Bad experience with guild last nightFollow

Wanted to share this and see what others think. Last night the guild decided to put some nek castle groups together. To keep it as short as possible I was one of the first people to show up and ended up standing around with /lfg tag on for over a hour while the late comers showed up. Finnally everybody gets there and after a few minutes I notice everybody but myself no longer has a LFG tag on. So I say I am still lfg and I get a tell saying "Sorry but group 2 needed a healer we don't have room for you." Now I know you obviously need a healer, but what bugs me is one of the last people to show up for this event was in group 2 and they was the exact same class as me, only 3 levels higher. So they can not tell me the healer took me spot. So I told the guild I think this is a bunch of crap because I was one of the first people to show up, have waited for over a hour and now I am the only one without a spot.

Well at this point I guess somebody had to go so they had me a spot open up. So I join up and we are all set to go in. Well for reasons unknown while the group zoned into nek I crash to the desktop. I quickly come back and of course I am back in Nek woods and the group is inside nek castle. I sent the group leader a tell and told them what happened and they said they can't zone out cause if they did they wouldn't be able to zone back in. I have hunted this zone many times and the only time I have ever heard of it locking you out is if you have gotten really deep into the dungeon and started killing mobs for some quest. I know within 3 minutes they had not gotten that far. Even if for some reason they had started a quest that prevented this, they had to have known a group member was missing. I was back in within no more then 3 minutes.

So I tell her you don't get locked out of this zone and I even zoned in and out a couple of times to prove it didn't. Still they refused to come back outside and invite me so that I could come in. They claimed it would take 30 minutes to get back into the zone. Even in pick up groups I have zoned in and out of there and never been locked out and I have several quests inside this zone. Of course I am quite sure if the healer or tank had crashed to the desktop there would have been no problem with this even if they had to wait 30 minutes to go back in.

Anyways I told the guild I was upset, as Im sure anybody would be in this situation and I logged off (it was late anyways).

Perhaps I might have blown up a little too much, but I think I had every right to be upset in this situation? First they try to give me spot away to somebody of the same class who shows up late, then that.

I would have been really pissed. That doesn't sound like much guild unity to me. I have had my guild wait while I left the house and picked up my kids from school. That's at least 30 minutes. Sounds like they treat you worse than a pickup group. Might be time to look for another guild.

There's 2 sides to everything.

From a raid leaders perspective, nothing worse than 1 guy holding up 20 or more people. So the RL probably wishes the guy would be courteous and just accept that it didn't happen this time.

From the raider's perspective, you were more than on time, you had a problem and crashed to desktop. Unless its a hard core raid guild, they should be willing to accept that.

Problem 1: there wasn't apparently a raid leader, since you say you talked to your group leader. As a raid leader (in EQ1, not EQ2) I really hated a group deciding things without consultation. If there's a raid leader, that's who things should be communicated with, especially anything that holds up the raid.

Problem 2: the people didn't know anything about the zone they were raiding. One of the primary rules of raiding is read up on the zone. Don't show up, online, and say "oh where are we going, and how do I get there?" Drives everyone else batty. But again, depends on the orientation of the guild (family oriented, vs raid oriented). Depends on how serious they are about their raiding. Obviously seriously enough to let you hang.

Although I think you handled it less than optimally, I do think that so did the raid. You should sit down and discuss it with the GL, once you are calm enough to do so.

The only thing you did wrong, and that depends a ton on the type of guild, is by not accepting that you were holding up the raid and just leaving. But, if it styles itself as a family oriented guild, then you shouldn't have, and then you didn't do anything wrong.

So the big question is then Fronglo, is the guild leader going to do anything about it?

Do you guys have a website or did he say he'd speak to the person involved?

You wouldn't want to be sending tells about stuff like this to your GL during the event but now that he knows about it, you could certainly let an officer know if this happens again, so they can fix it at the time.

I certainly wouldn't sit lfg for an hour and watch everyone else get grouped. Just send a friendly tell to an officer if it happens again. Only one though.

some guild!!!! a guild is supposed to be kinda like your family on the game... cmon if you cant rely on family.. who do you have left to turn to!? I would drop that guild like a hot potatoe because thats just sick, if i know of the zone you are talking about then its true youc an get right back in... but perhaps im thinking of something else

I /agree with gossamer. For hard-core raids, they can't wait if someone falls off.

And you are right, if a tank or healer fell off, they would probably wait. They are somewhat more critical to a group than the rest of us dime-o-dozen DPS'ers.

Just by getting there early does not guarentee a spot. The raid make-up is more important. Healer, then tank, fill in with DPS'ers. It also depends on what the raid goal is. And if there is a timer or lockout, then there is no argument.

--- But that is for the hard-core raid guilds ---

In a family/casual guild, they should have ensured everyone is included, even if that means going back to get someone. To get the earring, they should have come back to get you.

Maybe suggest to the GL to create another raid/group to help you and others that did not get the earring. Those that already have the earring can go along for the exp. If he declines, that would be a significant reason to leave.

In our guild, we frequently have folks spending time helping lowbies. This weekend I spent 2 hours in the riverbed in TS helping a guildmate and his group get their remaining AQ5 mobs. 3 casters and a healer. Go figure! Barely a tick of exp for me, but that was not the point... :)