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#27 Jan 27 2005 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
I can't seem to follow some of the argument. If you really need something and they ask for more then your willing to give, then you don't need it bad enough, or you need to get some friends who can help you out, join a guild, or create an alt. If somebody doesn't feel your trade is fair who are you to say their thoughs on a fair trade are wrong and yours are right? If many of the responses you are recieving seem steep maybe you need to reconsider what you though was fair.

Edited, Thu Jan 27 13:12:15 2005 by PERCY
#28 Jan 27 2005 at 2:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Cobra101 is just a mean-spirited person who likes to rag on others, apparently. My response to OP was just to point out why SOME people might charge more for their product. I personally do not charge for what I make because I don't sell it -- I use it for my sage. Why I have to be subject to ridicule by Cobra101 because I want to make pristine washes, oils and resins, etc. and find it does take some time to do so is beyond me. My guess he is just a little man in RL that has to have an outlet for his frustrations. Clearly he is lacking.
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#30 Jan 28 2005 at 4:15 AM Rating: Good
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I am a 38 alchemist on the Neriak server, and I have a few comments here. There are a few drawbacks to being an alchemist, including the fact that leveling is slow. Unlike most other tradeskill classes alchemists, 20 - 38 at least, do not get any yellow or up combines. The highest we get is an even combine. We CAN sell our products back to the merchant for a huge profit, so people like me do not like to interact with other players. It's easier to just sell massive stacks of stuff back to the merchant and make more. Making an ink is time consuming and has so many 30 level combines, that most of my levels are made using level 30 combines to get the stupid ink made. As a level 38 I'm spending tons of time doing crappy little blue combines that give me 1 / 8th of a blue per combine. And then on top of that people bug us to make them tempers, which we do not need in any form or fashion that I can tell, and if we don't sell at an even large profit than the merchants offer us, why would we do it? I get asked 2 or 3 times a day to make resins oils washes tempers and inks from just about every class out there, and sometimes I'll do it for a small price over merchant price simply to make tradeskill friends (we don't NEED jewelcrafters, but in the rare occasion we wish to make potions we could use them to make bottles). Potions are near to useless. As a 38 alchemist, making pristine potions (which are a huge loss in money) the best potions I can make at 38 are a 150 point heal with a recast time and a 6 point damage shield. 6 points? Give me a break. That's the best I can make. My father is a provisioner. When I was 20 alchemist he had just started tradeskilling. He's now 8 levels higher than me by making combines 4 levels above him which require 2 subcomponents. I wish I could level half that fast (we spent same amount of time tradeskilling, since we only play when the other is online). Sometimes I consider buying inks off of other alchemists just so I can make fighter combat abilities so I can level up at a normal pace like the other tradeskill classes.

Yes, the amount of profit an alchemists makes is great even selling back to the merchant, but don't be surprised when you ask an alchemist to go out of his way to make some unnoticable amount of profit making you hundreds of these tempers which take up tons of room in the inventory just because you can't start an alchemist alt or make an alchemist friend. I am more than happy making tempers for my jewelcraft friends who make me velium jewelcrafted armor to wear, or woodworkers who make me paper or quills so I can have a sage make me spells, etc.

Keep in mind, that to make any final non subcomonent products (to get any experience) we have to make inks which requires 5 combines, and then 2 more to make the final combine.

The only tradeskill class I feel sorry for are the sages. They're like alchemists who can't make any subcomonents, no yellow combines, no potions, no poisons. Poor Poor guys. :( /sniff.
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Ohhhhh, Cobra. Tisk, tisk.

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#33 Jan 31 2005 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
Hey Mold, That was a great write up.
This is Y I created a new Toon just for doing the Tempers. Don't like bugging people.



Edited, Mon Jan 31 12:30:16 2005 by Spantiznik
#34 Feb 05 2005 at 3:25 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah, thats why im glad that nerf'd the prices you guys got on those items from the shop keepers.

and as for a craftin profession to feel sorry for how bout carpenters??? lol those poor guys dont even get to use their main skill to make their basic components, and only making a finished product can they actually level their skill up. not 1 single recipe in the carpenter essentials 20 book uses sculpting which is a carpenters bread an butter skill.

and as for greedy alchemists on Oggok seem to be fair on there prices even b4 the nerf so i really wasn't pokin on them, but jewlers on the other hand they make what a weaponsmith needs half the carbonite weapons on oggok barely sell for 40s each for pristene quality and u have jewlers askin 15-20s for carbonite pommel's, gold ornaments, and carbonite studs. i understand paying people for their time i really do. but paying about 17s for 30 seconds or less of time is pretty crazy, espectially since they are askin for about half the total money you would make sellin on the player market, and asking way more than i would make selling to a merchant which would be 12s per weapon
#35 Feb 25 2005 at 1:18 PM Rating: Default
~SIGHS~ looks like the sniffeling soloers who don't have the social skills to inter-mingle with other ppl's have won the Alchemy war...
If you have a problem with what ppl's are charging you for goods DON'T BUY EM" ... oh crap !!... that's just like RL... When you go to the store and see something over priced, you walk away right? WALK AWAY < DON'T Buy High PRICED GOODS...
Don't go running to mommy and daddy SOE to solve you issue...When the ppl's realize they are not selling there items, they will lower there prices !! it not a hard consept to grasp, besides Is it really that hard to work a deal with your fellow player??
I mean if you have that much problem with wheeling and dealing for your goods, you should really shut off your damn PC and PLay your PS2.... then you can be solo all you want and there is noone you have to rely on or talk to.....You frigging whinners are ruining the game with all your complaining....ie , we should do this cuz it benefits me.... and oh yeah I am too lasy to kill mobs & do tradskills , and i have ADD so i can't stay focused enough to make any real money in the game so i can buy new Armor... Go to your doctors, get a RX and move on....You call yourselves Gammers? Your Pathetic...Part of gamming is figuring your way OUT of situations and problems....over coming the obsticals...
Instead you have become so lasy, you just immediatly go running to the nearest GM chat room or EQ2 Board and start complaining.... Grow Up Already!
And let's try and remember folks..It is called EVERQUEST 2<<< thus implies you are not supposed to be able to beat the game in one day, and become the richest player or have the uber gear... You have to work for it....that is part of the game.... Deal or GET OUT...Noone Forces you to pay your monthly fees... If you are Unhappy with the way the game is played... DON'T PLAY !!!(( for all those this didn't apply to plz accept my apologies) BUT !! for those who it did,and you know who you are... SHUT THE HELL UP !
#36 Feb 26 2005 at 5:56 AM Rating: Decent
Just my 2pp's worth, i am going Alchemist and apart from making potions for resale in broker, i am easily open to making potions for next to nothing, as long as all materials are provided, as i get xp out of it....and i take donations as my price. Dont moan, i could easily say the same about Sage's charging the earth for spells or artists charging loads for one damn meal, but hey....i think you have just met the wrong people or your social skills not so good.
#37 Mar 07 2005 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
I am an alchemist on Mistmoore server and I am sorry but making pristine washes and tempers is really easy for alchemist. I rarely make anything else when doing chemicals. For each belladonna used you get 4 pristines and I agree that alchemist charge too much. I am always making them for free to fellow guildies and have never charged them. On the other hand my guildies are all tradeskillers and we help each other. We harvest what needs to be harvested for everyone, I make the chems and they furnish me with armor and weapons. I also make a lot of spells. Only time we charge is if the other person insists or whatever we are making takes us to the broker.
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