Many lost things from EQ1...Greed not one of themFollow

That's a bummer.

Listen, check the broker all the time - sometimes people sell adept 1 pets for less than the going high rate (on my server a gold or more, often, is the average price).

Also /ooc occasionally in Antonica smething like this - "Hi, need adept 1 Tellurian Recruit but only have 53 silver (or whatever u have) - can someone pls sell it to me?" You might get lucky. Always go out into antonica w/ a wholesaler task. They are 12 silver each. Tuber, iron, maple are really easy to finish. Pelts, turquoise and electrum are harder cuz those nodes drop junk other than what u need. (u know what this quest is right? Join a tradeskill society in yer hometown and talk to the guy at the front desk). GL

Normally I don't do NBG, because it CAN land you in sticky situations. I prefer strict lotto, but if someone in the group does indeed need the drop, and they voice that they need it, I don't have a problem giving it up if I win it.

Spells, in my opinion, should have ALMOST a special consideration when it is one that someone in the group can immediately use. I've never given it a second thought when it comes to someone getting a needed spell while in a group.

Same thing sorta applies to quest drops. If you are in a group and someone is working on a quest, whether they mention it up front or not, don't snatch quest items up for yourself if someone has been trying to get it for a while. It can get iffy at times, but my best advice is to just use common sense. If you give up an item they really need, chances are they will return the kindness.

Edited, Thu Jan 20 12:53:39 2005 by jakstrw
almost finished

Edited, Thu Jan 20 12:53:14 2005 by jakstrw

It's definately a double edged blade. On one hand if you help someone they might help you, on the other you might never get what you want, and you are giving away your only means to acquire what you are looking for.

It's always a tough decision. Personally, as a tank, if I were given a set of rub greaves, I would be quite grateful and probably insist on at least giving you something from my inventory of moderate worth in compensation.

It's just all in who you group with I guess. Try to be a good judge of character, but don't force the 'I scratch your back, you scratch mine' stance. Just let it happen if it does.

I never though of it that way but Tarv has a point. As an example I found when fighting giants a lot of scout type adept’s drop. All the parties I’ve ever been in was entitled to their own adepts that dropped. But if you look at it at Tarvs point of view I think that is the safest bet and a better way of handling it.

Let the lotto do its work. If a person receives a drop that you may need, perhaps a trade of something of equal value can be achieved.

Personally I like the party systems I’ve been accustom to allowing other players to utilize the drops right then in there. In truth I’ve yet to see a drop for myself as far as adepts go. I just think it’s polite to hand the drops over. I craft for my coin so I never look at a drop as “good I need that to upgrade something.”

I will say if you take down a named mob I’d like to think anyone is entitled to that drop. The value on that item is going to be higher I just think it’s best to let lotto to decide, not your class in that case.

However I’ve seen some really great parties turn in to a full out war over drops. Letting lotto decided ensure a smooth enjoyable party in at least those regards. Here’s an example of that and this honestly does **** me off.

Let’s say player x gets a drop player y needs. When player y requests the drop from player x, player x states “Oh sorry my alt needs it, or a guildy needs it”. In regards to that is your alt here right now? Did this guild member help take down this mob?

See right there creates a problem. Honestly when people do that, I even get upset. But these types of situations could be avoided if Tarvs statement was practiced more often.

Again I like the party system now, although it hasn’t played in my favor yet. I’m fine with however that party wants to handle it. Imo I think letting lotto handle it wouldn’t create those problems.


Edited, Thu Jan 20 17:49:48 2005 by toxicmoon

Thanks for noticing Evil Gomes =)


No I agree with you whole heartily. Like I said I’m used to parties as you described “Need before greed”. However not everyone feels that way. It’s because of that imo I think things would run more smoothly Free for all.

Granted if everyone feels the same and it’s established how drops are handled great. But I’ve never seen that discussed before a party. Normally I see “Hey I need that” me or other player “No problem, here ya go”. That’s fine. But it doesn’t always go down like that.

With my example before of that person claiming they need it for someone in their guild or Alt. Well there not in the party, the person in that party fought the mob and is entitled to it more then someone outside the party.

But that’s the thing about it. Some people don’t feel that way. I like the current system but when people like that join in, it changes the enjoyable happy atmosphere in a hurry. If you look at it in the other way that problem is avoided. I’d rather loose out on a drop then start a flame war with another char. I just want to enjoy myself like the next guy.

The Need before greed system does work. But there’s times when it will totally ***** you over. Least the other way you have something material wise you earned in the exp grind. I don’t know it’s just the higher I go up in levels the more greedy people I see like my examples. This other way is snipping that problem in the bud. But you’re right it does create another problem, and that’s those rare adept drops. Lord knows I’ve yet to see one for my Paladin to date. But let’s say one drops tomorrow and that guy states “My guildy needs it”. Ouch after Declining adept drops for 20 levels, just ouch. If I put those 20 levels worth of adept selling income together couldn’t I buy mine?

Anyway that’s why I craft. I can’t rely on others to auntie that adept I need.There’s know perfect way of handling this is their? Hehe

BTW - I was invited to my guild pretty much the same way =). Me and this guy did AQ2 together, I think that’s the one where you have to kill all those bears. Anyway he got confused and picked up the wrong quest after we were completed. The next day as soon as I logged I made it my first priority to help him kill all those bears again like I say I would.

Yes I’ve seen greed in this game like all the other ones. But I must say I’ve never seen so much courteousness and acts of kindness like in this game before.


Edited, Thu Jan 20 21:11:27 2005 by toxicmoon

i like to use NBG, but if im not playing with friends in a group i just go solo/craft/quest so i dont see alot of the greed from pickup groups.

I think i wasn't too clear on the way i view drops, i will try again hopefully i can be a still more consice this time <Yeah right and pigs might fly!!>


Ok here goes....

When an item drops for a pick up group, that item should be seen as an oppotunity for every single person in the group to improve thier charicter, not just the person who's class the drop is for.

This is more the case for Adept drops than misc armour.

Example:

An adept healer book drops: the healer would get an improvement for that spell, the mage/scout/fighter could trade that adept book for any adept book that is of most use to them. All would be able to improve thier charicter from that drop.

who is being greedy? the cleric for insisting that it must be his or the other three for saying that it should be a random roll to see which person should benefit from the drop?

When a person has won a roll they are excluded from rolling untill all members of the group have won a roll to prevent 1 person winning everything.

This allows for people to show thier goodwill and give the said drop to the healer in exchange for thier opportuntity to roll, while still leaving an even playing field.

What people usually mean by NBG is not "Need before greed" it's, "Greed because i need it."

Remind me not to group with you. Not because I am a rule breaker, but because I don't NBG in pickup groups. There are too many factors to say one person needs an item more than the next, regardless of what it is.

Hm, this is an interesting point. You've got say Bloom adept 1 dropping, and there is a druid in the group. But the Rogue wins the Lotto saying he can sell or trade it in order to get some Rogue adept later on. And that is justified for the reasons above stated.

I see the "cold" logic of it, but I must say my heart doesn't aree.

Now if I join a group that says "pure lotto, no nbg" - that's the group's pre-existing choice. Okay.

But the overall question "what is right?" ... I just go w/ my heart. I can't in good conscience take one guy's treasured and badly needed drop from him - I just don't feel good about it. I'm not saying you all have to NBG because of this; this is simply my feelings on the matter.

I would say, however, that if one group member takes an adept for a guildmate or because he plans to play that class up one day - something like that - and someone in the group needs it - that this isn't right. I'd probably leave that group in protest, whether or not it was me who was affected.

Again, it must just have something to do w/ thinking how a player would feel seeing the thing he badly needs drop - to feel he worked to get it and now it was his time to be lucky - and then wham, no sir, not now - you don't get it - it is simply "heartless". My opinion, but that's how it is w/ me.

I agree with Tarv in having everyone roll on all drops. That way everyone has a chance to profit from the drop.

Let people make their own choice about what their *needs* are without having to defend their decision...

There's a convienient button in the lotto dialog so you can always decline to roll if you feel you don't need it, and if you choose to opt out of one or more rolls for whatever reason, that just improves your own personal Kharma.