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#1 Mar 12 2005 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
Hi ya'll. I'm a 16th lvl druid. Fighting in BB the other day, the tank kept asking for a ward before going into battle. I have NO idea what spell he wanted. I just threw regen on him, hoping that's what he meant. Do we have a "ward" at this level? We also had a summoner who was casting a spell before fights on him. Could she have been casting some type of ward? Please clarify this for me. If I have a ward I should be using and I'm not using it, I'm not doing my job! Your help is appreciated.

Lilli
#2 Mar 12 2005 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
Wards are used by the shaman line, which that spell your group member was casting on him, I believe was either a short duration dot, or short duration buff, for stats, and/or resists.
#3 Mar 12 2005 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Also, you might want to reconsider putting a regen spell on the tank before the pull as it is likely to cause the aggro to go immediately to you. Wards and reactive heals (clerics) do not do that -- well at least they don't as of now. My understanding is eventually that will be changed to give the hate to the shaman and cleric.

On another related note -- I do hate when the tank tells me what to cast and how to heal. Next time I would tell him "don't worry about it, you're alive aren't ya" -- or words to that effect.
#4 Mar 16 2005 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
LOL I hear that... only thing worse than ignorant people is bossy ignorant people ^_^

My cleric is always getting ripped on for nuking too much. Nevermind that Vitae and MoP keeps everyone healed up full and I have all this mana to spare (and that includes debuffs and saving 2 bubs for emergencies).

The only time people should be bossing the cleric is if people are getting eaten up. Otherwise, whatever he/she is doing is working, so keep your trap shut and pull!

/rant off
#5 Mar 20 2005 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
Right now if you cast ward before he goes into combat - should be same for regen then youa re ok on aggro - kick it off in combat and you could be in a world of hurt. Make sure that they understand druid dont have wards - not everyone understands the other classes and Shamans and druids have distinctly different methods of operation. Also if you are a Shaman - use the single rather then the group ward if you only have one tank - only kickoff the group ward if he cant hold aggro - much more mana efficient or if multiple adds start piling up. At that point save your mana and be prepared to reapply about 7 sec from end of the first ward...
#6 Mar 21 2005 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I might be misunderstanding what you are saying. If so, apologies in advance. But, in playing my Defiler and my Fury I do see a difference. If I cast a ward (Defiler) before combat [that is before any mob is engaged], I do not get aggro when the tank gets hit. On the other hand, if I cast a regen (Fury) before combat, when the tank gets hit the aggro goes immediately to me. On the other hand, if I cast either immediately after the tank has engaged but before the tank builds up aggro, in both instances the aggro goes to me the healer. This is true for my Inquisitor as well with reactive heals.
#7 Mar 21 2005 at 11:32 PM Rating: Decent
My understanding is that the " Ward " is a way of protecting against melee damage .
Possibly by increasing AC a huge amount or mitigating the damage somehow.

Regeneration is a Heal over time ..two different things .
I believe thats why you dont get agro for casting a Ward as a Shaman . But you DO get agro for casting a healing regen.
Another interesting thing . When you cast Ward on someone ..It doesnt break the HO sequence . But when you cast a heal on the tank or whomever , it does break the HO
#8 Mar 23 2005 at 7:14 AM Rating: Decent
Thanks ya'll. I think it's possible he didn't understand what spells I was capable of giving him. I should have taught him instead of doubted myself. The problem is that I created this character on the "wrong" server so I rarely play her. I'm not too sure of her myself. I love playing her but when someone says something like that before each battle "Throw your ward please!" I tend to think he may know more about my character than I do. I don't think that's true. I make sure I study these boards, study my spells and play her at least once a week so I don't lose "the feel" of her.

On the whole, my druid is a blast. Thank ya'll very much for giving me a little more confidence to let someone know next time instead of keeping my mouth shut and stumbling for a spell.

Lilli
#9 Apr 09 2005 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
Wards will gain you agro like a heal if you cast them once the tank has engaged. (lesson learned, do not ask) But if you cast them before the tank engages they just act like any other buff and do not gain agro. As a shaman I use them in place of healing in most encounters. I can stack them and basically my tank will just never take any damage. The time between them allows me to slow and dot and such which I can not do if I am trying to outright heal.

Normally it goes:
Ward - before engage
Mob Pull
Slow
Slow
Refresh Ward
Weak
Heroic
Dot
Dot
Refresh ward

From there I am golden.
#10 Apr 16 2005 at 4:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I appreciate this thread alot. It helped me straighten out the whole ward vs regen thing in my head. Pshhh, I didn't know if druids had wards or not, who had em, what they were, etc etc. before reading this. Thanks to all who contributed!
#11 Apr 19 2005 at 7:05 AM Rating: Good
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I love Ward, literally triples my health. This is one spell I'm going to spring for the Adept III if I have the money.

App I only shields you for barely two hundred at maximum skill, Adept III more than doubles it for a slight increase in power [29 -> 31 for me]
#12 Jun 10 2005 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
I play a 25 Inquistitor and have found that for the cleric classes it is a huge waste of power to cast reactives on your tank before a pull in a general experience grinding group. The reason for not doing this is the reactive heals for a set amount each hit, not for whatever the mob hit you for. An example would be, a mob hits your tank for 80 dmg, your reactive activates and the current level of it heals for say 135hp each time, you have just wasted power because you dont get the full benifit from the heal. I am finding that there are many cleric healers that throw the reactive on right away and end up using extreme amounts of power per pull.
now for wards yeah throw them on in the beginning, because of the very nature of the spell, and i dont know how the druid really work. Just felt like pointing this out sense the topic seemed to open to many things about healing.
#13 Jun 27 2005 at 3:57 AM Rating: Good
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Maybe someone will post a thread in the Fighter forums about the difference between the cleric, druid and shaman styles of healing. Especially how it's nice to have 2 of either class {I'm voting for Shaman + Cleric/Druid but I'm biased}.
#14 Jul 06 2005 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Well I play a Defiler now. And so far it's hard for me to find a group. Do you other Defilers have a hard time as well? The only thing I can account it to is our name. Defiler. It sounds like a DPS class vs a healer class. And I'm not sure how many people know that a defiler is a healer of the shaman subclass. I play on AB. Wouldn't think that would have anything to do with not finding a group but not sure.

I love my defiler though. My friend pick at me sometimes since "I'm not a real healer" but it's only in jest. But me and a druid in my guild when we are grouped pretty much we don't have to worry about anyone dieing. We kill the mob way too fast. Here's our typical group makeup. Me, Fury, Brigand(evil rougue if that's not the correct one), Gaurdian, and depending on who's on either another Gaurdian or Bruiser or Shadow Knight. Yeah we kick some serious mob butt. When the Gaurdian pulls, or Brigand(?) first thing I do is slow the mob. To me it doesn't make sense to cast a ward and have the ward eaten up by an unslowed mob before I can get a slow on it. Then I'll ward the tank, unless I got agro from the slow then I'll ward me. Of course that gives me more agro but it's eating my ward up and leaving everyone else alone. The gaurdian can get it off me no problem though so I'm not worried about it. Being only 26 I don't have a lot of offensive spells but enough to get me by. I normally can't get past a ward and maybe two dots befor any given mob is down. Sometimes if we are doing good I won't even ward or slow just offensive spells.
#15 Jul 14 2005 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
The whole outlook from a shaman is preventative then reactive...A ward will cover more hitpoints for less power then a heal...if you have to out right heal with no time to slow...its a loosing battle and youll have aggro fast...but as was stated earlier ward before battle starts and you can slow pretty quick..and then just cont ward updates. will make your life a whole lot easier if you start out by telling the group that. My tanks will basically ask for the ward either by saying ward or by having a double pull macro. That way you are assured of not getting aggro by casting AS he pulls lol.

Another point in fact because of the wards...for direct heals the mystic can actually cover more damage then the cleric. So by warding you really end up being the main healer. I find that clerics tend to get way more aggro as most of their spells are group heals.

At level 45 when we get our pet...though brief he does basically give a group health regen of 31 per tick for about 6 tics..not to long...but definetly helps. Especially since its group.

The problem with mystics and probably the other priest class...is that the armor is not imbued with enough wisdom..fully group buffed I have a wisdom of 145 atm...and my strength is 209 and my stamina is 155...go figure...maybe in the future they will fix this...and the bad thing is we are about to get nerfed... :( I think they will be taking perry away from us...a bad thing for us tanking mystics...who actually are pretty good..for the most part..except that we cant taunt...

prettykitty
45 mystic crushbone
#16 Jul 15 2005 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
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Be a rat. At least when you're not some amorphous inky cloud of smoke but instead, a cute and high-pitched squeaker of a rat, you might look more like a priest class.

Or advertise as Priest level 26 or Shaman level 26.

BTW, if the mobs are that easy, maybe it's time you start tackling harder ones [or groups of harder mobs]. Wait a minute, didn't you say you had a hard time getting a group? ^ ^

PS 26? About time you did the Zek access quest anyway.
#17 Jul 19 2005 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
Someone said above:

"you might want to reconsider putting a regen spell on the tank before the pull as it is likely to cause the aggro to go immediately to you."

I just want to clarify. If you do ANY spell BEFORE the pull, you generate absolutely NO aggro. That is the time to buff and ward safely. It is after the pull during the fight that you gain aggro through those actions. You are totally safe placing a regen spell on someone before a battle. ~big smile~

And Follier, I have the opposite problem. People have yelled at me for conserving power for healing and not nuking in a fight. You just can't please everyone! It seems a lot of tanks have their own idea of how they should be healed, regardless of our own knowledge and ability.

For the most part I group with my guild and have no issues, as everyone knows I am a compitent healer. But when I have gone outside of the guild I have encountered people with attitudes.

At (or abouts) level 22 I was given a Master Bestowal of Vitae. What does this mean? That no one ever died when they were with me. It was very powerful, and the only thing I ever needed to cast. So powerful, that I held it in reserve until the last possible moment or it was just a waste. This got me yelled at several times by nervous tanks. I would say, "Look, has anyone died? No. Calm down! I know what I am doing!" Half the time my assurances just weren't good enough.

Like I said, you can't please everyone. ~sigh~
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