EQ2 or WoW>> Which is better??Follow

whats the point of a game if its work and not fun, its suppose to be challenge not pain

So here's some relevant info about my experience with World of Warcraft :

Immediately after installing, I created six characters. Just because I could. And the simple act of having that much choice makes a huge difference; if I get bored or frustrated I can always pick another character, and switch to that one, without penalizing myself and having to lose progress on some character.

I heard complaints about the graphics and their cartooniness. And yes, the minute I log in I'm stunned. Now I am basically Mr. Anti-graphic; I want gameplay. Even I said "Jeez, this sucks!" But I find out that WOW installs by default and uses the lowest possible graphics. Five minutes fiddling around with them and I think, well, they're cartoony but they look fine. And subsequent days I hardly notice the graphics and concentrate on playing the game, which is a good thing.

There are eight races with nine professions. I plan on playing one of each class, both Horde and Alliance. That's a total of 16 characters across at least two servers. Now, I can experience the entire game Blizzard designed, if I choose to invest the time. This is not possible in EQ2 without purchasing extra games or the station pass; in fact you need two accounts with the access pass to play one of each character class. About $44 per month versus $15 per month - big difference.

The server downtime is pretty bad. If you play at peak hours, over the last week, the servers are often down. I picked a second server to mess around on when the other servers are down. Then the login servers went down for extended periods of time. Sony has it all over Blizzard for reliability in my book - in my year of playing EQ1 I can remember one isolated login server issue, fixed in a single day. Given my Battle.net experiences, I'm not sure I see reliability in the future, though I hope I'm wrong.

My main character is turning out to be a soloer (Hunter Lvl 11). Any groups he gets into tend to be pickup groups centered around finishing a quest. Plenty of solo content so far, and it's all fun.

I have my professions and I'm working on them. When I need more money for my professions, I go out and do some lower-level XP'ing. Little chance to get killed, little XP reward, but I can grab enough cash to get on with my skinning or leatherworking without it taking days. Plenty of room in my bank - with the potential to buy more room if I want it. I can sell immediately and open up room, via the auction house. I can give stuff away easily via the mail system. In a word - Choices, and lots of them.

So far, the choice is clear for me. I'm feeling frustrated and limited in EQ2. Selling, soloing, bank space, and the 800 lb gorilla of four character slots. I'm irritated if I can't get in to WOW - but once I'm in, the game experience is fantastic. And Sony could make things much more open with the simple step of more character slots, which would open the game up and give more options. Not some pansy half-baked upgrade like "Well, we think you only need FOUR. Pay us extra, and you can get double!". A bunch of slots - 24 is what I want, and if half of them are on the test server that's acceptable.

Anyway - that's my thoughts. Posted here because I hate that the game has been ruined for me by one boneheaded decision.

My character journal - updated daily

Kano, you're one in a long line of people who've basically said "if you don't like EQ2 or find aspects of it seriously flawed, then quit" - and like the others I'm sure you've felt that's a big argument ender - like capturing the enemy's capitol.

Well, some of us actually *like* EQ2 but instead of singing its praises, we criticize it - because it's not good enough. I actually really like many aspects of EQ2 - and want to play it- but the gimped/broken parts tick me off so badly - but now you say I need to quit and shouldn't complain.

We also made the mistake of buying 6 mo's btw, and we can't get WoW - I won't pay twice retail on ebay. That's part of why I'm still trying to make the best of EQ2 - Im hoping I'll find something about the game to like enough to overcome my aversion to its flaws... so far, no luck.

But still, I'm sure, I should shut up and not complain.

I guess that means if I buy a car and basically like it - but as I drive it I come to realize some of its features stink - I shouldn't complain. Or I should immediately go sell it for a loss and take a chance on some other car. I mean, Gawd forbid I should so ruin your day by letting you know a car, at least imo, has some flaws - and maybe save you or someone else from buying it if those flaws would tick em off, too.

Further, like w/ any form of criticism, the hope is that by discussing these issues, somewhere, somehow, the world of MMOs will get better. Here, other sites, the official SOE site, we are posting what we *don't* like about the game with the hope that they'll fix it, if not now, in the next mmo. Unlike a car, they can alter the mmos. The game designers need to know we're out here, and we have numbers, too.

I refuse to be a "fan" and fall into the trap of adoring SoE for their creations. That way leads to stagnation, imo. I'm sorry if I'm ticking you off. I know a lot of people are averse to stress and complaints - they come to mmos to escape those in their real lives. But this is a forum on the game, not the game itself, and I think it's not only fair that we should be allowed to critique the game - in the long run, believe it or not, it will make MMO's better.

Have fun in Candy Land *wink =)

Please dont hate me...it is just fun!
All this and the games are for fun....PEACE!!
I just wanted to see reactions...not to heat or make anybody angry..ok? Please, no fights.

Also wanted to add (or maybe confirm) what i already said: EQ2 has all the potential, maybe will be the best MMO out there in quite some time (they already started announcing expansions etc, etc)....and maybe i will be "in their world" one more time..who knows? he he eh
With this, I just want to say that i dont dislike completely EQ2, i only think that they need to make serious adjustments to it. That's all.

At the end, any improvement, any development they can make to the genre will improve the quality of the games..and that will mean more fun to all of us. Right?

For now I will be WoWing for a while ...see you there..

(SOE may say...another one lost to "Ditech"...lol):D

Pasho.

i'm loving wow too. if you stop by "Blackhand" realm some time send me a tell. same name as my nick here =)

Hey, I don't only post here. Sometimes I'm posting here what I'm posting over there. I get better feedback here sometimes.

Working out my negative feelings towards the game helps, and this place helps me hone why I have them - other peoples' ideas made me realize that the EQ2 spells don't turn me on - they aren't in the least bit sexy - there is no "i must have that - i must level so i can get that spell" factor - none. It's a serious weakness in EQ2. People keep saying that old EQ started clunky and got better - but no - the spell system hardly changed. Old eq had killer must-have spells. It made grinding easier cuz I knew what I was grinding for.

Same for magic items by and large.

SOE people don't read here? That's pretty funny. I happen to know that is not true. They're not reading these boards much right now, but they do pop over here - and to any other relevant site. And who cares, anyway? Do movie makers read negative reviews? Usually they don't (I happen to know this, too). So should all movie reviewers give up??

Yeah, there are various levels of complainers against the game. I can understand that we tick you off - sorry. But even someone who just comes in here and grunts "it sux" has a right to say that - he's mad - frustrated - he had a bad experience and maybe isn't articulate enough to express it better. I'm articulate, but I can't play the piano - Gawd help me if society required me to play the piano instead of using words to express my feelings.

So, let's all calm down. Me included. And if we wanna disect the game and whatever - heck - just let us! Or be constructive for goodness sakes! Dangit, instead of telling me I shouldn't whine, I wish people could help me find a way to like this game. Okay, calm back down... hehe - well, nuff said. GL all!

Yes I'm all for comparison threads. They help new comers to know better of the games but when the thread turns into bashing and whining (either to the game or to the company) then it is useless. I did post a few comparison about WoW and EQ2 because I happen to play both game. At the moment I find them to be of equal strength and weakness, in different departments, so none is really superior to the other. And I really don't care if people choose to play one game or the other as long as they don't bash about the other game. Notice "bashing" is different than "constructive criticism" as EvilGnomes says.

No I don't think they should stop doing it, but they should change how they're doing it such that the movie makers actually listen to them. If their purpose is to make the movie makers produce better movie, then they aren't doing a good job because as you've said, what they are doing is futile so far. Can I ask you a question: if what you've been doing so far is unsuccessful, do you think it's better to find a new way to do things or keep doing what you did and hope for the best? However, if what they are doing is merely for the purpose of getting something out of their chest, then be it, but just don't post their personal opinion at where I and other thousands of people who actually enjoy the movie could read their comments.

I bet you didn't finish reading my previous post, or at least you didn't understand what I was trying to say there. Yes people have the right to express themselves, but that doesn't mean it is appropriate to express it however they want. Let's say B's wife died yesterday; do you think it's appropriate for A to say how he thinks B's wife were a stupid ***** and such? Sure A has the right to express his feelings towards B's wife, but that doesn't mean he can say that to anyone he wants, anytime he wants, and anywhere he wants.

You can complain about a game, but that should be done in an appropriate time, appropriate place, and to the right people. What exactly do you want when you and other people complain here? Do you want every one of us to protest with you? Do you want us to agree with you or argue with you? Or do you only want us just to hear your whine? Imagine you are happy with your car; it meets all your needs and you're comfortable driving it, but then suddenly someone hop in and tell you how stinks your car is and how stupid its features are. How would you think? Would you say "Thanks for telling me that. Now I must throw this garbage away and buy an actual car!!" or would you rather say "Thanks for telling me that but I'm happy with it and please get off my car."

Once again I want to stress that I do *NOT* think EQ2 is the best game out there and it's far from being prefect. There are aspect of the game I don't like too but I choose not to complain here, because I know it is useless and it would only make things worse here.


Edited, Fri Jan 21 15:19:05 2005 by kanonyuki

"You can complain about a game, but that should be done in an appropriate time, appropriate place, and to the right people."

Let's see, I'm posting in "General Forum", and one would assume that... oh wait. OMG look. There it is!

"Allakhazam Posting Rule: even though the lable may read "General Forum", it is not meant to imply that you may post what you deem to be "general" topics. You especially must not post game complaints here, because it is not the appropriate time, it is not the appropriate place, and it is not for the right people."

Oh my Gawd, I had no idea I was breaking a major Allakhazam commandment!!!! I am SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO SO sorry!

Please forgive me! My goodness, I'll never be so inconsiderate and disruptive again!

nay. its a regular server. i don't really pvp, at all.

Sure if you're offended by that analogy I can give another one. Say your friend invited you and me over for a dinner. He cooked and after the meal, you told me "hey the food sucks and he as a cook stinks." then you went on and criticize how bad his cooking was. Sure you're only expressing your opinion, but do you think it is appropriate to do that while I actually enjoyed the food?


Edited, Fri Jan 21 17:50:49 2005 by kanonyuki

Yes Toco I agree with you. If people come here to complain because they want to get more input of the game I have absolutely no problem with that. But as I've mentioned in another thread, some people who complain here don't have that incentive. It can be clearly seen that they complain just because they hate the game or want to bash SOE.

One more thing though, that is IMO bad information is just false information, which is, as the name implies, bad. Heck there is no "good information" or "bad information", but only useful information and useless information. Complaint is an accusation about something; the "something" part could be information, but the accusation part surely is not

Good points, Toco.

Kano, so you can tell what someone's intention is by reading a few of their sentences?

All Kanonyuke, the great mind-reader!

But seriously, last I looked at your tag, no one appointed you a monitor in this forum. So please stop trying to be one! Thanks very much.




(I'd love it if you'd take us on point by point and not just generalize - you're getting nowhere fast with that tactic)