Hi all,
I logged on the day after the patch with my Level 22 Weaponsmith to make some carbonite spikes for a friend. Now normally, I am able to make a prstine spike about 90% of the time (and pristine bars 100%). The spike would take me to the limit of my power using the buffs and the bar would take about 50% of my power up. So i was confident of making him the 20 spikes in no time at all.
Thing is, it suddenly got harder! Now a bar uses up full power by the time I get halfway/three quarter way through the craft. I ended up with a load of non-pristine bars and then even worse spikes. It was fortunate the quality didnt matter to my friend...but it does to me. What will happem when i need to make those carbonite edges for my weapons? I could normally rely on a good pristine rate, leading to a 50% pristine hit on the wepon itself. Now I can only see myself making pristine stuff if it is a green/grey craft to me.
Did anyone else notice this after the patch? If so, was it intentional? I have not crafted since as resources are so darned expensive (too expsnive to waste on almost guaranteed failure). Us weaponsmiths have it bad enough already with people generally only buying pristine weapons from us and no xp bonus for crafting question marks.
Please tell me it's gonna get better (or has since i last tried!)
Minky
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Morning Minky,
I am in a crafting guild (small one with 12 members) but no one was on this weekend due to the difficulty with crafting. Apparently it takes an Alchemist all of his power to make a round of tempers and resins.
I am a level 23 carpenter and I have noticed that some of my lesser skills (i.e. forge and tailoring) are much more difficult and I have to rest after each combination. This is even using "conservative" spell buffing.
There was a small update on Sunday that lessened the power use but none of my guild members logged back in during the time I played. That is extremely rare since they usually play a lot more then I do.
Not sure what will happen. Some were really irritated to the point of de-installing EQ2. I think that is a bit of over-kill but I find crafting to be much more enjoyable then adventuring.
Also, the prices of above mentioned Tempers and Resins (if you could find them) were double what they used to be due to the fact that they are extremely hard to make.
We will see....
Bub
I am in a crafting guild (small one with 12 members) but no one was on this weekend due to the difficulty with crafting. Apparently it takes an Alchemist all of his power to make a round of tempers and resins.
I am a level 23 carpenter and I have noticed that some of my lesser skills (i.e. forge and tailoring) are much more difficult and I have to rest after each combination. This is even using "conservative" spell buffing.
There was a small update on Sunday that lessened the power use but none of my guild members logged back in during the time I played. That is extremely rare since they usually play a lot more then I do.
Not sure what will happen. Some were really irritated to the point of de-installing EQ2. I think that is a bit of over-kill but I find crafting to be much more enjoyable then adventuring.
Also, the prices of above mentioned Tempers and Resins (if you could find them) were double what they used to be due to the fact that they are extremely hard to make.
We will see....
Bub
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Yes the patch has made things PAINFULLY difficult. Pristines are painfull to get, Alchemists are now charging and arm and a leg for thier products. Tradeskills is a bad joke now. you can't make any money at all now, raw material market is non-existant cuz of broker nerf, and Weopnsmiths are harder to find than a highschool vigin.
Serioulsy thinking of going to WoW.
Dracosy Blackring
Innothule Server
Serioulsy thinking of going to WoW.
Dracosy Blackring
Innothule Server
As i suspected!
I think I will lay of crafting for a while until something is done about it, or at least prices for tempers and the like calm down.
I'm a bit concerned that they made this change as making money from crafting was hard enough as it was (from a weaponsmith point of view anyway).
here's hoping it will be fixed!!
Minky
I think I will lay of crafting for a while until something is done about it, or at least prices for tempers and the like calm down.
I'm a bit concerned that they made this change as making money from crafting was hard enough as it was (from a weaponsmith point of view anyway).
here's hoping it will be fixed!!
Minky
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After making umpteen pristine sepia dyes and inks, all of a sudden my recipe has now only shaped sepia dye or ink as best product. Is this downgrading also a result of the patch?
Compwitch
Compwitch
That sounds like one of three things:
1) a bug introduced by the patch, but as I have heard nothing of this from anyone else I suspect not
2) You are using substandard ingredients as the primary ingredient.
3) I am misunderstanding what you are saying and am about to sound patronising :P
What quality primary ingredient are you using?
Cheers
Minky
1) a bug introduced by the patch, but as I have heard nothing of this from anyone else I suspect not
2) You are using substandard ingredients as the primary ingredient.
3) I am misunderstanding what you are saying and am about to sound patronising :P
What quality primary ingredient are you using?
Cheers
Minky
Minky,
The bad thing is that I absolutely love to craft. Adventuring is boring and since I can only play a few hours a day if I am lucky, I have found crafting to be worth my time.
It's somthing you can do without other people.
Now it's broken and I am seriously considering just moving on to other games.
It sort of ticks me off since there was absolutely no mention of these "improvements" in any previous statements.
Just wake up one morning and BAM! Your abilities have been reduced by 50% and now you must rest between crafting items.
I was so looking forward to crafting level 26 Ash Strong Boxes (see other posts). Now it will take me 6 months to get there because no one is selling the sub ingredients I need.
Homer Simpson said it perfectly, "BOOOORING."
Wonder how World of Warcraft is doing nowadays.
The bad thing is that I absolutely love to craft. Adventuring is boring and since I can only play a few hours a day if I am lucky, I have found crafting to be worth my time.
It's somthing you can do without other people.
Now it's broken and I am seriously considering just moving on to other games.
It sort of ticks me off since there was absolutely no mention of these "improvements" in any previous statements.
Just wake up one morning and BAM! Your abilities have been reduced by 50% and now you must rest between crafting items.
I was so looking forward to crafting level 26 Ash Strong Boxes (see other posts). Now it will take me 6 months to get there because no one is selling the sub ingredients I need.
Homer Simpson said it perfectly, "BOOOORING."
Wonder how World of Warcraft is doing nowadays.
Some people may say that we had it too good and everything needed to slow down.
I was getting rich making money as a carpenter. I wasn't poor either. I can really only sell one item and make any decent money and that was the Maple boxes.
No one wants player crafted furniture. Sure, it makes your room look cool but no one ever bought a bed, bookcase, or table off of me. Heck, I rarely saw any furniture for sale from other crafters.
I was getting rich making money as a carpenter. I wasn't poor either. I can really only sell one item and make any decent money and that was the Maple boxes.
No one wants player crafted furniture. Sure, it makes your room look cool but no one ever bought a bed, bookcase, or table off of me. Heck, I rarely saw any furniture for sale from other crafters.
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) You are using substandard ingredients as the primary ingredient.
Nope, went back and doublechecked when the servers went back up and I'm definitely using pristine isonoid reagent. I haven't produced anything less than a pristine in quite some time. Even my recipe book says "shaped" for these two items. I can't think of any reason why it should suddenly downgrade.
Compwitch
Nope, went back and doublechecked when the servers went back up and I'm definitely using pristine isonoid reagent. I haven't produced anything less than a pristine in quite some time. Even my recipe book says "shaped" for these two items. I can't think of any reason why it should suddenly downgrade.
Compwitch
I did post a reply here but it seems to have disappeared.
Look at www.eq2traders.com. They have a statement from Moorgard of SoE on their front page.
They say many things but amongst them that Pristines were too easy and this was not how they were meant to be.
They also changed the use of the TS buffs to prevent people stacking them so much.
This has probably made it harder to craft but if it makes the Pristine versions of things harder to get then perhaps they will once again be worth more than they cost to make. You can't have it both ways. If it is easy to make pristine items then their value will hit the floor.
Look at www.eq2traders.com. They have a statement from Moorgard of SoE on their front page.
They say many things but amongst them that Pristines were too easy and this was not how they were meant to be.
Quote:
Additionally, pristine crafted items have been entering the economy at an extremely high rate. This has created the perception that pristine items are the norm and that anything less has no value, which was not how we envisioned it to be. Pristine items were meant be more rare and valuable than they are now, while other grades of items were intended to be desirable to players. To allow pristine items to continue to enter the world at an accellerated rate would limit our ability to introduce new kinds of unique crafted items in the future.
They also changed the use of the TS buffs to prevent people stacking them so much.
This has probably made it harder to craft but if it makes the Pristine versions of things harder to get then perhaps they will once again be worth more than they cost to make. You can't have it both ways. If it is easy to make pristine items then their value will hit the floor.
Wherever I go - there I am.
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ok heres my main beef. how am i suppose to GET Pristine armor if i can't get ANY Pristine Carb Bars to begin with? the people at Sony have neglected to factor in the ONE problem that has plagued all online games....GREED. The people who do make the stuff i need are not gonna make what i need cuz i gaunrentee they alreaady have an alt that they've greated to do exactly that. This morning i asked in the Freeport crafting Chan if any weoponsmiths were on, only one person answered, and he wouldn't do it cuz he was Lvl 34 and doing Carb bars was beneath him. How can i progress if no one else will make sub combines?!? Again i am seriously looking at WoW, going thru webpages now, hell EQ1 was better than this crap.
Dracosy Blackring
Dracosy Blackring
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[quote][/quote]That sounds like one of three things:
1) a bug introduced by the patch, but as I have heard nothing of this from anyone else I suspect not
2) You are using substandard ingredients as the primary ingredient.
3) I am misunderstanding what you are saying and am about to sound patronising :P
What quality primary ingredient are you using?
Cheers
Minky
Latest - after restarting the launcher post-patch, and trying again, lo and behold, pristine sepia dye and ink are now available again. No change in my inventory, no new recipes, exactly as before. I had been using pristine isonoid all the time, so I can only conclude that yesterday's patch affected it somehow. It also zapped my hotbutton bars ;-(
Ah well, at least it's working again.
Compwitch
1) a bug introduced by the patch, but as I have heard nothing of this from anyone else I suspect not
2) You are using substandard ingredients as the primary ingredient.
3) I am misunderstanding what you are saying and am about to sound patronising :P
What quality primary ingredient are you using?
Cheers
Minky
Latest - after restarting the launcher post-patch, and trying again, lo and behold, pristine sepia dye and ink are now available again. No change in my inventory, no new recipes, exactly as before. I had been using pristine isonoid all the time, so I can only conclude that yesterday's patch affected it somehow. It also zapped my hotbutton bars ;-(
Ah well, at least it's working again.
Compwitch
In response to dracosy, try an armorsmith we can make carbonite bars as well it is just harder because we have to use weaponsmith buffs, unless that has been fixed. Buffs take more power and they are linked that isn't a big slam it just makes it take longer to make nice stuff and you can't spam like a monkey, you have to think a little.
Although what am I saying, I make one part of the armor and I have to pay top dollar for the 4 other parts everyone else makes for me to sell armor that everyone at the level can get armorquest armor that's better and free. All the while using weaponsmith buffs for the one part I can actually make, this was fixed finally.
Its hard to get pristines when your busy grabbing your crotch and flipping off the screen because someone is selling carbonite studs for 40s and thats more than the whole damn piece of armor will sell for. Sigh. Oh well grumpy dwarf headed back to the forge.
Although what am I saying, I make one part of the armor and I have to pay top dollar for the 4 other parts everyone else makes for me to sell armor that everyone at the level can get armorquest armor that's better and free. All the while using weaponsmith buffs for the one part I can actually make, this was fixed finally.
Its hard to get pristines when your busy grabbing your crotch and flipping off the screen because someone is selling carbonite studs for 40s and thats more than the whole damn piece of armor will sell for. Sigh. Oh well grumpy dwarf headed back to the forge.
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i did Choose Armorer, as for ur Carb Stud i solved that prob by making an alt who's a carpenter, he's made my studs for me, and everything else is good to go, they don't have to be pristine if they are a secondary ingrediant, my ***** is before i could fight with the forge. last week i went from Forged to Pristine 7x on an item, trying to hit the right combo of buff spells before i finally succeeded. now i can't do that ,I just hit the the icon when it shows up and pray. the best example i can give is from the help file from sony in game. they said that they made tradeskills to be like a fight, and thats what i was getting. now i just sit there and occasionaly hit the spell icon. Yay me. hell if i wanted that kind of excitement i woulda stayed with EQ1.
Still pixxed off and looking at WoW,
Dracosy Blackring
Innothule server
Freeport
Still pixxed off and looking at WoW,
Dracosy Blackring
Innothule server
Freeport
Bought WOW last night and didn't get much time to play since Wife was in one of her cleaning modes.
Will have more time to play tonight and this weekend. Will keep you guys posted.
Haven't truned off my SOE accounts just yet but may do so depending on this weekends outcome.
Bub
Will have more time to play tonight and this weekend. Will keep you guys posted.
Haven't truned off my SOE accounts just yet but may do so depending on this weekends outcome.
Bub
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In my humble opinion, you guys are being a wee bit too sensitive to this matter. Yes, it sucks that it's harder to make pristine items, but this was intended. It's still possible, just not as common.
And that's enough to make you want to switch to WoW? Yikes.
And that's enough to make you want to switch to WoW? Yikes.
I agree with your above statement with the following exceptions:
1.) EQ2 crafting was fun and fairly fast paced. Kept my interest and I enjoyed it. Now its just plain dull. SOE increased the amount of time to make 1 item by a factor of 5!
2.) EQ2 Adventuring was not as exciting as EQ1 to begin with. Combine that with group debt and it just doesn't float my boat.
I have played both and have been very loyal to SOE over the years. I just think it's time to try something different and see what happens.
I don't mean to come across as negative. It's SOE's job to entertain me. That's what I pay them for. People are naturally resistant to change. I know that for a fact since I have been in sales since college. Shame on SOE for opening up the door to competition. No skin off my back.
Bub
1.) EQ2 crafting was fun and fairly fast paced. Kept my interest and I enjoyed it. Now its just plain dull. SOE increased the amount of time to make 1 item by a factor of 5!
2.) EQ2 Adventuring was not as exciting as EQ1 to begin with. Combine that with group debt and it just doesn't float my boat.
I have played both and have been very loyal to SOE over the years. I just think it's time to try something different and see what happens.
I don't mean to come across as negative. It's SOE's job to entertain me. That's what I pay them for. People are naturally resistant to change. I know that for a fact since I have been in sales since college. Shame on SOE for opening up the door to competition. No skin off my back.
Bub
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