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#1 Jan 17 2005 at 9:47 PM Rating: Decent
Does anyone find players who just invite you out of the blue regardless of whether you have your LFG flag up or not a tad bit annoying?

I plea to those who need someone for a group to please ask before inviting...especially if the person isn't seeking a group. I don't know how many times I've been minding my own business and a big invite window pops up for no reason.

Even for those times when some one is LFG, it's always nice to ask because there are times you want an exp group or a quest group. I like to help out other people, but sometimes I want to level my character.

Yes I know we can go anonymous...but quite frankly I shouldn't need to. I think a little courtesy amoungst our fellow players, especially ones you are asking to help out, is not too much to ask.

#2 Jan 17 2005 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
I feel your pain! I am mostly a crafter, and only party to get strong enough to go to the next tier for harvesting. I go out to harvest or meet someone to sell some stuff in the commonlands or nek, with no LFG flag up, and in fact, I'm /anon. And it never fails that I receive about 3 or 4 invites with no /tells or anything, so I just decline, and dont say anything. If they send me a tell about it, I will sometimes send a tell back that i am not interested and am looking for resource etc, but usually I just dont say anything, since they were not courteous to send a /tell to me before inviting.

But hey, its not like I'm bitter or anything :-p

Edited, Mon Jan 17 21:54:12 2005 by dacypher
#3 Jan 17 2005 at 9:57 PM Rating: Decent
Having come out of EQ, I was bothered by this at first but have come to regard it as a different dynamic in a different game.

Grouping seems much more casual in EQ2 with folks often hooking up in a zone for the express purpose of completing a quest or camping a given mob and when they are done, the group disbands.

With this in mind, I can understand the *instant group* mentality.

When I don't feel like excepting, I just decline with the same amount of explaination as went into their offer... like none!
#4 Jan 17 2005 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Grouping seems much more casual in EQ2 with folks often hooking up in a zone for the express purpose of completing a quest or camping a given mob and when they are done, the group disbands.

With this in mind, I can understand the *instant group* mentality.

When I don't feel like excepting, I just decline with the same amount of explaination as went into their offer... like none!


Oh I totally understand, and I find the quick and easy grouping quite refreshing. Still, it would save everyone time and patience if party leaders asks first. I've been in many situations when I've ignored and I get invited by the same person 3-4 times. I even ask them and get no reply.

On the flipside I've been in group (not as a leader)where the person is invited, makes the trip over to us, only to realises that our group objectives don't match his.
#5 Jan 17 2005 at 10:39 PM Rating: Decent
Well I still think they should ask...

I am coming off of FFXI to here and before back there it was just rude to 'blind invite' as we would call it. People even put that in their search comments [Blind Invite, No Thanks]. But...in FFXI grouping is like a way of life, so it was more common that the group would stick together for hours.

Whereas here, like you all said it's sorta instant and just dropped after Mission Complete.

Either way, I feel they should /tell first, then invite.
#6 Jan 17 2005 at 10:58 PM Rating: Decent
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yea people occasionally send me an invite without asking regardless of me LFG or not. I'd ususally decline their invite first, ask them what they're up to and decide to group with them or not. People should really ask before sending an invite
#7 Jan 17 2005 at 11:42 PM Rating: Decent
I agree with you all that it is polite to ask first and was not trying to justify the mis-behaviour, only citing what I think is the cause of it.
#8 Jan 17 2005 at 11:42 PM Rating: Decent
Double post - nothing to see here folks... move along... move along...

Edited, Mon Jan 17 23:42:39 2005 by OldBlueDragon
#9 Jan 18 2005 at 12:32 AM Rating: Default
If you are talking invites when you aren't LFG, then ya. That's kind of annoying. But IMO if you have LFG tag on it's a red flag for blind invites. I invite people without sending them a tell first if they were LFG. I also seek out people who arent LFG and send them a tell first asking if they are interested.

Blind invites themselves are common place in eq2 and nothing bad. I think the whole determining factor has got to be wether or not you had LFG on )
#10 Jan 18 2005 at 12:48 AM Rating: Decent
I agree, I personally do not mind being invited if I'm lfg.. I really don't mind being invited when I'm not lfg. I don't get much time to play, and that grouping gets a lot more exp then me soloing, so I don't care too much. I do see how it would annoy some people, so I am at least curtious enough to ask before inviting them. Guess it all depends on the person.
#11 Jan 18 2005 at 2:16 AM Rating: Decent
Oh yes,

If you have your flag up, then your fair game lol, I was referring to if you don't have any flag up and your questing and stuff. Either way, I ask first and tell them who all I've managed to get and then see if they wanna join in.

Slyone

Edited, Tue Jan 18 02:16:35 2005 by SlyoneSwash
#12 Jan 18 2005 at 5:32 AM Rating: Decent
Ive been having this problem aswell but not just groups ive been invited to guilds without grouping or even talking to a member. Just to see what one guild was like i joined it and there were over 150 members total and 20 online but when i started to talk to the guild there was no reply so i just left.
#13 Jan 18 2005 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
I prefer the term "ninja invite", and I get them constantly for groups and even guilds. Definitely a pet peeve of mine.

Even if your LFG is up, it still common courtesy to at least say "Hi" first before inviting someone into a group. Are people in that much of a hurry to XP grind that they can't even say Hello? More importantly, why would you invite someone blindly into a group when neither of you has any idea what the other is doing? (I can imagine some smart *** inviting me into a group just as he is about to die, just for laughs in seeing me get XP debt.) Unless you say hello and we can decide on whether a grouping would be mutually beneficial, then ninja invites are declined - period.
#14 Jan 18 2005 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent


I completely disagree here. While I do check with someone most times before inviting, is it really that big of a deal for you to just click decline? I mean c'mon.. It takes you about 1 second to click decline opposed to the ten seconds it would take for someone to write /tell soandso are you lfg and if so what do you need? And don't tell me it gets in the way of a battle or any bs like that cause you can't see incoming invitations when in battle... it's just not allowed.

Again, I rarely do that but on occasion have and most times the person will actually join the group, then ask in group chat what the group is for.

Simple, easy, quick.
#15 Jan 18 2005 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Tue Jan 18 09:14:24 2005 by xythex
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#16 Jan 18 2005 at 9:10 AM Rating: Decent
Its gotten to the point I send a tell to the one ninja inviting me "Do you know many people find it rude to invite without sending a tell first what your up to?"
I never use the lfg thing though cause its not working when Im still in a group, but I wouldnt send that tell if I had lfg tag up.
lfg system is not good in EQ2 imo. Was alot better in EQ1 when you could put up lfg comments and put up lfg while in a group.
Why do I want that back? Cause I duo alot and we both want to join full groups often but since I cant "/lfg Have Guardian friend lvl 28 with me" its not an option. If we want a full group we have to start it and its not all the time I want that headache.
#17 Jan 18 2005 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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It really doesn't bother me all that much and I haven't had too much of a problem with them since leaving the IoR.

It's a newbie gamer thing. Like typing in all caps, not announcing trains, accidently stumbling over someones camp, inspecting without permission (eq1) or a bazzillion other mistakes that most of us made when first starting out. If you take the time to help someone understand MMORPG ettiquite they are more likely to respect it and in turn pass it on to someone else in the future.

So next time you get a blind invite from some newbie send em a little tell that politely lets them know it's bad form.
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#18 Jan 18 2005 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I completely disagree here. While I do check with someone most times before inviting, is it really that big of a deal for you to just click decline? I mean c'mon.. It takes you about 1 second to click decline opposed to the ten seconds it would take for someone to write /tell soandso are you lfg and if so what do you need? And don't tell me it gets in the way of a battle or any bs like that cause you can't see incoming invitations when in battle... it's just not allowed.

While the group invite window won't get in the way in battle, sometimes you can be trying something tricky to try and move around a mob without aggro (especially for us scouts who like to open up from a position advantage), and all of a sudden this window pops up blocking your view. Had it happen twice in the last month and it is really irritating.

Also, I think the big beef with drive by invites isn't gameplay issue, its about common courtesy. In real life, when walking up to a stranger you always say "Hi" before holding a conversation or doing something. Shouldn't it be the same when dealing with strangers online? I would think so.
#19 Jan 18 2005 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent


While I completely agree with the common courtesy factor, as I do send a tell to someone who is NOT LFG (LFG open to invites IMO), I don't see why it's worth putting up a topic about. I am a ranger. Have been ninja invited (love the phrase, coin it) and it's never gotten in the way as the window is so small it's no big deal at all. I think there are way too many A n a l people who feel it's necessary to complain about something like this that's so trivial and meaningless. The time it took that first person to put this post up and probably read the replies, was about the time equal to 100 ninja declines...... if not more. Stop crying, decline, and move along..
#20 Jan 18 2005 at 10:20 AM Rating: Decent
honestly it doesn't phase me...

invite with or without asking... I get them from time to time..

sometimes I'll accept... other times not. If I give an explination for declining it's only because the person who sent the invite is standing right next to me or sent a /tell first.

honestly it's not that big a deal is it?.. and to my knowledge you cannot send someone an invite if they're in mid-battle, you get a message saying as much (though I don't know if they still get an invite window or not)

plus EQ2's grouping scene is pretty casual as previously stated.. I've seen groups come together for a named.. or a quest that are quite brief..
#21 Jan 18 2005 at 1:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually I have a rather weird experience last night. When I was in Qeynos Exchange minding my own business, I suddenly received an invite from a guy right next to me. I didn't decline his invite right away but I asked him what he was up to. His reply was "free food and drink." So I thought he'd like some free food and drink (I'm a templar) and even though I thought that was kinda rude I accepted his invite and summon him some food and drink. But the funny part is that while I was summoning, he started summoning me some food and drink too, it was then I realized he was a lvl 8 priest. It was weird so after we summon each other some food (?) I disbanded the group. A few minutes later I got a tell from the same player asking if I have some old armor that he could use which then I just shut him off.

So… did he think that by summoning me some free food I'd give him some kool armor in return?


Edited, Tue Jan 18 17:35:12 2005 by kanonyuki
#22 Jan 18 2005 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
lol, kids these days.

So by summoning some food, do you mean snapping your fingers *snap snap* and then you summon a maid or something to bring whatever food you decide on to another player, and then they show up with an array of food for the person to accept?

That would be neat =D

Slyone
#23 Jan 18 2005 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent


That is really odd. I'd like to think he wasn't trying to give you free food and water for free old armor, but you never know.
#24 Jan 18 2005 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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I get mildly annoyed with blind invites, but I'm still in the low level areas (lvl 11 rogue) where there are a lot of new players. Plus I'm conditioned from FFXI where you would group for hours on end so you wanted to know what the invitees were up to. Do blind invites happen less often at level 20 or 30?

Anyway I'm new to EQ2 and haven't completely moved over from FFXI yet thus my sig is not up date. In fact I think this is my first post in the EQ forum :).
#25 Jan 18 2005 at 7:01 PM Rating: Default
Peaple who play mmog's are so danm touchy. if you dont like blind invites dont accept whats the big deal? I hate peaple asking me to party, when im asking for a party, just frigging invite me, geezz.
#26 Jan 18 2005 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I think there are way too many A n a l people who feel it's necessary to complain about something like this that's so trivial and meaningless. The time it took that first person to put this post up and probably read the replies, was about the time equal to 100 ninja declines...... if not more. Stop crying, decline, and move along..


Well, I see your point... I suppose it is **** of me to expect people to be courteous and stuff. Look at it from the invitees perspective- If they ask first, maybe they have better luck in getting people to help them. I almost always help if someone asks.

Oh and since I am posting on my other computer, I had 3 random invites during the time I wrote this reply. Sorry I couldn't get more than that.



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