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#1 Jan 18 2005 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
I have a wierd problem that I can't diagnose. Wondering if anyone knows what it could be. Once every month or so my system shuts down abruptly and immediately turns back on. Its like it restarts itself. It doesn't happen frequently like it would if I had bad ram, and it turns right back on which it wouldn't if the processor was too warm, so what could it be?
#2 Jan 18 2005 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
0_o strange.. you sure it's a monthly cycle thing.. could be a bug (my word for virus) that only kicks in on a certain day of the month...

what steps have you taken, such as virus scan, spyware scan, etc.. etc..
#3 Jan 18 2005 at 3:48 PM Rating: Decent
I have done all that. I know it is really odd. It doesn't necessarily happen on the same day of the month, just real real real infrequently.
#4 Jan 18 2005 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
I have done all that. I know it is really odd. It doesn't necessarily happen on the same day of the month, just real real real infrequently.
#5 Jan 18 2005 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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Do you have any scheduled tasks that run on say every 3rd monday of the month or something like that? Perhaps the task is failing or the required software is corrupt, thereby causing a reboot.

If that is the case, it wouldn't necessarily be on the same day of each month, but it would seem more spurratic, similar to how you described.
#6 Jan 18 2005 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
My OS has a firewall and my router has a firewall, I have Norton Professional, run spybot weekly, have stopzilla for popups, defrag frequently, etc.
#7 Jan 18 2005 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
strange.. I would think a heat issue or a RAM issue would happen more often.. and likely after several hours of on-time...

I suppose it's not impossible for a few programs running in memory to not like one another causing a reboot.. but this is also something that would more likely happen daily or after a few hours of play instead of monthly..

... afraid I'm at a bit of a loss on this one. sorry sorry.

edit: ohh excellent thought, I had forgotten about scheduling.. rate up for that one.

Edited, Tue Jan 18 15:55:36 2005 by Iaini
#8 Jan 18 2005 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I would check the automated software first. If you can, try running each thing manually to see what the outcome is.
#9 Jan 18 2005 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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Any other symptoms? Does it blue screen, or any other error messages? Are you running Windows XP? Do you restart in between these abrupt shutdowns?
#10 Jan 18 2005 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
Hmm, I will have to look and see if I have any scheduled tasks when I get home (I'm at work). That is a possibility. My temp monitor and motherboard monitor both say I am just fine as far as temp goes too, I should be for all the damn fans I have. I have a 680watt powersupply so I know I'm not close on that either.
#11 Jan 18 2005 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
YEs I run Windows XP and I shut down daily. My machine probably only runs for 4-5 hours on weekdays and 8 max on weekends. No error messages at all. No blue screen, it goes black, then pops right back on as though I just started it up for the first time.
#12 Jan 18 2005 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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How many fans?

Also, does this happen only while playing eq2?

What graphics card and sound card are you using?

What processor/motherboard combination?


If by chance you ARE drawing close to max power, extended play in EQ2 can bring the power usage of the video card WAY up which could cause a "brown-out" type of effect where your system just doesnt have enough power to maintain itself. If that happens you might experience a reboot as you explained. It still thinks it's on but because it didn't have enough power to keep itself going devices failed and - *plop*... *beep beep*
#13 Jan 18 2005 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
GXM, that does make sense because while I was waiting for my 680watt to ship to me I was using a 350, which might have been too little. I have 7x80mm fans, 2x5.25" drive bay fans, and a PCI slot blower fan. Then I have a hardrive fan, the processor fan, video card fan, and three fans in my powersupply.
#14 Jan 18 2005 at 4:09 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe it's your computer trying to fly away then? Smiley: wink Smiley: tongue

(I keed, I keed!)

No, really, that's a **** load of fans. hehe

Why so many? Are you overclocking?

Edited, Tue Jan 18 16:15:57 2005 by Lewskinslayer
#15 Jan 18 2005 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
and the only three times it has happened were while I was playing EQ2, but i don't think it had anything to do with the game. I tend not to run any other programs while I play either.
#16 Jan 18 2005 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I've seen something like that happen before, it ended up being some obscure virus/trojan that required special cleaning.
Make sure you keep your antivirus/spyware software up-to-date (of course) and also try some of the other stand-alone virus scanners. I've seen some of the web-based applets pick up things that a normal install doesn't (though I use AVG not Norton).
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#17 Jan 18 2005 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
Nah, I'm not really into overclocking. I got a real sweet deal on the 7 fan case, had the other stuff lying around from other projects and figured what the hell...
#18 Jan 18 2005 at 4:14 PM Rating: Decent
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If you aren't overclocking remove a couple fans.

I would say 1 frontal intake fan, 1 rear exhaust fan, 1 graphics card fan and a processor fan. Unless you are running a VERY, and I mean VERY high speed drive, forget that one. If you have temp monitors (which I think I saw you post that you did) then I wouldn't worry about it unless you see a large spike in case temp.

#19 Jan 18 2005 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
the downfall of all the fans isn't the noise which you would assume, but its all the damn wires. I have them all harnessed for maximum airflow, but anytime I have to disassemble, all the harnessing has to be undone.
#20 Jan 18 2005 at 4:19 PM Rating: Decent
Why do you suggest removing the fans?
#21 Jan 18 2005 at 4:35 PM Rating: Default
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Because the fans, as any other physically moving device, draw rather large amounts of power. Removing excessive fans will lower the power consumption, as well as the noise and space factor. You can probably get rid of a few of those and still keep the system cooled properly.
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#22 Jan 18 2005 at 4:46 PM Rating: Default
You might wanna get a new Power Supply
#23 Jan 18 2005 at 5:01 PM Rating: Decent
I just got this new 680watt triple fan power supply. The reason I wanted all the fans is because I have a 3.4Pentium 4, and a ATI Radeon x850Pro and neither were cheap and I want them to last.
#24 Jan 18 2005 at 10:20 PM Rating: Good
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To me anytime I run in to a problem such as this I look too in-depth when the answer was right before my eyes the whole time. I suggest looking at the obviously stuff first. I’d double check the cords, and I’ve had a power strip do something like that for me before. Try a different one. I had to say it because I’m guilty of not following my own advice.
#25 Jan 18 2005 at 10:25 PM Rating: Default
If you have hijack this post up the results and I'll tell you what's bad. Though this is most definately a hardware problem. Maybe an incompatibility problem. How often to you give your computer a break? Could be a bios setting.
#26 Jan 19 2005 at 11:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Anytime you get a reboot with no software errors it will end up being hardware. I would not rule out the power supply but also you should open your case and look around the CPU at the capacitors. Check if any of the tops have a tan or brownish color spot on the tops like something busting through the tops, also look for capacitors where the tops are not perfectly flat (note some will have an imprinted + stamped into the tops. If you see any that look like this then your board will need servicing or replacing as they are bad. I have had a few systems do exactly the same thing and it turned out the capacitors for the power regulation on board were bad, cause the same inconsistant reboots.


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