I just wanted everyone to know what's going on in the EQ2 forums. As you may have noticed, the first 24hrs after the Exchange Servers (buy plat for real $$$) were announced, there were a HUGE number of angry posts in the forums about it. Now the number of posts have dwindled off quite a bit... there's a reason for that.
SOE is actively banning people left and right, and deleting posts from the forum to make it look like it's more popular than it is. Several of us were told we would risk bannishment if they continued to reply to Dev posts. I got off with a warning. I've had people send me PMs about it though and I'm not the only one.
Look at the posts and some of the more active posters from 2 days ago... notice how they suddenly quit posting? I think they plan on losing a large number of customers over this but they are just trying to keep the number as low as possible... they think the revenue from the Exchange Servers will more than make up for the customer loss. It's unfortunate that most people never leave that forum and have no idea how SOE is carefully crafting their view of reality.
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Well, if they are making a mistake with this idea. (which I think they are) Why not let time decide if they kill the game or not with it. Seems to me thay are going 'highest profit per user' with this one, not 'keeping the majority happy' as they seem to have done in the past.
I noticed a few post had disappeared from the main boards, I remember it clearly because one of them quoted me...
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sad... so very, very sad..
Edit: in fact they deleted a few of mine... so now we all know where SOE stands..
Edited, Fri Apr 22 17:43:41 2005 by Iaini
Edited, Fri Apr 22 17:59:06 2005 by Iaini
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sad... so very, very sad..
Edit: in fact they deleted a few of mine... so now we all know where SOE stands..
Edited, Fri Apr 22 17:43:41 2005 by Iaini
Edited, Fri Apr 22 17:59:06 2005 by Iaini
Wow Iani you actually went ahead and cancelled your account already?
I'm just not sure what to think about all this. I really like EQ2, and I'm afraid they won't keep the ebaying on just two new servers. Once it hits all the servers... bah. Why are they doing this?
The latest statement from Smedley makes me feel a bit better about this. They are definately never going to convert existing servers and are going to be *brutal* in their treatment of offenders on regular servers.
I'd have to wait a bit to find out 'if' and 'how much more' money they make off this little idea. Sorry for the single quotes, but Im totally smashed right noe, and they look funny. heehee
But I fully believe that if it 'succedes' it will spread to everything they can spread it to. Just makes sense in their eyes I would guess. They are like a little kid wanting candy when candy = money. Remember they may make the game we enjoy, but they still want our money above all else.
If I had the stones to quit and force all my friends to quit over the mere suggestion of this idea, they;d lose all of 5 accounts. Thats not much of a dent, so Im not gonna go. But if enough people take that stand, they will notice.
But I fully believe that if it 'succedes' it will spread to everything they can spread it to. Just makes sense in their eyes I would guess. They are like a little kid wanting candy when candy = money. Remember they may make the game we enjoy, but they still want our money above all else.
If I had the stones to quit and force all my friends to quit over the mere suggestion of this idea, they;d lose all of 5 accounts. Thats not much of a dent, so Im not gonna go. But if enough people take that stand, they will notice.
Here's a thought...
Ok, fine. People want to play the game this way? Let em. But lets put some stipulations on this method of play. Maybe it would be a little bit easier for the rest of us to swallow if the people that "buy" their characters instead of working for them the "old fashioned way" had a few consequences so to speak for making this choice.
1. Let's bring faction back into the equation. Make the characters who play this way tagged in some way/set apart from the rest of the players so that they are easily identifiable in the greater populace. I know it's being said that new servers are going to (possibly?) be created to support this method of gameplay, but in the event of crossovers into OUR servers, I'd want to know who was doing this. Maybe a modification to the conning system so that when we consider the players we can see that they do this? And when they con people who aren't down with it, they could see "insert name here regards you with ill favor" and recognize that we aren't particularly interested in helping them out with things, etc (bad faction)? IMO, let the players who play that way band together and compete with their RL money separate and apart from the rest of us.
Again, I know its been said that they would have their own servers.. but what's this about some crossover into other servers??? I for one would be kinda ticked if I had to be packed up and shifted somewhere else because of these people. And I don't think its fair to have to feel the pressure of 'competing' with those that want to spend RL money on items and status that IMO should be EARNED.
2. In the event of a crossover situation, maybe more people would stay if the 'game poachers' were forced to live in their own newly created area as their home base i.e. instead of being able to have home in Willow Wood/Baubbleshire/ etc, a new area was established by SOE and integrated into the game where these people would be grouped, further separating and identifying them to other gameplayers. If this thing is gonna be about revenue for SOE, why don't they go all out and let these people pay out the nose for things? If they had their own home base area, the NPC merchants in these areas could be real price-gougers.... charge triple the price for items such as ration, furniture, weaponry, armor... they wanna buy things with RL money? Make em buy everything. And the 'bad faction' conning system modification would allow for merchants in other regular areas to refuse to sell to them, forcing them to use the NPC merchants in their own area.
These are just some brainstormed ideas I came up with while sitting here considering my feelings about this whole situation. If these changes are coming, I'd feel a whole lot better about it if we all had the easy ability to identify these people in game and the option to not facilitate their lvl advancement by giving them any breaks with goods that we craft or harvest and put on the broker for a good price. Give em a separate broker too! Let em be forced to play with the consequences that cheating w/ RL money brings to the table. In these ways, maybe they'd be forced to do all that buying of stuff among others like themselves and we wouldn't feel so slighted by having to play next to them. There would be a definite, recognizable division line in-game between those who earned their lvl 50 and deserve respect, and the ones that just sat down and wrote out a check.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Feedback?
edit: This idea is based on IF they ever did opt to allow these people to play on our regular servers. I don't care what they do on their own server.
Edited, Sat Apr 23 07:20:21 2005 by sashayenne
Edited, Sat Apr 23 10:48:28 2005 by sashayenne
Ok, fine. People want to play the game this way? Let em. But lets put some stipulations on this method of play. Maybe it would be a little bit easier for the rest of us to swallow if the people that "buy" their characters instead of working for them the "old fashioned way" had a few consequences so to speak for making this choice.
1. Let's bring faction back into the equation. Make the characters who play this way tagged in some way/set apart from the rest of the players so that they are easily identifiable in the greater populace. I know it's being said that new servers are going to (possibly?) be created to support this method of gameplay, but in the event of crossovers into OUR servers, I'd want to know who was doing this. Maybe a modification to the conning system so that when we consider the players we can see that they do this? And when they con people who aren't down with it, they could see "insert name here regards you with ill favor" and recognize that we aren't particularly interested in helping them out with things, etc (bad faction)? IMO, let the players who play that way band together and compete with their RL money separate and apart from the rest of us.
Again, I know its been said that they would have their own servers.. but what's this about some crossover into other servers??? I for one would be kinda ticked if I had to be packed up and shifted somewhere else because of these people. And I don't think its fair to have to feel the pressure of 'competing' with those that want to spend RL money on items and status that IMO should be EARNED.
2. In the event of a crossover situation, maybe more people would stay if the 'game poachers' were forced to live in their own newly created area as their home base i.e. instead of being able to have home in Willow Wood/Baubbleshire/ etc, a new area was established by SOE and integrated into the game where these people would be grouped, further separating and identifying them to other gameplayers. If this thing is gonna be about revenue for SOE, why don't they go all out and let these people pay out the nose for things? If they had their own home base area, the NPC merchants in these areas could be real price-gougers.... charge triple the price for items such as ration, furniture, weaponry, armor... they wanna buy things with RL money? Make em buy everything. And the 'bad faction' conning system modification would allow for merchants in other regular areas to refuse to sell to them, forcing them to use the NPC merchants in their own area.
These are just some brainstormed ideas I came up with while sitting here considering my feelings about this whole situation. If these changes are coming, I'd feel a whole lot better about it if we all had the easy ability to identify these people in game and the option to not facilitate their lvl advancement by giving them any breaks with goods that we craft or harvest and put on the broker for a good price. Give em a separate broker too! Let em be forced to play with the consequences that cheating w/ RL money brings to the table. In these ways, maybe they'd be forced to do all that buying of stuff among others like themselves and we wouldn't feel so slighted by having to play next to them. There would be a definite, recognizable division line in-game between those who earned their lvl 50 and deserve respect, and the ones that just sat down and wrote out a check.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Feedback?
edit: This idea is based on IF they ever did opt to allow these people to play on our regular servers. I don't care what they do on their own server.
Edited, Sat Apr 23 07:20:21 2005 by sashayenne
Edited, Sat Apr 23 10:48:28 2005 by sashayenne
Read the latest statement from Smedley. No existing servers will be converted and the number of new Exchange servers will depend on the level of interest they get from the poll around the end of next week.
I don't believe this is simply a money-making idea; I think it's SoE's attempt to deal with an escalating problem before it really starts to cut into their game, and damage the economy.
Also as they've said, 40% of all CS actions involve something to do with people using RL cash. Smedley's latest statement says that their future treatment of these people on non-Exchange servers will be *brutal*.
I still think the whole idea sucks though. Because it says that they have admitted defeat in trying to stamp out the cheaters and are looking for another way to deal with the situation. And it opens the door for other game developers to stop trying to fight this menace also.
Gaming as we know it has reached a major fork in the road and headed off in a nasty direction.
I don't believe this is simply a money-making idea; I think it's SoE's attempt to deal with an escalating problem before it really starts to cut into their game, and damage the economy.
Also as they've said, 40% of all CS actions involve something to do with people using RL cash. Smedley's latest statement says that their future treatment of these people on non-Exchange servers will be *brutal*.
I still think the whole idea sucks though. Because it says that they have admitted defeat in trying to stamp out the cheaters and are looking for another way to deal with the situation. And it opens the door for other game developers to stop trying to fight this menace also.
Gaming as we know it has reached a major fork in the road and headed off in a nasty direction.
Lol I like that idea of people being disgusted by the presence of 'buyers'. Would make me laugh all day every day, mostly cause it would end up being people least suspected in the past. >.>
In Sacred, once someone cheat, other player see them in a bunny suit, something like that would be great ! haha
But it will never happen because then less people would do it and they want it to work.
As long as there are exchange server i dont care myself, if its going to bring punishment on offenders for regular server then iots all the better.
But it will never happen because then less people would do it and they want it to work.
As long as there are exchange server i dont care myself, if its going to bring punishment on offenders for regular server then iots all the better.
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Ok I was wondering why everyone is pissy about this. For starters I will tell you I don't support this play style at all(I do not buy or sell) But on to my opinion of this topic.
I they (sony) have all the Ebayers move to a spiecal server(s) to sell freely, who will they sell to?? Last I checked most of you all who do this will move, while those who don't will stay on their current servers, which mean that the Ebayers will have to sell to themselves seeing they can not cross server sell and noone else that isn't Farming will be playing with them.
After reviewing this possiblity of what will happen the Ebayers will return to thier old servers and resume selling the way they were before. End case will show you all are fussing about something that will not effect you long term or short, it will drop on your current servers then pick back up. Either way if you don't do it or support it you will be uneffected by the move.
Side thought: I read here someone asking if Sony will be turning over their logs to the IRS for taxes but why should they if EBAY dosen't do it??
Macer
I they (sony) have all the Ebayers move to a spiecal server(s) to sell freely, who will they sell to?? Last I checked most of you all who do this will move, while those who don't will stay on their current servers, which mean that the Ebayers will have to sell to themselves seeing they can not cross server sell and noone else that isn't Farming will be playing with them.
After reviewing this possiblity of what will happen the Ebayers will return to thier old servers and resume selling the way they were before. End case will show you all are fussing about something that will not effect you long term or short, it will drop on your current servers then pick back up. Either way if you don't do it or support it you will be uneffected by the move.
Side thought: I read here someone asking if Sony will be turning over their logs to the IRS for taxes but why should they if EBAY dosen't do it??
Macer
While I don't play EQ2 I will hope for the best for all of you. Heck even the people who hate EQ2 are probably hoping this flops big time.
Though I would hope that if you create a character or move a character to an "Exchange Server" that the character is flagged in a manner that only allows that character to move on another "Exchange server". Therefore never allowing the character to return to the Non-Exchange Servers.
Though I would hope that if you create a character or move a character to an "Exchange Server" that the character is flagged in a manner that only allows that character to move on another "Exchange server". Therefore never allowing the character to return to the Non-Exchange Servers.
Yep they've said once you move to Exchange, there's no coming back.
Bluie wrote:
Yep they've said once you move to Exchange, there's no coming back.
Well, that at least is a good thing.
I'm also glad to hear that it won't come to the regular servers. Maybe those of us who don't want to buy our way to the top will still be able to play our game the way we enjoy it.
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