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now you are doing what you've been doing this whole post, making stuff up. You haven't even tried it so you would have no idea if they added up, now would you?

None of your "20 posts" that I need to respond to have any clear question...

If you really feel that I am dodging your questions, please by all means, post a compilation of JUST the questions you want answers to. I will be happy to answer them.

Yeah, tried this out extensively last night, and for a fighter class there is no change whatsoever. No change in your skill stats, and no difference in combat. Like I said it could be a hidden modifier of somekind, but even the EQ2 Help File doesn't indicate that it effects spell evasion. WIS effects Priests power pool.



Aegis of the Guardian gives no WIS. I do use shields so I know.


Edited, Fri Feb 11 08:03:51 2005 by Heightserz

DIRECT QUESTION: HOW DOES SOMEONE LIKE YOU WHO KNOWS OH SO MUCH MORE THAN ME EXPLAIN THE ABOVE????


Big surprise, GXM wrote another 3 screen post. Don't critique my writing technique while you are blabbing on and on in one of your novels. You don't have to quote everything you know. And if you have problems reading block text, you have a lot more to worry about then stat mods. This is the exact reason why I'm getting testy with you, because you talk down to me like you know something I don't. Anyone who actually performs the experiments the way i've laid them out can and will see that I know what I'm talking about. Anyone else can **** off. Let me clarify something to you, I don't give a rat's *** about credibility. If someone chooses not to listen to me, thats their prerogative. THat goes for you too. If you disagree, say so once then shut your mouth. You have nothing to prove and no reason to keep arguing. It takes a real small minded individual to blindly argue everything without even opening his tiny mind to the possibility that he may be wrong. I tried what you said and it was all messed up.



DIRECT QUESTION: WHAT SPELLS DOES A GUARDIAN HAVE THAT INT WILL APPLY TO? As far as I'm aware, Guardians use COMBAT ARTS, not spells.



DIRECT QUESTION: SINCE WHEN DOES STR INCREASE MELEE HIT POSSIBILITY? Last I've heard, and I believe is stated on every EQ2 site and in the manual, AGI increases your melee hit possibility.

Is that simple enough for you rainman? I mean come on, you are just making yourself look bad. I have no idea what you are trying to prove, but if anyone bothered to actually read this whole thing they would think that this is an argument between Stephen Hawking and Corky.

Edited, Fri Feb 11 10:01:23 2005 by Heightserz

Edited, Fri Feb 11 10:07:15 2005 by Heightserz

To which I already answered:


The level 18 choice, I had confused with another choice. That was a mistake on my part, but I explained that there are other choices. Even still the small additional STA added does not make a huge difference as you are adamant that it does.

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The explanation that it effects spells landing is confusing, I will give you that. What it means is it effects Spells and Combat Arts and their ability to bypass enemy encounters resistances. For instance, when you Taunt, and it gets resisted. I could be wrong, but there must be SOMETHING that dictates if it resists or not. Be my guest to find out and prove me wrong that it does not effect that. The information I provided was from the SOE EQ2 message boards.

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I copied and pasted what was on the SOE boards. I have no doubt that strength is figured into the equasion, as is agility. Strength helps you achieve a higher damage within your current damage range. This argument is not about Strength though, so why you changed the subject is beyond me.

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To address your off-topic retort:



1. It appears I DO have to quote everything or you accuse me of not answering your questions.

2. I am not talking down to anyone, I am arguing my points, providing information, and doing so in a calm, non-aggressive manner.

3. Which experiments? Everything you have put forth has had zero data to back it up. Every equasion you have mentioned has not justified any numbers presented anywhere on this thread.

4. I would happily say so once, but you seem to not understand what I say and continue to attack me instead of providing numerical, or other, proof of your claims. This website is for providing information to players to use in-game to better their characters. So far I have not been the one blindly arguing points.

I have discussed things you have posted and provided a different explanation for how things work; then you go out on a tangent trying to discredit me using logical fallacies: Attacking the Person and Straw Man Fallacy.


You keep making this argument about me, when in fact the argument at hand is simply, "Any race can play any class effectively".

I say "yes", you say "no". We provide information supporting our theories in regards to that argument.

I mearly stated at the end of one of my argumentative posts, that you should construct your paragraphs in a more organized mannor. I did not use that to discredit you, but to inform you that the information you are providing could not be properly extracted. This was my defense for you accusing me of "dodging questions". That is the only reason for that - I did not discredit you in any way by stating that; nor have I resorted scynical remarks.

I have no problems arguing my points here, I believe it is good to argue points. I am always open to being wrong. I have been wrong many times in the past, and I am sure I will again be wrong in the future. I have just not seen any proof of what you are claiming in the posts you have made.

Again to reitterate:

Given that any race can wear any armor or weapons combination within X class, where X is the same for both compared races. Also given, armor and weapon combinations are able to enhance a characters stats in a multitude of ways. Can any compared race effectively play class X, with potentially equal outcomes?

My answer is "yes".

You didn't "merely state" anything. You have blabbed on and on even though you are wrong. I have put it plain as day how to find out what I am saying is correct. You have chosen not to use it. Now just to get away with it you claim I haven't given you any hard data. Give me a freakin' break. It is all above. Take the time and reread but don't tell me I haven't provided any hard data. You're the one who copies bullsh*t off of message boards and accepts them as fact. Don't try to argue with someone without concrete evidence, you just end up looking foolish like you do now.

And yes every race can pick STA at certain levels but not at 18. Only certain races can, NOT RATS! I said level 18, as in a racial traits level. That too is plain as day. So be a man and admit you f'd up.

The reason I've had to attack you is because you do talk down and you don't follow basic debate philosophy: Address every part of your competitions argument. You bypass what you can't explain in hopes that I will forget. And you do talk down GXM. Its not for you to decide if you are talking down, it is for the reader. How I interpret it is a direct reflection of how you wrote it.

I see now you are saying that even though you quoted that INT affects Spell Casting, you know in your vast wisdom and expert training that it really means Spell Casting ANDCombat arts. And true, the argument isn't about STR, but it just shows how ignorant you are. For that matter the argument wasn't really about STA either if you remember, it is about race mattering. I chose to use STA as an example and you followed along. Just because the argument isn't about STR, doesn't mean that you can be inaccurate (which you were so again, be a big man and admit it).

So lets see, you are blaming message boards for the inaccuracies even though YOU chose to quote it. You are claiming that even though its not stated, that what YOUR OWN QUOTE said actually means Combat Arts too. Sounds like a lot of excuses to me.

How did you admit you were wrong? You made excuses that:



Excuses aren't admitting that you are wrong. They are excusing you ignorance. Writing "I apologize, I was mistake" or something along those lines is admitting you are wrong.

And just saying "I do not talk down" and "I do use basic debate philosophy" doesn't prove a point. All it does it show that you can restate my statements in a way that (weakly) attempts to make you look better.

Final post on this thread for me.

Please compare, and contrast these two characters:

Dark Elf Guardian
http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=115838108

Starting Stats - STR:13, AGI:23, STA:15, INT:26, WIS:23
Current Stats -
Health: 4,189
Power: 1,663
Attack: 714
Defense: 6,615

Strength: 88
Agility: 96
Stamina: 84
Intelligence: 68
Wisdom: 78


Barbarian Guardian
http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=218321205

Starting Stats - STR:25, AGI:20, STA:25, INT:12, WIS:18
Current Stats -
Health: 4,108
Power: 1,782
Attack: 803
Defense: 5,912

Strength: 118
Agility: 93
Stamina: 109
Intelligence: 39
Wisdom: 68



How does this happen according to you? Why does the Dark Elf have higher hitpoints if the barbarian has a current higher number STA, and had a higher STA as a starting stat?

They are both guardian... both the same level, yet the Dark Elf has higher Hit Points? OMG!?!?!?!

First of all you are so not funny. Second, and to answer you not funny question, THEY ARE WEARING DIFFERENT EQ! Is it hard to believe that the Dark Elf has maximized his potential with eq while the barb has not? That is the whole reason I said to compare them naked. Why must you make this so difficult? Maybe that is what you are arguing all together, that is one guy (with higher base stamina) is a complete idiot, and the other (with lower base stamina)is a good player, then the good player (and also the one with lower stamina) will be "just as good." Well no sh*t sherlock. We are talking everything else equal, race being the only deciding factor. Anyway, glad to see that is you last post.

Edited, Fri Feb 11 14:58:39 2005 by Heightserz

ah ty, see this is what I had tried to say something like 50-60 posts ago.



if he wore simular equip most likely he would not be playin his job as his race dictates to make the most of it

an thats it from me, this post went about 50 posts more than was needed

Read some of the posts and found the topic is interesting.

I am a lvl 30 Barb Guardian. And I also have a lvl 22 human guardian in the past.
The main reason that I abort the human is the looking. Meanwhile, I found little differences between them.

Besides your spell and actual level. As you know you gain specialize training or race ability once you reach certain level.

Check up your race ability seriously, they will affect your fighting style and final outcome including HP and defence issues.

Whatever EQ2 has maxmium level 50 only, you will find out SONY's style will promote tons of expansions as same as EQ1, so that tons of equipments and additional levels up to level 70 or even 100 in future. At final state, you'll find:-
1.) All people get MAX status ( EQ1 is 355 max stats by only wearing gears)
2.) In EQ1. The only different is the race, for instance. Orge can't be stun at front. Troll has special regen, Dark elf has ultra-see view, Human gain level faster...etc..
3.) In EQ1. HP issue is almost the most important part to each piece of armor. Why? Because most of the mob such as Plane of power. They melee hit like 5k and AE dot or DD is main cause. You have no right to sevive if your HP is low. Everyone is getting prepare to optimal their HP and resistance of magic

So that, in my point of view. If you're looking for long term play style in EQ2. You're recommanded to check your race ability, don't worry on your gear. You'll probabaly find your piece of armor do not valuable in one year. If you're not decide to stay in EQ2 for long, you're free to choose what you like at this moment.

Loved this thread. I do have a question though. I played eq1 for a few years and I'm alittle new to this game but, don't alot of stats have a part in dealing and taking damage. For instance,

If you have more AGI you get hit less.
If you have more AC you get hit less or for less.
If you have greater resistances your get hit by spells for less damage.
If you have more STA you have more HP.

I know there are more factors that you can use in a battle but just listing a few. Ok, now why focus on STA and hitpoints so much? I know they are important and should be a concern but, if one tank has 30% more AC and AGI and more resists but less hp, would they have a better chance of living threw a battle? Or, are the other stats not as important as Sta for a warrior/tank type?

will quote moorgard on this



So yes race does indeed matter, is the troll the one for those big raids NO

You want a the trait the raise you defence by +5 that sets you a whole lvl above the mob you are fighting, and stat boost is NOT going to compare

Only classes to be offered this are human, iksar, ogre, barbarian and dwarfs

Other classes get softer stuff lige sta agi and such, the rat might even win over a troll cuz they get Swift Scury Avoidance as trait



But nice discussion, thanks for a good read

/cheers