Kill Stealing - a step backwardsFollow

I like the locked encounters for the most part. But yea, kinda sucks what happened to ya.

Well put, Tarv!

You can't steal kills in this game.

Okay it's not classic EQ1 kill stealing, but it's bad if some jerk strolls by, lalala, and beats u to a pop you worked hard to create. It's camp stealing or whatever. It's wrong, it's worse than KSing in a way. And SoE is gonna do nothing to stop it. It's up to us on a case by case basis to tell people who do this not to.

I was camping a green ^^ named in BB and a guy close to lvl 30 comes by, ignores the gray spearfisher gnolls and beats me to the named. I asked him why = the guy was gray = I wanted a shot at another totem. Or loot or smoething. He said "oh I'm lookin for keys. You wanted to kill this guy?" ... duh I was standin there.

It's so bad i've seen people ooc "please don't attack tormentors, we are working hard to spawn them - for crying out loud JOIN us if u need em too - we got two open slots". But the servers are jam-packed w/ self-centered jerks who... well, let's just drop that one before I take us to new levels of rantdom.

Tarv = LOL. Hahahah. Maybe that's what has to happen.

As SoE said, there are no game mechanics that can stop jerks from being jerks. Hopefully they'll be the first ones to get bored and realise they belong in WoW.

Indeed, Warriors do get ranged attacks. I use a bow all the time. I don't know about Brawlers but Crusaders do not get to use ranged weaponry.

So what, might = right? Are you telling me a group of lvl 25s in EQ1 will not be KSed by a lvl 70? One nuke from a 70 will bring the mob past the 50% point. KS and Camp stealing has always been and will always be a problem in EQ1.

Mob locking is not the perfect solution but it's the best idea I have heard so far. They only way you are going to be KS free is to play an offline console game. Part of playing with other people is sharing, and if people are unable to share there is going to always be problems. Especially when you are sharing a game world with children.

Camps are an unenforcable thing. The only way camps work is with player courtesy. It's not something that can be written into rules. How do you define a camp? 1 mob? 2 mobs that are close to each other? all the nameds in an entire zone you can wipe in one pass? How long do I wait for you to engage? 5 seconds after pop? Is it ok for you to park your toon next to a spawn point and go take a nap and eat dinner checking in every half hour or so to see if the spawn is up?

KS'ing and camp stealing was a problem in EQ. It was one of Customer Services biggest source of complaints. Log into EQ1 and hang out in PC for an hour and tell me its not. The problem is undeniable, the proof is in the petitions.

If you have a better idea /feedback it, but I will never agree with the first person to do 51% damage owns a mob. I spent too many hours trying to get my fishbone earring to agree with that.

what Xythex says is correct....

technically you cannot KS in EQ2.. but you sure can take something someone was intending to take.. In short it comes down to common courtesy...

example: I was out in a duo and we were doing some minor XP'ing on dear and bears and came upon a dear with someone standing relatively close to it...

I chose not to attack it.. why?

first - there will be other dear

second - I'm not a mind reader.. he may have been AFK or slightly hurt (I didn't check his HP bar) and resting up before taking on the deer... or it may have been a quest item..

third - if "I" don't like it when someone takes something I'm standing right in front of.. I'm certainly *NOT* going to do that to anyone else.. Just because "everyone else is doing it" doesn't make it right or nice. MANY players would have just taken that deer under the statement of "if it's not engaged it's fair game" well it may be the case, that just means the dear is fair game and the claim taker is a jerk.

play by example, DON'T do the things you don't like having done to you.. (wow that sounded biblical didn't it? certainly not intentional but if it fits it fits). Be courteous.. if you see someone going for something.. break off and find another.... It's not a race for first hit and it's not like the re-spawn rate on any mob is all that low (except Named).

usually if I'm solo'ing and near someone else I'll point to say an orc in the commonlands and tell them "he's all yours I can wait for another one." and maybe.. there's a slight chance someone will adopt the attitude I have about mobs and say the same to someone else..

Though it would be nice to say everyone would eventually adopt such an outlook on things, I'm not that naive. However, one or two more people is good enough....

Kill Stealing, Mob Claiming, and Camp claiming are not game mechanics issues.. They're player personality issues which will never go away because an MMO is a world populated by *real* people.. should the day come that there is not a single jerk in real life.. THAT will be the day there is not a single jerk in an MMO.

I strongly suggest *NOT* holding your breath until that day... Unless of course.. you like the color blue, and death becomes you.

all you can *really* do is strive to not do the things you despise, regardless of how much you may want to out of frustration.

According to SOE a mob belongs to whoever does first damage to it. According to commonly accepted player ettiquite a mob can be yours if you call the camp ahead of time and pull the mob within a reasonable amount of time after it spawns.

The point of locking the player as well as the mob is to prevent power leveling as it happened in EQ1. So you lvl 50 Warden friend cant come and help you kill double up red mobs you can lvl in 10 kills. EQ2 bring alot of code to fix the very things that made EQ1 the mess it is today. No twinking, no power leveling, no buffs out of your group. Sure I miss getting an HP buff that adds 1000hp when I only have 300 but really that was never right inthe first place. I like what they have done.

I agree wholeheartedly with xythex.

And while I agree with xythex, I will also admit that I am no saint when it comes to KSing (in EQ1 of course). It seemed as though any time a female toon walks by an adolescent player, crude words were given. My answer to those was always the same: keep silent and destroy everything around their camp A.S.A.P. Childish? Sure. But I really got tired of the kids. That was reason number 1 as to why I left. FFXI was the same way.

So far in EQ2, I've not had a single problem. So far, everyone has been very courteous. Help and kindness is almost always available. (I used to think everyone was unkind, but I've grown as has everyone else in EQ2 - thank you all for being so gracious in this "new" old world.) Although, there seems to be an increase in what appears to be the adolescent hoard since the holiday season has passed...

The few encounters in which I have KSed other players in EQ2 have been purely accidental and after appologizing, I have been graciously forgiven.

I personally love the locked encounters.

So enough with my rambling!

Agreed, there are lots of these. those rabid bats in the down below are another. SOE should focus on making quest items drop off common mobs that are maybe difficult to get to or in instanced zones.