EQ2 or WoW>> Which is better??Follow

Evilgnomes it's funny you should mention the "Disney" look to WoW. It reminds me of Tim Burton style artwork, especially the Undercity. It grew on me, I hated it when I first started but now I like it. Very colorful... compared to the everlasting brown of EQ2 it's a nice change. EQ definately still does have better graphics, but the fact that they made everything brown kind of defeats the purpose :/

Remember that Vanguard is the original EQ "Vision" team. The people who wanted you to spend time on boats, who said there would never be Soulbinders. The game has improved enormously since they left. Not everything is right but I don't think the claim to be the original team is terribly encouraging.

Besides anyone can have great plans and put up a good website. Delivery depends on a lot more. I was really looking forward to Warhammer Online and they pulled the plug on it.

That would be awesome - it was an idea I had that I was going to add to my Hall of Innovation thread ... cept I got sucked into WoW.

It's funny - one of my little kids says stuff like "what's the point in killing the badguy if he is back in ten minutes - did we really kill him?" --- and I've had to point out that you have to use your imagination, etc. - pretend he doesn't exist anymore, etc.

But it would be so cool if, after you do major quests or kill major mobs, the game changes for you.

I.e. once you kill a major boss - or a unique mob - it's GONE for you. Or what if when you discover Rivervale and how it's possessed and etc. - and all the coerced or corrupted hobbits attack you - once you finally, after great effort, free them - that toon is now flagged to enter a NEW rivervale where the hobbits are rebuilding and don't attack you. Man, imo that would rock!

I'll have to roll an undead toon and check out the undercity - sounds fun... cept for the corpse eating thing... brrrr. I'll have to do it when the kids are in bed. "Daddy! No!! You can't kill the deer! It's PRETTY!!" I got a regular lil Holly Windstalker here - no no no - not really. Heaven forbid! But she does like to look at all the pretties in the game - either game. heheh. GL all!

(edit, this is sort of OT and random, but it just occured to me that something that would really rock in any of these games - well, to round out the Disney image to WoW, the griff rides are really like amusement part 'rides' - I mean they are killer, esp SW to IF. And there are other "ride" aspects , like on the road from the dwarf and gnome newb area to IF there is a group of toons who are doing mortar practice - it is hysterical! It's just like being on one of the theme rides in Disneyland and watching animatronic bots act out stuff. But what would rock would be something like... the goblin's run-away mine cart. In RL some mines were also used as public transportation - cuz they served as tunnels literally through mnt ranges. What if the gobs offered transportation in a mine cart, or an adapted one w/ seast, through one of their mines - to get under the mountains?? It'd be just like a roller coaster, but w/ random events to see. Each time you do it you should have a chance of seeing different events as you zip by. Man I'd love that. Well, you can see where my brain is atm... heh. Literally I have to go mine copper to make silver for griff rides for my little kids - they love em!)

Edited, Thu Feb 3 17:29:16 2005 by EvilGnomes

Actually no it doesn't.

EQ just had some dynamic content. Quests that trail the new expansion. If you didn't complete them before they were solved you never will. It favours the big guilds and the hardcore players who can devotre the time to it. By the time the casual player finds out what is going on it's already over.

So if you feel that way...the tread was almost out of site until you bumped it.

Say no to drugs


Edited, Thu Feb 3 23:57:21 2005 by toxicmoon

That's what I do. Except then I forgot to stop pretending while I'm looting his remains, and he spawns again and chews me and my poor pet up because we're only at half health from the last fight.

Ah, my poor Hyena Sijvra. He always gets abused for my mess ups.

I'm glad there's no exp debt though... because it'd be hard to keep him in the "Happy Pet" status if there was, with as much as I get him killed on our misadventures. >_<

The servers are down :( I miss my ugly smelly Hyena dog puppy /cry

Ok, so according to you I'm "so wrong" about mentioning that the mobs past the entry trash can be red to a level 15 group. So wrong that you had to edit your original post three times and go off and research the bestiary section, upon which you made the startling revelation that, just as I so "wrongly" asserted, the mobs past the entry trash can in fact con red to level 15's. Nice. Whats funny is you saying I'm wrong, yet furiously typing all those words that end up agreeing with what I wrote.




We got trained repeatedly. We gathered multiple bubbles of exp debt. Just like in VS, you stay away if it proves to be a bad night of trains. We were raping the easy trash mobs, but they weren't giving much exp and had to move further in where it proved to be much too dangerous with the amount of trains we got.

Unlike VS and EQ1, there aren't many other places to go in EQ2 - which happened to be my main point. EQ1 had a zillion places to set up shop and grind out some exp, while EQ2 gives you two or three worthwhile spots to go from 14-20 - the same time the game starts to get boring.

While it picks up at 25, the jump from 16-25 was not what I would consider fun.




Ok, so what part about "past the entrance mobs" was too hard for you to comprehend? I never once said anything about the entrance mobs in VS being too hard. I'm glad you had fun with the sissy junk in the entrance while we tried to venture a bit further into the dungeon.

This game is not rocket science. The tank taunts, healers heal, melee classes melee, enchanter controls mobs, finger wiggler nukes stuff. Wow. So hard. Same **** from EQ1 where our group came from and where the least of us was no less than Elemental/Kod'Taz flagged.

You misunderstood the content and intention of my post, and got hung up on arbitrary details that you misread in the first place. The game sucks from level 16-20, period. It picks up at 25, but the only reason I stuck around was the hope that it would get better (which I feel it has). Looks like Sony is getting around to fixing stuff in the latest patches that many of us have addressed, and I'm very glad to see this. Still, the game needs a fundamental change in order to capture the fun of EQ1 which I don't think is going to happen.

"For example, say the Rivervale one. A player completes it and is flagged to get the "rebuilding" instance of Rivervale, but s/he is partied with another person who has yet to complete the quest. What happens then? "

This is easy. They can't enter Rivervale together. One enters one, one enters the other. They can exit on the other side perhaps and team back up and keep going - or you make the town a "terminus" - this isn't rocket science, people. The way you make the game "player influenced" is by flagging and by offering a few special zones where it occurs. Think it through - it would be cool - and it could easily be made to work.

Just like you couldn't go to a certain plane if you weren't flagged for it. Hey, if you haven't saved RV yet, you can't do the help RV rebuild quests. If you must team w/ someone who isn't up w/you, then do some othe quest that isn't "player influenced" - or where you two are synched.

Well, I see it. If you don't... hell, I don't care. It's not like any mmo is gonna ever have the ballz to try something cool like this, anyway.

Not so much unsettling but what another person said. The high end players, the ones that are already level 50, would get to enjoy the dynamic content. The rest of us that are, at best, in the 20s now, and won't get near 50 for another 6 months, would only get to see the results of the "ubers" activities.

It breeds resentment. When you know that you will NEVER get a chance at some content. I remember it well from EQ1, there's a number of zones that most casual players will never see. It requires an organized, raid heavy guild to get into some of those zones (yes there are exceptions, but that's not the point).

The average, working full time with a family and a couple of hours of playing time each night, type of casual player will never see those zones. And over time it breeds resentment. It may not be rational (and I don't agree with people who feel they should get the same rewards for different levels of effort) but its out there. So far in EQ2 I haven't heard of a zone that everyone can't go to with a limited amount of effort. Usually any single group of people can get there if they try.

The only dynamic content I believe would work with the entitlement mentality that people tend to have, is that open to everyone. So the game changes for anyone who completes it, but not for everyone. Like the rivervale idea. The world changes for YOU because YOU did something to affect it. But your buddy that hasn't done that part yet, doesn't see what you see.

Duke you were on a PvP server, weren't you?

I'm on an RP server, Cenarion Circle...the majority (80 percent) are age 20+ on this server. They had a thread on the official forums about Meeting the Face behind the player. Several pages long. As I recall, the last time I read that thread one 16 year old and one 14 year old had posted, everyone else on that thread was 20+.

Including me.

I hardly consider it a "kiddie" game, since the Horde Defense on CC is very strategic, they have "jobs" almost within the horde, and since we're out numbered 2:5 it takes a lot to defend our lands.

Now, if all you do is level, then yes...it's a "kiddie" game. But there's a lot more to WoW than people give credit for. No, it's not as "long" a game as EQ2, but the instances of "kids" playing -- on my server -- are few and far between.

ya..wow's chars all look different because of the cool armor and weapons and shirts and stuff but a big reason is because all the races are unique and blizzard had an imagination instead of sony just trying to make everything look super realistic, like half elves and humans looking exactly the same

Ey Lydiaele, maybe den I be seein ya one day on de battlefield. Ya be lookin for de Troll Hunter named Razabajin, dat be me mon.

*wink*

I love CC. It's a great server.

Mokuba, EQ2 is not a bad game. The main problem with the game is that the customer relations do a very poor job at listening to what their customers want, and the game feels like it had been rushed to the stores, rather than finished before it was released.

One day I may come back to EQ2, in a year or so when things are straightened out and major bugs fixed. Right now I'm just having too much fun in WoW though. Seriously, it is a nice break from the typical "takes dedication" type of MMORPG. Not that those are bad, but right now I just need something different for a change.

Edited, Mon Feb 7 16:54:12 2005 by Ivven

Pasho you nut ;) you forgot to link the filter part. Hehe for example although not a MMORPG really just an example

Starcraft = played by 99% or the Korean population, specializing in creating 1.5 million of the same unit to overun thier enemy!
(if you can tell I have run some LANs and seen this in action :) )

Now your homework is rather extensive but I will have to give you a B- cause you missed the description of the players of each :P now back to work!

hehe

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