Rare Materials and Market PricingFollow

You should see our server....tier 2 rares sell for 15-17gp, tier 3 25-30 gp. The economy depends on server population.
Do the prices justify the reward? In my opinion, no, but, people buy them and i sell them :)

Man, and I thought my server was bad. I have recently spoke with several people that whine about not being able to sell their rare materials. They say that nobody is buying, blah blah blah. And when I tell them that I think they are charging too much, they flame me. Oh well. If people pick em up for those prices thats great I guess. Anybody able to verify the opposite end? Cheep Rares? I just might kill all my characters and move servers lol.

BTW, love the Fighter avatar Commander :P

I actually have a silver cluster in my bank that I have been debating on what to do with. On Toxxulia I believe they sell for between 8-10gp. I personally think that is an insane amount however compared to 25-40gp that some of you are talking about, 8gp sounds like a steel. I could see a more realistic price for silver being 4-5gp with the resulting spell selling for 6-7gp tops. That sounds more fair to me. However, I don't set the market I just follow it and I will sell my item for roughly the same amount as the average price.

Would it be fun if everyone was able to buy the best spells and armor? no!
Thats why it is good they are rare and expensive imo.
You have to work alot to be able to aford it.

IMO, it should be even rarer then it is = more expensive.

This is something that I brought up sometime ago as well.
I sold a Silver Cluster to someone for 50sp. And I just made the persons day. I also sold the same person a Bronze Cluster for the same price.

To me, if you want to get a better deal on the Items that are for sale just message the person selling it. You just never now. You might have to message alot of people or you might hit the Jackpot on the first try.

Oh, And for the Tunable Player Made armour, I was seeing getting sold for about 80 sp to 2gp (freeport) on the server that I play on. To Bad I didn't have the money to get the stuff :(.

Great input, thanks folks.



I guess I can KINDA sypathize with the everybody having the best gear idea, thats what ruined EQ1 (again IMHO) But on the same hand, we are talking about a Tier 2 rare, Antonica/Commonlands, selling for 10-35g... thats rediculous. So what does that lucky sucker do if they find/sell for that rate? Go out and by the best attunable gear they can find. So your argument is self defeating. As far as More Rare..... If you can havest from every node, tier 1-4, for 8 hours a day, and not find ONE let alone one of each, thats pretty damn rare. I would have to say 4-5g would be perfect for coral/silver, maybe 1-2 for blackened/unsullied/sisal, etc. As far as Tier 3 resources go, as of yet there arent THAT many people who have the ability/levels to go havest them, thus making rares even rarer lol. And tier 4, well, yeah. You are more likely to get them off a named in CoB or RoV than to harvest them. Anywho, still havent heard about any servers where rares arent so rare... perhaps they dont exist after all :) or MAYBE you just dont want to tell me, mwahahaa... er sorry, thats what happens when the evil AI in my head speaks up. L8er

Edited, Wed Feb 16 12:42:27 2005 by MathiasIV

Couldnt agree more :) I threw up an Opal for 50g and was stunned when it sold 10 minutes later. Only reason I didnt keep it was the fact that I would have had to find a tier 4 alchy who could refine it, and that would have cost me an arm and a leg, then I probably would have had the Adept III sitting on my merchant for weeks before a level 50 sybarite came along and ate it up because he/she didnt have anything else to spend a plat on.

hmm.. well it's interesting since I was discussing this about two days ago..

there are several things we can assume and for the most part be correct in this assumption, the main one being simply this: People are inherently greedy.

the crafter will often complain about the cost of rare materials.. and it is a justified complaint, however, if the going rate for an Adept III high level spell is 60 gold, and the crafter in question somehow manages to get ALL the raw materials and combines needed to make that Adept III for a grand total of 10 gold... I defy you to find the crafter who is NOT going to sell the spell at 60 gold and enjoy a nice fat 50 gold profit margin.

prime example of this: Tuber Strands.. true not a rare harvest in the slightst.. however hear me out. On Oasis Tuber Strands are now down to between 1 and 5 copper... There is literally no point in harvesting them for the adventurer other than increasing harvesting skill.. However, the price for robes and other such items has not dropped one red cent. The ONLY time you will see a price reduction is when someone has done a session of grinding crafting XP and is selling about 10 of them just to get rid of them.



unfortunately no it will not....
in theory if sellers drop the price of raws, crafters drop the price of finished goods.

in reality sellers drop the price of raws, crafters keep the price of finished goods right where they are (or go higher to increase profit margin) because they *KNOW* they can get the current market price on it, and the buyer has NO idea how much or little the crafter paid for raws..... afterall why drop the price and cut into your profit margin if you don't have to? and since the current market will pay say.. 60gold for something it took you 10 gold to make... hello profit.

though this situation is not technically a "fact" it's so blatantly obvious that this is the way of things it might as well be labled a "pseudo-fact" or in the loosest definition an "EXTREME" probability.

this is the reason why crafters have to pay *EXTREME* amounts of money for someone elses "Lucky Strike". They (non-crafters) see the finished product selling for 60+gold and figure well heck, if it sells for that much then these guys are rich and can afford 15gold for this dinky little rock. However the result of this is.....

since the price of the raw is SOOO high, that lowers the profit margin, therefore.. it is the nature of the average individual to pass that extra cost onto the consumer.. so that Adept III spell that WAS selling for 60gold, is now selling for 80 or 90 gold.

and violla.. we have rampant inflation. As the price for the finished good goes up.. people will charge more for the raw because people think the crafter can easily afford it and they eventually would like to be able to afford that 80gold Adept III as well.... Not realizing they themselves are part of the reason why the price is so high to begin with.

solutions or so they seem...:

well obviously.. join a guild and join a big one... the more people the more likely you are to have a guild member who finds that "lucky strike". Since most guild members cut each other a break.. that's your best bet for keeping cost on all production low but your profit margin high.

let person X overcharging for item Y sit on it in his inventory for a while.. after several weeks of no sale *THEN* the price will go down quite likely to something much more resonable... for the average adventurer these trinkets and rocks are nice for possible big money.. but overchargers will get more reasonable after having it sit for a month.

HOWEVER, these are solutions which will help the crafter keep production cost down... which will in turn create an inflated price for the finished goods.. and since crafters will be literally buying low and selling high.. the current price structure in the market will remain unchanged.

as I said, people are inhreently greedy.

the ONLY thing that will alter the price structure for finished goods is competition.. competition that can produce the SAME item at the lowerst cost that is willing to take a hit to the final production numbers and sell that Adept III for 40gold.. Undercutting but still adequately lining the coffers.

will it happen?? Truth be told not likely. It would require someone with enough economic, marketing, and leadership savvy to organize such a guild and make it run smoothly.. However, should a guild named "Wal-Mart" or "Target" suddenly appear then there's hope, until that time.. I suspect the market for finished goods isn't going anywhere anytime soon.. regardless of how little raws may eventually sell for and because of this, the price for rare's are, and will likely always be, extreme.

Edited, Mon Feb 21 10:26:41 2005 by Iaini

Just to give an example for the OP.
On my server silver and coral sell for 15-25 gold... and the adepts of course turn out to sell for 20-40 gold .
Its absurd , ive pretty much quit buying the stuff altogether until people get their greed under control .

well i disagree with the "cost of the book " factor because people try to make back the cost of the book all in one sale . I dont mind paying for the cost of the book as long as its a fraction of the cost . But the simple fact is that people are pricing in a way to try to get back the cost of their book + time in one sale . That way they can get started on their profit margin sooner .

Another thing is that people should be able to craft adept2s (which i havent even seen in game yet) . that would help out alot .

As a tradeskiller, I never buy rares for a customer. If a customer wants something rare made, they can buy the rare and bring it to me to make an item with. Heck, I charge the exact same amount to make a rare as a common when you bring me the rare.

I'm really thinking of turning my High Quality Pelt into a sheath for throwing knives for myself just to annoy everyone. Unless I stumble across an oak while harvesting.

And I have to admit, I spent 15g for 2 T1 rares to get adepts made from. But I didn't do that until I hit T3, and found out that those skills never max out and never get replacements. Then it seemed worth it to dump too much money on them. After all, I'll be using them forever.

I agree 100%.....IF you buy your own rare. If you are just buying from a broker, then, by not taking the time to put yourself in a better buying position, you deserve what you get. It take little effort to befriend a tradeskiller who can help you out, and to buy your own rare only takes the up front cash.

As to the other poster......I dont see why you believe it is OK for an adventurer to make 15 gold and the tradeskiller should only make 3 gold. Try and remember that it is the buyer who sets the market, not the seller.

Ask yourselves...why doesnt the adventurer just start there own tradeskiller and make their own spells? Thats easy....they don't want to spend the time....which in turn puts a value on the time spent to get to the level it takes to make the spells the adventurer needs.

Some people are not willing to be friendly, and in turn this is the price they pay. This is a game that encourages guilds and groups and if this is not a part of the game that you are interested in...guess what....you will spend more money on damn near everthing.....and you will have no one to blame but yourself.