Alchemists need to be Nerfed! Period!Follow

I understand your frustration, but you also have to realize it takes quite a bit of time to make all the oils, washes etc. and to get them pristine. Especially since the big patch when it seems harder than ever to get pristine. Time is money. (I don't sell mine as I use them for my sage.)

An Alchemst alt is almost a requirment, and I do consider it a requirment if your going to play a Jeweler or Sage. Alchemist can dump their entire inventory from a 1 shot combine very fast and for a 3-4x profit. They are the only class with this simple and massive an influx of cash. Most other classes use items that have 4 if not 6 combines in them, not counting the purchased tempers.

To top this off, Alchemist base items have a very high resale to merchants. T4 tempers for example can be sold back for 2.67 or so silver. This is why you will never see their price drop much below the 3 silver mark. This is still between a 3x and 9x return on their investment.

Alchemist with decent prices will sell out every night, as far as I now they are the only class that will do this.

_NOTE_ This is not to say life is perfect for an Alchemist, it is rather boring to grind the same thing over and over. And an Alchemist deal in bulk, making 2-3 silveer on a single trade were another class may make 30 silver.. Of course they sell 300 times the product. ;)Of course the only class they "need" is a jeweler and that combine is a 3 to 1 return and can be totaly supplied by the alchemist.. So you need 1 jeweler for 30 minutes per teir to make you 100's of vials. ;) Not much demand there.


Side Note: I dont consider the newbie area quests to be a proublem, since if your doing the quests they will take you to all the other newbie areas were you can pick up more quests.


In the end, I realy suggest having an Alchemist Alt, especialy if your going to do anything that requires ink. Jeweler? Eh not realy.. pick and choose to support your class. There are enough Jewelers in the game its not a proublem to have someone make a stack of x for you if you give them a stack of y.

Just as a matter of interest why would you want them pristine?

you get 4 oils, washe's, temeprs whatever at pristines, Normal mu get 3, shaped 2, crude 1.
Dracosy

Wow - which end of the egg do I put the straw in again?

Yes the yield is better but since most of the items mentioned in the post I quotes are from trivially easy or inexpensive parts it doesn't matter. Neolith Temper is not going to make better goods if it's crude or pristine. Personally I usually settle for the 3rd level which makes a nice balance of yield against effort. Maybe when I am higher level it will be worth making them pristine. The picture of alchemists struggling for hours to make pristine components was a little laughable that is all.

The reagent is an entirely different kettle of fish since it is a primary for the dye which in turn is primary for the ink.

And for the OP - make your own Neoliths while you still can.

And I think there is an aspect of this problem - and I agree it is a problem - that is not being discussed.

There has always been a large number of players unable to comprehend that other players are not there for their benefit. Or that other players may not be playing to earn money off them. Back in EQ I would have people thrusting money at me to buff/rez etc them and unable to understand that I wasn't playing to do that. As far as they were concerned I had the ability, they needed it so all they had to do was pay me.

This is coming into the Alchemist issue as well. And I don't aim this at anyone posting here unless they feel the cap fits.
"An Alchemist can make what I want, you're an alchemist - therefore you MUST make what I want. And besides I'll pay you."

How many of the silly prices are greed and how many are just "I really don't want to spend my playing time doing this but if you insist then you can pay for it"

Personally I prefer to either do something or not do it.

I have solved the interdependency issue by having all tradeskills which means that when I do make things I'm doing it for my own characters. If asked nicely I'm sure I'd consider a commission but only if it meant progressing my skill at the same time. There are days I wake up feeling helpful but I find a cold shower usually cures it

And if you read the quote I was commenting on it specifically says "Oils and washes" it is not talking about ink and it's subcombines which I agree have to be pristine.

I do my own gathering too and I really have no problem with accumulating far more than I can use. The yield of 3 oils, washes or resins is perfectly adequate and uses much less power. I believe that at my level I can produce more tempers per hour at 3rd quality than I can at pristine. And that is all that matters for a sub-component like oils, washes and resins. YMMV

No need to get all nasty. I don't even sell my products as I said in my post. I was just telling the OP that some people feel the time they spend to get things pristine justify the cost. Whether it does or not is another story. Have a nice day.

Telling people that what they think is "laughable" and saying things like "what end of the egg do I put the straw in again" in response to their post, is a bit nasty in my book.

You asked me why I tried to get pristine and I told you. I don't know you, I have no idea why you were asking me. My post was not condescending, but merely a response to your question. Amazing.

In response to the original thread, imo ye simply have to find a fair dealer and stick with them. I calculated that if I buy the Belladonna vs foraging it (lets say 10s/stack which is common), and make pristines (4), my raw cost per oil/wash for Thy is about 24c. On our server I saw a low of 2s38c each on the broker including his 20%. I like to move my items fast and make people happy to come back, so I sell em for 1s each...I can live with 300% profit)). If someone would like to trade some Belladonna, I would think 2 stacks at most for a stack of washes is fair...for a steady customer, maybe even a stack for a stack seeing that adding a stack of cheap liquid and candles would yield me 3-4 stacks.
Of course, it's all relative. One day I sold every average pelt I had for 75c each, but the next day there were pages of em for 1-2c each, heh. I had someone send me a "thank you" tell for my "great prices" on Eolith for 35c, but a couple of days later there were several traders selling em for 20c.
On a side note, I want to put in my 2cp on underselling...If you are going to offer a lower price in order to sell faster, as I often do, then make it a REAL savings. Whenever I see a price of say 1g and someone tries to undersell with 99s99c I will ALWAYS buy the higher priced one))

Good for you. Bravo!

No, you are the one that settled for less.

It's ok, Nadenu. I'm used to ****-retentive tradeskill obsessives unable to do simple math.