Yeah, it's so terrible to expect people to be courteous. No wonder civil society is in decline.
Common courtesy in society is like oil in an engine. That engine will run without oil for a while, but eventually it will grind to an ugly halt. Same goes for a society (and a MMO)without courtesy.
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I never accept blind invites. I usually won't accept an invite from a pt I'm going to be with until I can see them. why?
Shared Group Experience Debt.
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I never accept blind invites. I usually won't accept an invite from a pt I'm going to be with until I can see them.
if everybody used your mentality, grouping in eq2 would be even sadder than it already is. There's a lot of new people who i've met that turned out to be very nice and well rounded players. But guess what they were new and didn't know jack shiat about where the hunting spots were or how to find us. .. That's what the magical thing called ALT-W is for. but guess what, you have to be grouped. from across the zone.
Groups just don't like EXPLAINING where they are, thats what the ALT-W was invented for and that's why you get an invite across the zone. Honestly, if you don't like it, i'll just kick you. Nobody wants to sit down and explain how to get to the group it's a waste of time when there's a perfectly good resource built into the game engine.
Edited, Wed Jan 19 09:40:50 2005 by sotonin
I disagree and agree with sotonin. O,o
I will never invite nor accept an invite from a distance.. Just not worth it.
But when/if they fix the debt from all across the zone it sure is the way to go.
If a player dont have a clue about the zone I try and explain and meet him halfway with my group. If he dont understand me he's not worthy of my groups anyways.
I invite alot of friends from across the zone though and we have a rule to disband if your about to die so there I have np. The only problem is he cannot disband if the group is fighting though. Also, if he see's me type "RUN" he also know its time to disband.. :p
I will never invite nor accept an invite from a distance.. Just not worth it.
But when/if they fix the debt from all across the zone it sure is the way to go.
If a player dont have a clue about the zone I try and explain and meet him halfway with my group. If he dont understand me he's not worthy of my groups anyways.
I invite alot of friends from across the zone though and we have a rule to disband if your about to die so there I have np. The only problem is he cannot disband if the group is fighting though. Also, if he see's me type "RUN" he also know its time to disband.. :p
^ you missed the point...
Aside from the courtesy issue, I won't accept ninja invites mainly for two reasons:
1. It's been my experience that accepting a ninja invite means (usually) that you will be in a disorganized group. Every time I've ever accepted blind invites, I've died and died a lot. And this is EQ2 AND EQ1.
2. With a ninja invite, you don't know what kind of group you're getting in. Maybe you're looking for a group for a specific quest. You don't mind helping others with their quests, and you'd also like some assistance from them. A little up-front communication will take care of this.
Also, I just liked to have a /tell sent first. It's something that was almost always done in EQ1. Even if you had your /lfg on, you would still get a /tell asking if you wanted to join a group for a specific zone or camp. It's just what I've gotten used to. (Although you did get ninja invites in EQ1, I noticed it more on newer servers, where there were true newbies)
1. It's been my experience that accepting a ninja invite means (usually) that you will be in a disorganized group. Every time I've ever accepted blind invites, I've died and died a lot. And this is EQ2 AND EQ1.
2. With a ninja invite, you don't know what kind of group you're getting in. Maybe you're looking for a group for a specific quest. You don't mind helping others with their quests, and you'd also like some assistance from them. A little up-front communication will take care of this.
Also, I just liked to have a /tell sent first. It's something that was almost always done in EQ1. Even if you had your /lfg on, you would still get a /tell asking if you wanted to join a group for a specific zone or camp. It's just what I've gotten used to. (Although you did get ninja invites in EQ1, I noticed it more on newer servers, where there were true newbies)
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I understand you all could hate the fly-by invites, but think of this, i play mainly in off-peak hours, that means its oft hard to find a tank (im a healer myself so dont have that problem). What happend to me before I started with the fly-by invite is that I send a tell to a tank when i spotted he had logged only to get the reply that he had been invited by someone who was faster then me. So at those hours its sometimes almost needed to do the fly-by invites, cause if you dont others will and they will always be faster.
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^ you missed the point...
Nope, but I guess you did miss MY point.
I allready answered OP and the last post was a reply to something else...
Grahamoo wrote:
^ you missed the point...
Nope, but I guess you did miss MY point.
I allready answered OP and the last post was a reply to something else...
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if everybody used your mentality, grouping in eq2 would be even sadder than it already is.
My mentality that I don't like racking up experience debt when I'm not even near the party and helpless to assist?
Perhaps I'm just bitter because I've accepted one to many "blind" invites only to find the party is on the other side of the zone, or worse. One person just sent blind invites to a bunch of people and everyone is scattered across the zone. Now here's the fun part. While I'm making my way over to the designated meeting point/person, I see health bars start dropping, and my experience bar filling up with debt. What can I do? Nothing. By the time I get there the party has disbanded leaving me with a wasted trip and barfull of debt.
I have no problem making it to any location you want to meet. Once I get there I will gladly form up with the party. If you are unwilling to wait for me to safely travel to you without being in the party, then it is you that is making the grouping in eq2 even sadder than it already is.
I think it applies to EQ2 more than with the previous games.
Almost everyone is doing some kind of quest or another or has an objective. If they have no idea what the group is aiming to do how do they know whether they want to join or not?
Even if you have LFG up you might be wanting to do a different AQ or have already done Timberclaws etc, etc. A simple tell can prevent a long journey.
I think it is symptomatic of the mentality of a lot of players who seem to regard the rest of us as merely accessories to the game put there to help them. I mean if you're LFg of course you must be wanting to do whatever they want to do.
I agree with the comment about the EQ1 LFG tool which allowed you to put a comment. It would be much more likely to result in the right people joining if you could put "LFG for AQ1" rather than just LFG.
Another consequence I've seen is groups forming and then going off to do something completely different because more of the people wanted to do that than what the person forming it wanted to do.
And for whoever said how simple it was to decline. I watched a friend get 6 invites in a row from the same person - who was nowhere near them - and my friend was on a quest and not LFG. What is going on in that person's head?
Almost everyone is doing some kind of quest or another or has an objective. If they have no idea what the group is aiming to do how do they know whether they want to join or not?
Even if you have LFG up you might be wanting to do a different AQ or have already done Timberclaws etc, etc. A simple tell can prevent a long journey.
I think it is symptomatic of the mentality of a lot of players who seem to regard the rest of us as merely accessories to the game put there to help them. I mean if you're LFg of course you must be wanting to do whatever they want to do.
I agree with the comment about the EQ1 LFG tool which allowed you to put a comment. It would be much more likely to result in the right people joining if you could put "LFG for AQ1" rather than just LFG.
Another consequence I've seen is groups forming and then going off to do something completely different because more of the people wanted to do that than what the person forming it wanted to do.
And for whoever said how simple it was to decline. I watched a friend get 6 invites in a row from the same person - who was nowhere near them - and my friend was on a quest and not LFG. What is going on in that person's head?
Wherever I go - there I am.
I don't care much for it. I actually joined one and it wasn't 5 minutes the group wiped and everybody disbanded and ran off. All I had to show for it was LOTS of debt.
I am really considering sticking with guildie grouips. We raided a named undead today. We alsmost had them but at least they didn't run off like a bunch of drunk monkeys heh.
I am really considering sticking with guildie grouips. We raided a named undead today. We alsmost had them but at least they didn't run off like a bunch of drunk monkeys heh.
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Ninja invites don't bother me much, i decline and go about my way but i actully had someone try to invite me while i was in a group. Sent me a tell that went like this /soandso says hey i tried to send you a invite but it says your grouped. Please disband so you can join mine. I am like what is this person thinking. I mean thats not only absurd but completely rude to me and my party. So i sent him a tell back saying i was grouped and he responed with /tell soand so says doesn't matter our group needs a tank and your the only one close to our lvl. Having played FFXI and both EQ1, i know for sure that isn't propere etiquet and told him so. And all i got was a basic stfu newb and was told that i didn't know what i was talking about that this thing is done often in this game. So i can sort of see how a experiance player might get pevved with this sort of thing.:)
It's one of the irritating things in the game, not a major irritation but still.
I never accept one, not ever. It's just not a good sign, very impolite too. Even if I were to be the only tank in the entire zone and they already ooc'd the need for a tank in my lvl range, I would decline instantly if they didn't send a tell first.
The worst person is the one who keeps trying though, lol. Someone invited me once, without any comment. I refuse without saying anything, so he tries again, and I refuse again, so he tries again and so on...
I'm the patient type, so he finally gave in and asked why I wouldn't group with him.
I never accept one, not ever. It's just not a good sign, very impolite too. Even if I were to be the only tank in the entire zone and they already ooc'd the need for a tank in my lvl range, I would decline instantly if they didn't send a tell first.
The worst person is the one who keeps trying though, lol. Someone invited me once, without any comment. I refuse without saying anything, so he tries again, and I refuse again, so he tries again and so on...
I'm the patient type, so he finally gave in and asked why I wouldn't group with him.
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Sent me a tell that went like this /soandso says hey i tried to send you a invite but it says your grouped. Please disband so you can join mine. I am like what is this person thinking. I mean thats not only absurd but completely rude to me and my party. So i sent him a tell back saying i was grouped and he responed with /tell soand so says doesn't matter our group needs a tank and your the only one close to our lvl. Having played FFXI and both EQ1, i know for sure that isn't propere etiquet and told him so. And all i got was a basic stfu newb and was told that i didn't know what i was talking about that this thing is done often in this game. So i can sort of see how a experiance player might get pevved with this sort of thing.:)
It certainly isn't normal. To me it is indicative of the mindset that thinks of other players as a strange kind of NPC put in the game to help them level.
I've known it happen where the other person is a friend or guildie as in "We've got a great group here and could use you" but never a complete stranger asking you to drop group and join them.
In that circumstance a considerate and sensible person might have said "I can see you're grouped but if it packs up in the near future we could really use a tank"
Wherever I go - there I am.
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Ninja invites drive me nuts. I never ever accept, as a matter of principle - if you accept rude behavior, then you condone it, and it will just continue.
Is it a big deal? YES it is a HUGE deal. Why? Because its friggin rude that's why. Not only that, the person being invited has to do all the work. They have to see if the person that invited them is of a reasonable level. Once they join, which is always a big risk because of death debt, they then have to find out what the group is going to do, to see if they are even doing something the invitee wanted to do.
The work should be on the part of the group.
And no, its not ok to ninja invite if the person has LFG up. To me the same thing applies. You still have all the same problems - group compatibility (are their goals your goals), distance to group (in other words, death debt risks), level range, etc. Just because I am LFG doesn't make me fair game, if you ninja invite me I will still decline. I have no idea who you are or what you are going to do. Too many bad experiences accepting invites and ending up with a lot of debt and no progress.
Is it really that damn hard to ask?
Had one guy invite me over and over, 4 times, I declined without comment all 4 times. Finally he sends me a tell "we have a healer". That's all he said. So I says "for what?" and he tells me "we are going to get some xp". I says "have a nice time" and just ignored further tells. "we have a healer"? WTF is that supposed to tell me, is that useful somehow? I didn't have lfg up, I wasn't interested in a group, I was just passing through on the way to meet some friends. Instead of inviting me 4 times he could have actually sent a tell with some useful info. Its not like its hard to edit your tells and send the same tell to a bunch of different people.
Is it really that damn hard to ask?
Is it a big deal? YES it is a HUGE deal. Why? Because its friggin rude that's why. Not only that, the person being invited has to do all the work. They have to see if the person that invited them is of a reasonable level. Once they join, which is always a big risk because of death debt, they then have to find out what the group is going to do, to see if they are even doing something the invitee wanted to do.
The work should be on the part of the group.
And no, its not ok to ninja invite if the person has LFG up. To me the same thing applies. You still have all the same problems - group compatibility (are their goals your goals), distance to group (in other words, death debt risks), level range, etc. Just because I am LFG doesn't make me fair game, if you ninja invite me I will still decline. I have no idea who you are or what you are going to do. Too many bad experiences accepting invites and ending up with a lot of debt and no progress.
Is it really that damn hard to ask?
Had one guy invite me over and over, 4 times, I declined without comment all 4 times. Finally he sends me a tell "we have a healer". That's all he said. So I says "for what?" and he tells me "we are going to get some xp". I says "have a nice time" and just ignored further tells. "we have a healer"? WTF is that supposed to tell me, is that useful somehow? I didn't have lfg up, I wasn't interested in a group, I was just passing through on the way to meet some friends. Instead of inviting me 4 times he could have actually sent a tell with some useful info. Its not like its hard to edit your tells and send the same tell to a bunch of different people.
Is it really that damn hard to ask?
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Peaple who play mmog's are so danm touchy. if you dont like blind invites dont accept whats the big deal? I hate peaple asking me to party, when im asking for a party, just frigging invite me, geezz.
My char is level 24, a few weeks ago. I was passing through a lowbie zone and got invites from this guy. In your case you are saying you would have just accepted, I mean its all good right?
The dude was level 4.
Its not about being touchy, its about consideration, about being considered a human being, not another NPC. Get it yet?
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