Semi- rant about craftersFollow

Send me a tell in game (Anzak) I can make pretty much anything up to tier 2. I'm normally adventuring but I'm sure we can set up some time for me to make you a set of spells.

actually i was very polite in my request , it went like this "
Hail friend , i have some components i was wondering if you could combine for me ? Im looking to get the spell Smite app4 made. All components are pristine and ill also throw in 50sp for your time . lemme know what you think "

and the reply was " im busy and i dont have time for low level garbage , go find a newb "

now regardless you probably wont believe that , but thats how it went . I always try and put a friendly foot forward when im asking for something , only an idiot would try and request a service and be rude about it ..
And i didnt persist , that would be futile also , but its this kind of attitude that ive had to deal with when asking for any kind spells to be made . Like its my fault im not some uber crafter and can make it myself . Im not trying to say that i deserve their time but when i have the components and am willing to pay 50sp , geezus friggin christ would it kill ya to take a minute or two and just combine em ??

Edited, Tue Feb 1 14:28:43 2005 by Geocide

id be happy as a clam in mud if i got a responce like you stated .
I dont mind waiting , but bieng downright rude and bassically telling me to pissoff is just sad .
I believe i specified that i had the paper and such to one of them as well , i can see what your talking about . the first guy that was real rude may have thought i meant the tubers and cause i didnt specify . But the 2nd and 3rd i made sure to tell them what i had .They werent as rude but still the result was the same . I dunno i guess all im asking for is people to understand that there are people with a need for low level spells and I can understand not wanting to do it from scratch but if someone goes through the trouble of getting the items to make it , why not spread a little goodwill and make the blaste ditem for em ?

Interesting. If you were as polite as you said, and they were as rude as you said, then guess what? You ran into some total jerks. Its not uncommon. That's a real bummer.

I can't think of a time when I didn't respond politely to any polite request. The answer might be no, but it will be a polite no. "Sorry I really am not interested, but good luck" or something of that nature.

You are still assuming you have a right to other people's time though, you really need to think that over. Your 50s or 50 gp for that matter, may not be of interest to that person. Their time may be more valuable to them than your 50s, even for a mere couple of minutes. You need to learn to accept that different people value their time differently. You don't get to tell people how to spend their time.

If I only have a few minutes left and want to finish a set of combines, I will politely decline your request. I won't necessarily give you a long explanation of why, its really none of your business. Or maybe I need to go meet some friends and I have all this crap in my inventory, and if I finish a few more combines it will all fit back in the bank (this happens a lot :) ) Or a dozen other reasons why I can't help you right now. Maybe it never occurs to these folks that they could offer to help you later or tomorrow. I know it would never occur to me! Most people want instant gratification.

My wife gladly harvests for me while I'm tradeskilling so getting resources is never a problem for me. I have an alt for each of the TS classes (if I ever get off my butt and finish the betryal quest with my up and coming tailor) On the Scholar side I'm capped at level 16 right now but that will be fixed soon and as I said I can make basically anything up to the very top of tier 2. The only exception here is rares and with rares if I don't have the book for the item you are looking for I would more than likely gladly trade services for the book and the rare harvest you need refined. I am by no means greedy in fact I have been working on a spread sheet to figure costs basically I have a small charge based on tier and quality level and a small markup rate keeping in mind that I make all the sub-combines so I don't have to recoup the massive over charge for interm items (Anything over 30cp for a tier 2 Chem is over charging) I work from Willow Wood so I have access to the highest level wholesaler on the server (at least it was last time I checked) As for making greys I don't mind since I always have an up and coming alt I can dump the lower level combines onto get them some exp and if I don't well still not that big of a loss for small orders, Now if you wanted to completely equip a guild of say 30 people all their tier 1 spells I think I would have to charge a bit more for my time since all I would be getting out of it is cash but even then I don't think I'd raise it too much since I really don't have the big of a need for cash and would be glad to help someone out. Just realize that I work on my schedule and life will be good.

Yeah but the problem is my wife doesn't like to craft and stays up much later than I do so she out levels me pretty fast and well a pally with out his healer is in a world of hurt. But yes I am very lucky in that my wife plays and understands my insane addiction to this game :)

anzak you in FP or Qey ? If you're in FP ill definately be looking you up asap !

Yeah the guild thing soulds like a good idea, i enjoy helping out guildies as much as possible but my guild only has 2 crafters so helping them out isnt needed that often .

Anyone know of an evil based crafting guild on najena ? Id be happy to join if they'll have me and more than willing to do many hookups to guildies ! Thx in advance

ok ill add you to FR and we can talk more about pricing and such things then :) thanks a bunch anzak , the game needs more people like you .

One of the hardest things for a Scholar is to know exactly what spells would be wanted on the market. As I progressed as a scholar I would make one of each spell and keep a log of what sold......there were many that even with the price under 5sp no one wanted and I ended up selling to a vendor. Spells for toons that I dont play, I have no clue what ones are the most usefull and which one have cheap adepts available....so in turn I tend to just continue making one of each per level and maybe a couple of the ones that are good sellers.

Was really done with this whole subject but since Geocide felt the need to mention my name 4 times I will respond.

I work 12 hours a day and take care of my son 2 hours at least till my wife gets home. I get 2 hours a night max if he is sleepy and thats if I give up a little sleep to do it.

I just spent an hour making someone 4 pristine pieces of steel armor for 1g and probably lost 1g or more using my own components. I actually failed on one and bought a piece of steel for 5g myself to make the pristine for him.

I mispriced my electrum at 45s instead of 45c and sell 3 and spend 2 hours hunting the people down to give them the money back.

Its not about the money for me its about the armor. I don't want to make anything but armor, but have found it necessary to level other alts., because the world is not at my beck and call.

I don't sell anything I make anymore it all gets sold back to the merchants and I have 5 plat in the bank I have no idea what to do with.

So to say we are all profit whores and greedy and stupid and rude is an unfair statement. It took me 2 hours to level an alchemist to 20 so I consider that time well spent. I don't live in my moms basesment and play for 10 hours a day and I actually consider myself to be a pretty decent person.

As far as app 4's I was where you are I had the app 1's no one was making anything so I made do buying the app 2's until I realized all my new arts were linked and upgrading apps had no purpose. App 4 spells are for twinking an alt. as far as I am concerned.

I have never told anyone off and if they get a bird its figurative only and really depends on how I am approached. Someone comes to me asking to make 4 rare pieces of armor with rare components I am all over it, someone demanding I make app 4's that aren't necesary and waving obsolete money in my face and sending several tells while I am crafting, it actually takes a little concentration, gets the ignore.

If my above statements make me a rude sob then I guess I can live with that. Speculating on someones life or lack thereof or manners because you don't get your way is pretty childish as far as I am concerned.