Last night, I was playing as my level 20 monk. I was grouped with a level 24 Templar, a level 21 Wizard, and a level 24 Guardian. We were killing animated scarecrows in TS. Now, we were talking while waiting for respawns, when a scarecrow popped beside the wizard and aggro'd her. The Guardian must have went afk or wasn't paying attention, because he did nothing to take the aggro from the Wizard. I began taunting, shouting, etc, attempting (and eventually succeeding) to gain aggro. Once the scarecrow was dead, the Templar began arguing with me, saying I should have let the Wizard tank. This made absolutely no sense to me, seeing as how I had more AC and HP than the Wizard, and I was able to get hit less since I can dodge blows. I was just wondering, why would the Templar want the Wizard to tank over a Monk? She said something about "you don't get hit as much so my vitae don't pop off enough", but I thought not getting hit as much was a good thing, since that would mean she would have to heal less.
Any ideas what was going on?
Edited, Tue Feb 8 09:37:38 2005 by allysamoore
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LOL Let the wizard tank? over a monk?
You shouldn't title this "Templars please read" because this is not a Templar issue, but a "dumb player" issue.
Ohmygoodness, Monks make very good tanks, due to avoidance...
The templar should have tanked long before the wizard! After all, we are made to take hits!
Just my opinion
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You shouldn't title this "Templars please read" because this is not a Templar issue, but a "dumb player" issue.
Ohmygoodness, Monks make very good tanks, due to avoidance...
The templar should have tanked long before the wizard! After all, we are made to take hits!
Just my opinion
Gynnel
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My friend it appears as though you came across not only the dumbest templar ever, but probably the dumbest player ever. Let a wizard tank, gimme a break.
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Templar began arguing with me, saying I should have let the Wizard tank.
0_o... I'm not quite sure that that Templar was smoking but it's GOOD stuff.. Perhaps they mistook Pristine Isonoid Loam for something else.. O_O;
About Vitae not popping, I believe she was talking about her heal spell that basically heals when you get hit. She was basically thinking that since the wizard gets hit more, her heals would go off more, and that was somehow more efficient.
Not defending this person, just trying to figure out her reasoning. Wizards aren't nearly as bad a tank in this game as they were in EQ1 (IMHO, I haven't played one, but one of my friends does), but a monk is so much better a tank than any skirt wearer, this sort of reasoning is almost completely baffling.
Not defending this person, just trying to figure out her reasoning. Wizards aren't nearly as bad a tank in this game as they were in EQ1 (IMHO, I haven't played one, but one of my friends does), but a monk is so much better a tank than any skirt wearer, this sort of reasoning is almost completely baffling.
If what you say is correct then I would have to agree that the priest is a moron; however, I have seen cases, where if a wizard (or anyone for that matter) isn't listening to the group - for example, he keeps over-nuking or something similar - the priest might have been rightly getting an attitude of 'fine, he won't listen, just let him tank the next one'.
Granted, that's not the best thing to do, but I would rather get a 1% debt than fight something and have a whole group wipe because some jackass wasn't listening to the group.
All of that is just conjecture, I wasn't there and I do not know what happened, but to think a priest, or anyone, would seriously believe that a wizard should tank instead of a fighter a few levels lower is sorta retarded.
Then again, I can see having the wizard tank if the mob he is tanking is a caster as well. Low melee output, high magic output. Mages of higher levels SHOULD be able to resist the magic attacks without a problem, when compared to a lower level fighter.
Not enough information to make a judgement on the situation.
Granted, that's not the best thing to do, but I would rather get a 1% debt than fight something and have a whole group wipe because some jackass wasn't listening to the group.
All of that is just conjecture, I wasn't there and I do not know what happened, but to think a priest, or anyone, would seriously believe that a wizard should tank instead of a fighter a few levels lower is sorta retarded.
Then again, I can see having the wizard tank if the mob he is tanking is a caster as well. Low melee output, high magic output. Mages of higher levels SHOULD be able to resist the magic attacks without a problem, when compared to a lower level fighter.
Not enough information to make a judgement on the situation.
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my alt is a templar and my wifes alt is a monk and well I have to Say that my reactive heals work just fine though with a monk you have to mix things up a bit more with the normal heals combined with reactive heals from time to time. More so than you would with any of the other tank classes. Sounds to me like this a case of a bad player.
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" My friend it appears as though you came across not only the dumbest templar ever, but probably the dumbest player ever. Let a wizard tank, gimme a break "
Heightserz: who are you addressing in your reply? because the templar who thought that the wizard should be a tank is not on this forum, but is a 3rd party in the OPs story.
Edited, Tue Feb 8 12:18:00 2005 by Lexas
Heightserz: who are you addressing in your reply? because the templar who thought that the wizard should be a tank is not on this forum, but is a 3rd party in the OPs story.
Edited, Tue Feb 8 12:18:00 2005 by Lexas
I know, and I was saying that the 3rd party templar is a moron.
yeah i find that alot of cleric types focus alot on how often their BoV procs , when in actuality , BoV wont do squat for someone who can only take 3-4 hits b4 dying .
You just had an in-experienced templar in your midst. Thats all , kudos to you for saving that wizzies life and getting aggro . You did what you were supposed to do .
You just had an in-experienced templar in your midst. Thats all , kudos to you for saving that wizzies life and getting aggro . You did what you were supposed to do .
gxm, the Templar never let the Wizard know if the Wiz was over-nuking or not. The only conversation that took place after the scarecrow popped was that I should stop tanking and to allow the Mage to tank. I was only 1 level lower than the Wizard, and 2 lower than the scarecrow. Also, the scarecrow appeared only to do melee damage.
My thinking on it was, even if her heals don't heal me as often or as much, in general, I was getting hit less, therefore I'd have to be healed less.
My thinking on it was, even if her heals don't heal me as often or as much, in general, I was getting hit less, therefore I'd have to be healed less.
My main is a 23 Templar. Proccing less is a good thing. You don't focus on how often BoV procs, you focus on whether it's keeping the target alive. In my experience that wizard would have dropped faster than BoV would heal, and it would be gone in no time (4 procs max) and she's have to cast it again.
I like to start a fight with Soothing Sermon (group BoV) and put a BoV on the MT and whoever else might be getting hit. Even then, with two radiant heals proccing if a robe wearer gets aggro they go down too fast.
She should have cast Arch Healing on the wiz then meleed and nuked to steal aggro and tanked herself. If she had decent plate armor she'd last longer than either of you.
Please tell me she wasn't sitting in the back and medding during your fights...
I like to start a fight with Soothing Sermon (group BoV) and put a BoV on the MT and whoever else might be getting hit. Even then, with two radiant heals proccing if a robe wearer gets aggro they go down too fast.
She should have cast Arch Healing on the wiz then meleed and nuked to steal aggro and tanked herself. If she had decent plate armor she'd last longer than either of you.
Please tell me she wasn't sitting in the back and medding during your fights...
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If she had decent plate armor she'd last longer than either of you.
Just wanted to reply to this. Templars wearing plate armor does not equal ability to tank over a fighter wearing light armor. I duo almost exclusively with a monk. If *I* am getting hit, I am taking more damage than he would be. Because I am not a tank. I don't have the sort of mitigation, avoidance, blocking...TANK abilities...that the monk (yes they are tanks) does. Therefore I drop like a stone to mobs that that would drop him maybe 20%. Armor type doesn't make the tank. This is why they changed the AC numbers: to better reflect actual AC. My husband (the monk) has higher AC than I do, despite my plate armor, because of all the other factors added into a tank's AC. So my armor will keep me safer than other non tank types in light (or less) armor, but not safer than a monk.
To the OP, yes that templar was an idiot. Sure the BoV would be used to its full capacity on the wizard. But I'd rather have a wasted BoV and a victory, than an efficient BoV and a dead wizard.
Edited, Wed Feb 9 11:36:51 2005 by Grimina
Thanks for all the replies, I thought maybe I was just missing something when she told me to stop tanking.
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Templars wearing plate armor does not equal ability to tank over a fighter wearing light armor.
That's true (we're much better off than in EQ1, though) but I was also taking into account that she was 4 levels higher than the monk.
Edited, Wed Feb 9 13:25:38 2005 by Lydiaele
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To the OP, yes that templar was an idiot. Sure the BoV would be used to its full capacity on the wizard. But I'd rather have a wasted BoV and a victory, than an efficient BoV and a dead wizard.
You know, I really wonder how the wizard felt about all this lol.
If I was the wizard I'd be like "you want me to what? Are you nuts?"
The wizard seemed as confused as me
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