EQ2 or WoW>> Which is better??Follow

Then you need to go re-read the posts you skipped Ivven.
The message from several of the WOW players (not all by any means) was that anyone still playing EQ2 is a moron or worse.

Don't get me wrong, there's some on the EQ2 side doing the same, but I don't notice it quite as much being as I'm on that side :) I don't think WOW players are morons, I do think that anyone who thinks one size fits all is foolish. There's reasons to enjoy either or both games, or even to watch Iron Chef America (personally I prefer the japanese version, its funny as anything).

well not to be a bit of a downer but that type of stuff is pure marketing spin.. (I work in marketing so I should know) is that 350,000 players or 350,000 characters? (yes they said "players" however they didn't say how many were alts) that was left a little gray and that's the key to marketing spin.. making the gray seem absolute through verbage...

regardless of weather it's true or not... if the people would simply do what they enjoy, without malice or harmful intent to others..(be it verbal or otherwise) and not worry about everyone else the world and the gaming community would be a much better place...

questions like "which is better" when presented in this context HAVE NO ANSWER!!! It is pure, one hundred percent, opinion. For the love of all that crawls give it up allready.

for every bad thing stated about EQ2 I can easily find a good thing about the same point... If I played WoW I'm sure I could do the same for it...

For those playing WoW now, that's good.. enjoy it, do the EQ2 allakhazam community a favor and post in the WoW forum and let this thread which has FAR outlived it's usefulness and is nothing more than a name-calling flame-fest die..... stop playing the "I have to get in the last word on this and show them they're wrong about <insert game here>" card....

Threads like this don't exist in the WoW forum because the instant any opinion other than "WoW is the best" shows up they get nuked to sub-default and flamed better than a prime cut of beef at a 4th of july barbeque... it's a fan board so this is to be expected.. perhaps we should do that here afterall...

Since it appears common courtesy isn't going to prevail and people seem bound and determined to not let bygones be bygones.. perhaps fear of a guaranteed karma blasting would bring this to an end.

truth be told, I think we're a bit too nice in this forum (some of us anyway ) to truly blast someone just for having a differing opinion... But there's no doubt this thread is useless now since any good information was given LONG ago (with a few exceptions.. VERY few) and now it's just mud-slinging and trite... or information about WoW that honestly belongs in a WoW forum... if it's not allready there.

maybe this thread should be locked....



/bow Mistress Nadenu

I'm going beyond that... I'm going back to playing my game of choice.. I was saving up for a horse in EQ2 but if this is the way people treat horses.... I may have to status-up for that flying carpet... no wait.. those get beaten too...

Nice info Toco. Sounds like both games are at least claiming to do extremely well. You guys know what that means right? OMG they are both doing well? Actually that's extremely good for all of us, both the EQ2ers and the WOWers. Because competition is nothing but positive for the player base.

Having a lock on the market is bad for the consumers. If one company has all the market, that means they don't need to work to keep your business.

So I'm absolutely thrilled that WOW is doing well. That can only mean that SOE will continue to try and make EQ2 better. I may not agree with some of their choices, but I know they'll have to keep working hard to keep my, and everyone elses, business.

So Yay! Wow! Yay! EQ2! Yay whoever is in 3rd place. I hope there is a 3rd place finisher who's nibbling at Blizzard and SOE's market share. I don't know who that would be though. But I hope they are out there.

Tocopheryl

Once again you failed to recognize the very simple fact that you are doing the exact same thing. You stated WoW is superior to EQ2, I stated EQ2 is superior to WoW and exactly why I believed it. If you have a problem with my description or feel insulted by it then you have a choice to reply, refute, or ignore it.

You get on to me concerning whether I feel superior or more intelligent when you clearly made a sarcastic remark concerning how many posts I have essentially somehow believing that my credibility is built on number of posts which is equivalent to stating the amount of words coming out of a persons mouth should determine whether they are truthful or not.

I am stating my disgust and utter disdain for everything Warcraft. The question was which is better, I answer with my version of why just like you answered with your version. Apparently my version (the graphics and level of depth are severely lacking) is unacceptable to you while your version is perfectly acceptable to you. Gee, I wonder how that works? How about you directly answer my questions rather than dodge them by characterizing what you believe my attitude or my point of view is.

You stated there is a huge difference between adding my comments or explaining my point of view on a forum and insulting others or the game they play. Not really. I may take it as an insult simply that you stated WoW was superior to EQ2. In which case stating anything opinion based is automatically insulting to someone which disagrees. Your trying to make the case that because I disagree with you I should keep quiet.

Notice what I stated in my earlier post which you refer to as insulting, clearly indicating it was MY OPINION and nothing more:
"That TO ME SEEMS quite an inferior experience to even think of delving into". I state I think the EXPERIENCE (the gaming experience in WoW) is inferior. Why is that insulting? Should I instead state I the gaming experience is wonderful and better than EQ2 and lie? heh, I suppose you wouldn't consider that insulting at all and therefore would allow me to state it.

As far as feeling superior to those who watch Disney movies, I don't. My son watches the Wiggles. I just stated that I'd rather not play a fantasy game that looks like your in the world of "The Wiggles" and prefer a game based in a LOTR type environment.

First off, please paste my post where I was sarcastic and remarked that your credibility is equal to your number of posts.

Secondly, I have never, well I won't use never since I am not sure... But I do not recall ever saying that WoW was a superior game. I posted the reasons I did not like EQ2, which have nothing to do with WoW. If you read through my posts, I was unhappy with EQ2, for those same reasons, long before I even played WoW. I was against WoW as a matter of fact. I even defended EQ2 vs WoW's PvP.

My beef was with EQ2 and how the 'Vision' of the game was being implemented and changing the entire gaming experience. Not a simple "Warriors are doing too much damage with a knife" but a "You were never meant to get good loot or solo group mobs, so that is going away... Right now. Bye!". To me, that is a totally unfinished product where you have to go to extremes and change the landscape of the game. I can understand tweaking but the core game should have been done during testing.

I explained the reasons I was unhappy and no longer having fun with the game. Even in my previous posts I expressed my like for the technologies of EQ2 but felt that the graphics in WoW were not less, they were just different.

Regardless, I feel that it is in the way you presented your opinion that caused me to post my previous post to you. To me, there is a difference between saying:

The graphics in EQ2 have a 'plastic' look to them and are too shiny. I can turn down the lighting and other options to make it look less shiny and more workable.

Or saying:

The graphics in EQ2 look so fake and plastic like "Barbie as Rapunzel". Enjoy your CGI Barbie world!

Heh, and that is so fitting too. It reminded me of that horrible overplayed Barbie song that said "I'm made of plastic". Just the fact that I know what that said... Anyway.

I have no problem with you or anyone else posting their opinion about anything. Its the way the opinion was presented that caused my reaction. You can give your opinion without insulting those that like said product. Why would I, or anyone else, feel insulted? Let's look at what you said:















Now let's take one of your explanations as to why you said what you said. This is the catalyst that confirms your previous comments were also insults, which is how I read them. This, as well as your '1st grade' comment.



You associate WoW with Pokemon, My Little Pony, Strawberry Shortcake, Mary Poppins, Disney, The Wiggles and other cartoons that I may have missed by name. Cartoons that are marketing driven, made for children and/or girly in nature.

What I understood from your comments was that (this is excluding the post where you flat out call people that find something funny which you do not, morons) anyone that likes WoW is a childish, immature moron that is inferior to you and likes cartoons that are made for children, primarily girls.

That is not an opinion as to why you like EQ2 over WoW, it is an insult, or if you prefer opinion, to anyone that likes WoW. There is no 'agree to disagree' here. Its a 'if you like WoW you are a sissy that is a moron and is lead by the nose through marketing'. It is that 'feeling', that I get from your posts, that I am referring too.

Your posts contain no constructive criticism and appear to only be made to inflame and insult. Your opinion, if name calling is an opinion, is not only about 2 distinct games, but about the gamers that choose to play them.

I'm not asking you to agree with me or to accept that I am right or to lie and pretend you like WoW. I do ask that you take your fellow gamers into consideration when posting.

I believe an opinion shouldn't be so biased as to be insulting to those that differ from your views. That sounds more like bashing. If in fact you feel so biased, then I ask that you be civil and post what you like so much about EQ2. Leave the bashing for in-game mobs.

I also believe in 'discussing' over 'arguing'. Arguing already carries too much emotion with it.

Go Toco and Ivven! Heheh, all I know is that I'm having fun, and it ain't in Norrath!

And I'm not criticizing anyone for liking EQ2 - as I've said before there is much to be commended about it - for me, however, the negatvies are just too overwhelming. If someone else likes it - I'm honestly happy for them.

And you know, a few weeks ago I was exploring Stormwind - and I said to the other EvilGnome, "This place looks like Disneyland! It has a Cinderella's Castle aspect to it - and also - like how every square foot of Disneyland has been thought about, planned or groomed (and by a person who is creative and good at it) - this whole world is like that. Every part of it - city, woods, minor river, remote jungle - whatever - has been well made - just like Disneyland - if you ever go to Disneyland just study the place - the details everywhere - the stylized feel... the place is amazing, as is WoW. So if the H-trifecta guy wants to call WoW Disneyland, hey, I'm cool with it.

Most important thing about WoW for me: I do not feel like I'm "grinding" - instead I'm having fun! Remember fun? It's a good thing, btw (in honor of Martha getting out of jail there - hadta work it in (the "it's a good thing" comment)). GL!

First i want to clarify that, this being a place for EQ2, i will only say my experience with that game. I am not going to compare EQ2 to anything.

I posted this thing because i bought EQ2 and paid my fee. man!... i didn't even finish the trial period. Why? Because the game sucks! And i dont care if saying that is a matter of opinnion or not...my reasons:
1. I bought a brand new Super PC and Internet connection just to play EQ2. I go home, install the game and the freaking game starts lagging as hell!! WTF?? Went to the forums, checked things and found out that you have to use the International Space Station computers just to play it (using only low settings!!)
What is that??? EXCUSES!! Was SoE thinking in the future?? well..good luck then...maybe in 10 years i will see again how is EQ2 doing. THAT is future.
Having this kind of start with a game is frustrating and sad.
Why should i feel like i just got a 286pc machine when i just spent that money in a computer?? Because Soe said so? ...Doh!!

2.For me, a game means options. The more options you have, the richer your game experience. a) Start playing EQ2 (on a frame style as Toco said, because of the lag) and i found out that i have to stay inside a tiny, studid, depressing room for ages just to sell one item. WTF?? Did i bought a game to become a "prisoner"?? No way!!
b)"We have no intention of implement PvP in EQ2" What is that??? For sure is not freedom...at least you should have that option. c) "We have added tons of solo and small group content".....what?? it wasn't there before?? so, what i was doing then?? I dont like to play always in a group...

3.Supergraphics?? what is supergraphics when your char looks like other 300 guys out there wearing the same robe, the same stick and with the same way of moving?? lol...that is like the Blue Man group...lol
We have the technology to see 3D pictures from the surface of Mars and computers capable of sending pictures and graphics from the moons of Jupiter but uncapable of running EQ2?? lol..can simply laugh at that

4.I hate when someone is not loyal and stabs another in the back.

Ohhh Really????? Then what happenened with my money when i couldn't play because your darn servers were all down?? What happened when, because of the stupid lag, i couldn't even move??
COME ON!!! Be honest!!! We have people here saying that we should not compare games right?? then how do we call what SOE is doing ????? A marketing campaign??? COME ON!!!

I mean...i dont want to continue.
Flaming? maybe, but that is not my intention...just stating my opinnion. I am not comparing anything. It is just my experience.
Wanna see future? wanna see supergfx? excellent games?? Have you seen what is under development lately?? (I'm not gonna mention names) THAT MY FRIENDS IS FUTURE.

Edited, Fri Mar 4 11:18:58 2005 by Pasho

Psssst......your computer wont play it...dont worry about it...LOL

It is a very interesting and long thread to read. I found myself keep coming back to read what happened to each of you when I'm at work :) I'm glad to find out some of you are very happy now :D

I never played EQ or EQ2, it's still very interesting to see what you guys say about the game.

I quit FFXI because it starts to do more damage than good to real life after a year. I started to play the game purely because of it's character design (tarutaru that is :) and graphic, more addicted to it because of that, too.

I once told myself and others I'll never play WoW because its charcater looks all ugly... well I did somehow get a open beta key for WoW (didn't get a beta key for EQ) and start playing retail. All I have to say is it really looks different once you start playing your char (cape graphic, that alone made me happy). The game has vivid color and rich in texture. I would say if you compare realism graphic type game to work of Leonardo Da Vinci, then WoW could be Claude Monet. While everyone can feel breathtaken on first sigh of "Mona Lisa", fewer can really appreciate "Lily Pond".

To be fair, WoW is easy, user friendly and fun, but really lack of end game content. I hope Blizzard will add more stuff soon (currently underdevelopment). From what I read EQ2 has a lot to do in end game, but lvl up is very hard. Sounds like FFXI, I admire friend's achievement and people end game screenshot all the time, as much as I wish I could be there myself, my patient has wear thin after not feeling accomplish much after a year.

Just out of curiosity, from many of your EQ2 player's argument, EQ2 has really good graphic which is really made for future computer and gameplay somewhat incomplete at this moment. So what will make me to play this game now instead of after 2 years?

Not exactly the same though, the major difference is ofcourse that there is only one 'job' to level up in EQ II instead of having to level up several jobs with the same character in FF XI. A huge difference :)




The graphics in EQ II are indeed very nice, the spell effects in particular are often excellent, but you don't need the uber-computer to have a decent graphic in EQ II. Like Zorrk stated, with a decent computer you can have good graphics, with minimal lag (personally use a 2.0 ghz, 1 gig of ram which is absolutely necessary and a Radeon 9800 pro), I tend to only lag using the griffin. (after a couple of hours also in the city, sometimes)

Levelling in WoW is easier, you get a lot more xp from killing mobs that in EQ II. EQ is a lot more quest oriented, perfectly soloable but then you have to concentrate on doing quests. Lots more quests to do in EQ II too though.

Although I agree to the fact that WoW is fun, that the graphics are indeed nice too, I wouldn't exactly call it user friendly though, definitely not the interface, too limited, there's not much you can alter about it without using mods.

I'm still in doubt as to what I'm going to do with my WoW account, most likely stick to it but I'm not going to play often, EQ II is taking a lot of my time lol.

leveling in WOW is easier for the first 10 to 15 levels, then it is about the same as EQ2. in a group or out.

It took me two hours to level from 17 to 18, and doing it the slow way as I was also heading towards the Night elf city. Impossible to level that fast in EQ II at that level. (it's also with almost no quests done)

as for quests. ROFL, WOW blows EQ2 away. WOW is more like the isle of reffuge all the way through. there are so many quests, adn most of them soloable, you are NEVER just xp ing unless that is what you want to do. my human warlock has done nothing but quests since day one. at level 18, i still have 5 open quests. this is just staying in the area for humans too. there are 3 starting places. i have just been doing one of them and have yet to find myself out of quests, and needing to grind ot level and open up more.

I disagree completely, lol, EQ II is far superior in regards to quests. WoW is extremely repetitive in quests so far, every zone appears to have it's own recipe that needs hunting for, every zone requires the occassional mob clean-out. Although I haven't reached the higher lvl, so I'm not sure if this remains so.

I've done about 300 quests in EQ II, never grinded apart from one time when I went giant hunting with a group, yet I reached lvl 27 with my paladin.


in EQ2, most quests are group quests. you spend more time begging for a group than questing after level 15 or so. infact, you spend more time LFG than playing the game if you play for an hour or two at a time. many times in EQ2 i had ot delete quests that were unfinnished because i couldnt get a group together to finnish them and out leveld the area i was fighting in.

Nah, there are some, but the real group levels don't start until lvl 26, sigh. It does get really bad starting from that though. Before that level I only had to group to get the final mobs usually, if even that.

I never deleted a quest, I always finished them before they turned grey. And without having to group 9 times out of ten.


graphics:
EQ2 is superrior to WOW. alot more detail. however, there is alot more color in WOW. everyone is not wearing the same brown adn silver armor. the buildings have more color, the water is actually better looking underwater than EQ2 is. EQ2 is more lifelike. WOW has more diversity.

Agreed, WoW is a lot more colourful. And for some reason I always get the PS2 game Medieval in my head when I log on, lol, especially when I see the Harvest mobs.

quests:
EQ2 is group mandatory after about level 15 for questing. WOW is not. most quests are soloable, even if the area is dangerious, you can find a sysem that works. WOW quests make the game. you can log on for an hour or so, and finnish or progress a couple quests even if you never get a group invite. there is more to the solo game in WOW because of this.

I cannot disagree more, EQ II has a superior amount of quests, more diverse, and most of the quests (up to lvl 26 anyway) are quite soloable. Spawns in EQ II do have an extremely irritating spawn time, aargh, extremely irritating. It took me about 10 hours before I got two mobs in Stormhold area, almost bored myself to death that time. And it does not improve, there are quests in EQ II that involve hunting for the most elusive mobs there are (young timber badgers anyone? Haven't seen more than 7! in about a month, yet I need 30 of those blasted mob!)

grouping:
EQ2 is class spacific and more involved for your spacific class. the grouping game is much more satisfying than in WOW. the downside is, EQ2 is group mandatory. if your not in a group, you are not advancing a quest, or advancing levels at a snails pace. WOW is group friendly, but not group mandatory. most people do not group in WOW other than to finnish a group quest.

I disagree again completely for a lvl up to 26, I soloed my way with quests (abundant number) and a few groups to finish some quests.


world:
EQ2 is very limited and linnier. in WOW you have 3 starting areas for each the good and evil side. and it is SEAMLESS. no zonning. no access quests to see whats around the corner. and for the first 20 levels in both games, WOW has 2 ot 3 times the content than EQ2 does. havent experienced the upper levels in either game so cant comment on them. WOW has alot more diversity in theri enviroment too right form the get go. you have to grind, quest and level to get to the diversity in EQ2.

Agreed, completely. And especially those awful access quests, that is one of the worst ideas EVER, imo ofcourse. EQ II is too restrictive, there is no sense of exploration anymore, only what you are allowed to see because you have the right level.

WoW isn't 100% seamless though, although that's just splitting hairs I suppose.

death:
EQ2 still punnishes you for dying. WOW does not. other than making the run from the graveyard, as a ghosts that nothing aggros on, or accepting armor damage and reviving yourself at the graveyeard and foregoing the corpese retrivial all together, there is no XP penalty of any kind for dying in WOW. just get up, and get right back on that ponie.

This gives the advantage to EQ II imo, there has to be a penalty for dying, a bit more than just having to pay some money to repair armour. I've played FF XI and did my share of ghetto questing there, doing things that I knew where going to kill me but that I needed to do to finish a quest. I only did that because I had no worries about dying. It's too easy in WoW.


time:
EQ2 takes a butt laod more time at each sitting to accomplish anything meaningfull. most of it is spent begging for a group in their group mandatory game too. WOW is very time friendly, as are all games other than EQ1 and EQ2

It does get pretty worse at a higher lvl (only 27 though), but up till then I never waited for a group, never wasted much time either. There was no need for a group, apart to kill a few mobs but that's the same in WoW with the elite quests (although waiting a few levels untill you can solo that mob is quite possible too)


But at this point in time, I'm considering quitting BOTH games. EQ II is too frustrating, I can't take it anymore to have to hunt mobs that will not give me any xp yet they still take forever to defeat (armour and weapon all yellow and orange btw, only a three are blue)for quests, some even pose a serious threat to me even if they are 6 lvls lower. I don't see any reason why SOE can't alter it so grey mobs go down faster, they won't drop any loot worthy of mentioning and the quests that I finish with them won't give me any xp to mention either.

I need to do access quest after access quest, stuck as I always need a group for it, to reach a zone where I will have to group in at first as everything will be most likely a group mob that will kill me in seconds. Group mobs are the devil's invention, there's no other explanation for it.

The game is indeed too lineair, and just doesn't have much to do honestly. Sabotage quests, woohoo, loads of fun, right clicking items sigh. Guild meetings are boring as there is just nothing to do, can't have a dueling tournament, can't do any scavenging quests, no treasure hunts, ...


But to be honest, WoW isn't that much better. It's too easy, crafting at a very low lvl provides the best armour or weapons or enchantments, mobs go down like nothing (a bit of a challenge is appreciated, I know I'm hard to please though, lol), no community feeling whatsoever, it seems to me that the game is too concentrated on PvP. And I'm not good enough for PvP unfortunately.

Ach wass, I guess I'm just going through a tough phase, either that or I'm losing my interest in MMORPG's. That's always possible too.

I'll just wait for either EQII's new expansion, or Star Trek online. Perhaps a good science fiction mmorpg will improve my mood.

people who say you dont get engaging long groups in WoW need to try an instance