it go and move on to something else. Anyone who will read this thread most likely knows what is going on, and may or may not agree with you.
I guess my point is if you don't like what they are doing, the only real way to do anything that in any way affects them is witholding your money from them as much as you can. Too bad we all can't just stop paying taxes when the government does something similar to this kind of censorship.
And you are certainly free to express your opinion. However, I am also free to express mine in saying you will save yourself time by just letting it go and move on to something else. Anyone who will read this thread most likely knows what is going on, and may or may not agree with you.
I guess my point is if you don't like what they are doing, the only real way to do anything that in any way affects them is witholding your money from them as much as you can. Too bad we all can't just stop paying taxes when the government does something similar to this kind of censorship.
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They are a company. They want money. If you don't like them, don't buy/use their products.
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I may just be wrong and drunk, I'm not very sure anymore.
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I may just be wrong and drunk, I'm not very sure anymore.
/disagree
If they where after your money they would not be doing stupid things to lose people.
Ok, but perhaps the 'need' for profit is guided by the potential income from 'exchange enabled' servers.
I agree it is really stupid to angry and marginalize through censorship and entire segement (a big one too) by doing what they seem to have done. But I guess money and potential for money is what drives some people, not making games for people who like to enjoy games.
I agree it is really stupid to angry and marginalize through censorship and entire segement (a big one too) by doing what they seem to have done. But I guess money and potential for money is what drives some people, not making games for people who like to enjoy games.
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I've canceled my subscription. SOE has over-eager management. They think they are on top so they are making risky moves to try and make the game more profitable.
I kept track of my posts in the forums and watched many of my anti-exchange posts get "stealth" deleted. Not locked, no warnings... just deleted. And they weren't deleting posts in which I argued or violated any forum rules. They deleted posts that were swaying people. Faarwolf claimed she didn't delete my posts and didn't know who did.
Sony has flat out lied to us several times, and now they are manipulating their forums to give the apperance that the exchange servers are more popular than they really are.
I'll never buy a Sony product again. No matter what devision of Sony it is. If Sony starts making hart defibulaters and I have a hart attack, let me die.
I kept track of my posts in the forums and watched many of my anti-exchange posts get "stealth" deleted. Not locked, no warnings... just deleted. And they weren't deleting posts in which I argued or violated any forum rules. They deleted posts that were swaying people. Faarwolf claimed she didn't delete my posts and didn't know who did.
Sony has flat out lied to us several times, and now they are manipulating their forums to give the apperance that the exchange servers are more popular than they really are.
I'll never buy a Sony product again. No matter what devision of Sony it is. If Sony starts making hart defibulaters and I have a hart attack, let me die.
Well, in fact if you ever worked as a boss in a company you will know that people only complain and never encourage a company so while 50 people keep posting non-productive post about sone exchange, 499950 others dont even go check on these boards. So they probably are right thinking that it is not a unpopular idea.
Even tho i condemn deleting post for no reason, hateful non-productive post have no place to be on any forums.
Even tho i condemn deleting post for no reason, hateful non-productive post have no place to be on any forums.
SoE had 2 choices, carry on as they've been doing or try something radically different to control the account/item buyers/sellers.
They've told us that 40% of CS time is spent dealing with issues arising from this. And after Exchange goes live their treatment of these people on regular servers will become *brutal*.
This is a very bold radical move and I'm sure they knew there would be a backlash. However they obviously felt it was worth weathering the storm to give it a try.
Yes our first reaction is that it feels like suddenly they are supporting the cheaters but if you're faced with a tidal wave you can't just stand there with an umbrella and refuse to move.
It was probably inevitable that some gaming company would be the first to blink in the war with the plat sellers.
So I don't believe this is just a money making venture from SoE (even though that's part of the equation) but mainly a logical attempt to deal with this menace in a more workable way.
They've told us that 40% of CS time is spent dealing with issues arising from this. And after Exchange goes live their treatment of these people on regular servers will become *brutal*.
This is a very bold radical move and I'm sure they knew there would be a backlash. However they obviously felt it was worth weathering the storm to give it a try.
Yes our first reaction is that it feels like suddenly they are supporting the cheaters but if you're faced with a tidal wave you can't just stand there with an umbrella and refuse to move.
It was probably inevitable that some gaming company would be the first to blink in the war with the plat sellers.
So I don't believe this is just a money making venture from SoE (even though that's part of the equation) but mainly a logical attempt to deal with this menace in a more workable way.
Eq2 is a realatively smaller portion of what Sony does - they are a rather large electronics company. It is actually possible that a CEO could give this entire gaming thing to his grandkid to manage and no matter what this kid did in mismanaging EQ2 i seriously doubt it would make a major impact on Sony stock. Just some mind candy for those who arent playing the game for cheap entertainment.
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SOE has never done anything about people buying and selling plat. NOTHING. That 40% figure was a lie... unless they are saying that 40% of their CS time is spent deleting peoples complaints about plat sales. Because THEY DONT DO ANYTHING.
Proof:
All they do is delete the threads. This is at least the 2nd time this guy has done this in the forum and No Bann on his account. SOE allows it, supports it, and will now profit off of it. They are lying to their customers and their customers are buying it. Litteraly.
Proof:
All they do is delete the threads. This is at least the 2nd time this guy has done this in the forum and No Bann on his account. SOE allows it, supports it, and will now profit off of it. They are lying to their customers and their customers are buying it. Litteraly.
He's trying to trade plat from one server to another, how is that illegal?
He isn't selling anything, no real life money involved, at least nothing in his post says anything about real money or profits.
That isn't what the changes are about.
Unless the post was altered in some way?
He isn't selling anything, no real life money involved, at least nothing in his post says anything about real money or profits.
That isn't what the changes are about.
Unless the post was altered in some way?
They banned 700 farmers in EQ2 about a month ago. Proof they did is that plat inventory at IGN and other sellers all but disappeared.
The complaints they're referring to are from people who get ripped off by E-Bayers or plat sellers. If they control the exchange, they presumedly eliminate the fraud. With more income they can (should) hire more CS people and pay more attention to other things. (This is the only thing I think is good about Exchange Servers.)
Edited, Thu May 5 17:49:35 2005 by Lydiaele
The complaints they're referring to are from people who get ripped off by E-Bayers or plat sellers. If they control the exchange, they presumedly eliminate the fraud. With more income they can (should) hire more CS people and pay more attention to other things. (This is the only thing I think is good about Exchange Servers.)
Edited, Thu May 5 17:49:35 2005 by Lydiaele
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Farmers are NOT plat sellers. They can be, but are not always. There are far more people that sell plat than Farm it. Saying you will actively police Farming and Botting will in no way mean your are going to stop plat sales.
If you don't see what that person trading plat accrossed servers means in relation to the exchange servers and plat sales... I can't help you.
If you don't see what that person trading plat accrossed servers means in relation to the exchange servers and plat sales... I can't help you.
I have a question RE: Plat sellers...
I have been playing the game since Nov 04.
I am a level 17 weaponsmith but I can make Tier I spells.
I have been making and selling Smite, Minor Healing & Arch Healing Apprentice IVs. I sell them for 25sp each and I can't make them fast enough.
With all this I still have yet to see more than 50 Gold accumulated.
(I know, I know! I have been spending some on good deals for weapons and amterials.)
My question is this;
Short of farming every node you can find, how can anyone be making PLATINUM????
I have been playing the game since Nov 04.
I am a level 17 weaponsmith but I can make Tier I spells.
I have been making and selling Smite, Minor Healing & Arch Healing Apprentice IVs. I sell them for 25sp each and I can't make them fast enough.
With all this I still have yet to see more than 50 Gold accumulated.
(I know, I know! I have been spending some on good deals for weapons and amterials.)
My question is this;
Short of farming every node you can find, how can anyone be making PLATINUM????
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Farmers are NOT plat sellers. They can be, but are not always.
Apparently they are in this case, because IGE (sorry IGN) still has no gold available on EQ2 servers. Personally, as a programmer, I think it would be easier to spot plat selling than it would be to spot farming.
Why do people always give worst case scenarios when they argue how bad any change to their MMO game is going to be? If people start trading tons of plat between exchange and non-exchange servers and SOE doesn't stop it, yeah, that's bad. But it hasn't happened yet, so it's just pessimistic theory now.
Life is easier when you don't worry so much about ultimately unimportant things.
Short answer is: 6-box bots. They hunt green/grey mobs for the trash drops, fill up their backpacks, and sell it at the field merchant.
Imagine a company where a worker does this for an 8 hour shift, then changes the shift to the next guy that sits down at the keyboard and continues. Run this operation 24/7 with a room full of 6-boxers.
They could make quite a bit of cash that is mailed to a few central characters that work the transactions.
There are also a few legitimate ways:
- The higher end charaters that can access the higher zones and mobs get the big drops. They sell those at the broker. Adept III spells commonly go for 45g+. There is a player-seller on Najena named High that seems to have all the Adept III's I need. :(
- Buy low and sell high. If you watch the market like a hawk, you will catch items sold for low prices. I don't like this method as it jacks up the market, but it's done. Jacking a price too high will result in no buyers.
- Sell rares. If you are lucky enough to harvest a rare, you can sell it for 20g+.
- Farm. But not in the sense of camping a spot. Hunt everything you can, the bigger the better. I used to harvest till I puked and would sell stacks of tuber strands for mere copper. Now I hunt everything in EL and Zek, getting drops of armor and other items, most of which I cannot use, some of which are no-trade. That which I cannot trade, I sell to the merchant. If a guildmate could use something I find, I mail it to him. I typically get 2-8 gold after a few hours.
- Tradeskill making lower combines. Sell these at the broker to the higher TS'ers that don't want to waste time with lower combines.
Since the new patch got rid of all merchant-sold furniture, requiring folks to buy from players, that opens the market for those that make furniture.
It might follow that other tradeskills will get the same boon. What would your selling be like if merchants no longer sold weapons? :)
So after a few months of playing, I have yet to see my first platinum coin - I have about 55g in the bank. I've spent maybe 50g on spell upgrades and items. If I sold my Heritage items to the merchant I'd get another 20g each. I've found some good armor as random drops, but not the uber-est possible.
I've found that as a casual player I will always be in the "middle-class". Not rich, but equipped well enough. And that's fine with me. :)
Imagine a company where a worker does this for an 8 hour shift, then changes the shift to the next guy that sits down at the keyboard and continues. Run this operation 24/7 with a room full of 6-boxers.
They could make quite a bit of cash that is mailed to a few central characters that work the transactions.
There are also a few legitimate ways:
- The higher end charaters that can access the higher zones and mobs get the big drops. They sell those at the broker. Adept III spells commonly go for 45g+. There is a player-seller on Najena named High that seems to have all the Adept III's I need. :(
- Buy low and sell high. If you watch the market like a hawk, you will catch items sold for low prices. I don't like this method as it jacks up the market, but it's done. Jacking a price too high will result in no buyers.
- Sell rares. If you are lucky enough to harvest a rare, you can sell it for 20g+.
- Farm. But not in the sense of camping a spot. Hunt everything you can, the bigger the better. I used to harvest till I puked and would sell stacks of tuber strands for mere copper. Now I hunt everything in EL and Zek, getting drops of armor and other items, most of which I cannot use, some of which are no-trade. That which I cannot trade, I sell to the merchant. If a guildmate could use something I find, I mail it to him. I typically get 2-8 gold after a few hours.
- Tradeskill making lower combines. Sell these at the broker to the higher TS'ers that don't want to waste time with lower combines.
Since the new patch got rid of all merchant-sold furniture, requiring folks to buy from players, that opens the market for those that make furniture.
It might follow that other tradeskills will get the same boon. What would your selling be like if merchants no longer sold weapons? :)
So after a few months of playing, I have yet to see my first platinum coin - I have about 55g in the bank. I've spent maybe 50g on spell upgrades and items. If I sold my Heritage items to the merchant I'd get another 20g each. I've found some good armor as random drops, but not the uber-est possible.
I've found that as a casual player I will always be in the "middle-class". Not rich, but equipped well enough. And that's fine with me. :)
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