Disclaimer: This post has no tips, no tricks, no advice just ranting. Don't read unless you want to hear me rant.
So, I'm a lvl 19 cleric. I made my first platinum piece about a week ago. Since then I've spent probably 5 gold on equipment and spells. Every gold piece I made I would replace that day through questing and selling. I want to keep the plat for the higher levels because I know anything I buy now will only be obsolete within the next 5 or so levels.
Now, in the buying and selling process there are a few complaints I have. First, in the buying, I live in freeport. Freeport is a barren wasteland. If I want to purchase anything worth buying I have to use the fence, since the patch came out I'm noticing a significantly lower number of items sold by the fence. This could just be because people are out questing or leveling so that's not a big deal.
On several occasions I have purchased something unwillingly, it's my own fault because I try to move quickly through the screens to find what I want before it sells. Today I spent 3 gold on something worth 20 silver because I right clicked and instead of examining it I went ahead and bought it. Like I said, it was my own fault, but it's way too easy to make this mistake.
My next problem is the whole having to stay in your room to sell. I can't get my gold back because I want to get some exp during the day, then at night the servers get reset so my store closes. Also during the day, nothing is for sale. I'm lucky if i can find 4 spells for sale that I can use. And if I do find something I can use, it's overpriced. If everyone was able to sell at all times, there would be a true economy with competition, instead of a monopoly involving people with two computers.
So, I think that's the end of my rant. I'm just frustrated. The game is amazing minus the economy. The graphics are great, the quests are fun, groups are great, the economy kills me. Sorry about the long drawn out post.
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My suggestion to you would be to Get friends in your guild or out of guild that you can trust and ask them to make/keep an eye out for the items your looking for.
It seems to me that the way the trade skills are set up you ether have to spend lots of money to buy the proper items to make what you want or have friends make the prep items for you (kinda IOU deal). Witch IMO works fine this encourages ppl to work together to make that nice armor or spell. Once ppl figure out how to ask others for services/help instead of trying to buy there way to the top I think the market will settle down.
But I do agree with you in that the market prices are crazy and the fact that you have to run to ppl's apartments to cut out the broker is annoying. Very annoying for me since it's like a sales tax when you buy from the broker and I live in Oregon with no sales tax so I'm not used to paying a lil extra then the price I see on the tag.
As to your Vendor shutting down that is pissing me off as well. The only thing I can think of doing here is having my roommate turn the vendors back on before he heads to work in the morning but that’s like 2-3 hours that I could have been selling still and I'm guessing that the time the servers are down then is really a must for fixes (but I could be wrong).
If I'm not mistaken I've been told that if you move in to the bigger rooms and you can buy from your room. can somebody please confirm this?
It seems to me that the way the trade skills are set up you ether have to spend lots of money to buy the proper items to make what you want or have friends make the prep items for you (kinda IOU deal). Witch IMO works fine this encourages ppl to work together to make that nice armor or spell. Once ppl figure out how to ask others for services/help instead of trying to buy there way to the top I think the market will settle down.
But I do agree with you in that the market prices are crazy and the fact that you have to run to ppl's apartments to cut out the broker is annoying. Very annoying for me since it's like a sales tax when you buy from the broker and I live in Oregon with no sales tax so I'm not used to paying a lil extra then the price I see on the tag.
As to your Vendor shutting down that is pissing me off as well. The only thing I can think of doing here is having my roommate turn the vendors back on before he heads to work in the morning but that’s like 2-3 hours that I could have been selling still and I'm guessing that the time the servers are down then is really a must for fixes (but I could be wrong).
If I'm not mistaken I've been told that if you move in to the bigger rooms and you can buy from your room. can somebody please confirm this?
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Thanks for the advice. I just joined my guild a few days ago so I'm not really comfortable enough yet to ask for help with that kind of thing. Hopefully I will be soon. Once I get used to the setup I'm sure I'll be able to work it out. It's just frustrating right now. I came from another game that I won't mention where the economy was wonderful for about a month and then it became the worst aspect of the game. I'm just hoping EQ2's economy will get better sooner than later.
heh, I have barely made .5 plat, but I only play a couple hours 2-3 nights a week, and maybe as many as 10...sometimes more on the weekends...unless I'm out and about. I agree with you for the most part, having to be online to sell sucks, it doesn't bother me too much because I go to bed around midnight EST. so I just leave the shop up while I sleep, when I remember to ask my room mate he'll set my shop back up after the reset which hits around 10am my time while I'm at work.
On the broker there should be a confirmation that asks you if you're sure you want purchase, as well as an option to buy in quantity if the seller has stacks of items.
I'd also like to see an "items wanted" board where players could post requests for items where trades could be arranged off the market
Edited, Fri Jan 7 16:03:50 2005 by Bawls
On the broker there should be a confirmation that asks you if you're sure you want purchase, as well as an option to buy in quantity if the seller has stacks of items.
I'd also like to see an "items wanted" board where players could post requests for items where trades could be arranged off the market
Edited, Fri Jan 7 16:03:50 2005 by Bawls
I agree, these are big problems with the game. I've seen people announce in here that they are quitting eq2 for precisely these reasons - and they have done so. I haven't heard from them in weeks. The people who've run eq, whether Veran or Sony, have had a history of perpetuating idiotic mistakes like this.
Old EQ, as much as I loved it, had horrible desing flaws - among a few were: you had to actually sit on and ride slow, moving boats to cross oceans (cool the first time, really, really old the 100th time) - and it took sometimes 45 minutes of RL time to cross a dumb ocean cuz u had to wait for the boat - and you had to sit there and watch it - cuz if u missed the roughly 3 minutes u had to get off on the other end cuz u were watchin TV or in the bathroom - aaaaagh - u had to ride the whole damn cycle! ----- okay, so finally, after years, they do Luclin, and a teleport system is invented to a "hub" zone - so cool! - except wait, you have to wait 15 minutes to TP up and as long as 15 minutes to TP back down. Oh and none of the TP sites are close to anywhere u wanna go (except erudin and felwith). GAH.
I believe it was anoher year and a half before they finally did PoK w/ insta-click TP to a real hub zone - and the clunky player bazaar system - which is cursing you atm.
In old EQ we didn't get PoK and - oh, w/ PoK the boats went away, replaced by little gnomes who TPed u where the boats used to go - until there was REGIME CHANGE. Yes. The stubborn old jerks who had arbitrarily decided that old EQ was just fine w/ all hte waiting and waiting were finally gotten rid of - and the new regime finally fixed the game. Old EQ is quite playable now. Finally. Five years later.
So, if anyone wonders why I NEVER cut Sony a break - why I ALWAYS ride their case and hammer at them and curse them - this is why. And it's bad news for anyone who wants change.
I'm deeply depressed because some of these changes are obviously needed - and if we could form a "player union" and effectively put pressure on Sony - we could influence the game. If a big chunk of us could threaten to quit en masse, they'd sit up and listen really fast. They'd actually work on stuff we want and legitimately need instead of their stupid, disconnected agenda. But that will never happen. Every time someone makes a reasonable complaint in here, other players chirp in by the dozens "hey, I'm willing to endure that", "it's no biggie to me" and etc. So we could never agree on a single damn thing... unless Sony shills come posting in here. Sometime I wonder ... what if a dozen or so people who work for SoE come post here pretending to be players... out of some misguided sense of loyalty - it's invasion of the opinion-snatchers! ARGH. I solemnly swear I don't work for SoE. Hmmm, how do we catch those that do???? Well, expect no meaningful changes any time soon. If they do happen, then this new team is actually paying attention and actually cares. The old team certainly didn't. GL all.
Old EQ, as much as I loved it, had horrible desing flaws - among a few were: you had to actually sit on and ride slow, moving boats to cross oceans (cool the first time, really, really old the 100th time) - and it took sometimes 45 minutes of RL time to cross a dumb ocean cuz u had to wait for the boat - and you had to sit there and watch it - cuz if u missed the roughly 3 minutes u had to get off on the other end cuz u were watchin TV or in the bathroom - aaaaagh - u had to ride the whole damn cycle! ----- okay, so finally, after years, they do Luclin, and a teleport system is invented to a "hub" zone - so cool! - except wait, you have to wait 15 minutes to TP up and as long as 15 minutes to TP back down. Oh and none of the TP sites are close to anywhere u wanna go (except erudin and felwith). GAH.
I believe it was anoher year and a half before they finally did PoK w/ insta-click TP to a real hub zone - and the clunky player bazaar system - which is cursing you atm.
In old EQ we didn't get PoK and - oh, w/ PoK the boats went away, replaced by little gnomes who TPed u where the boats used to go - until there was REGIME CHANGE. Yes. The stubborn old jerks who had arbitrarily decided that old EQ was just fine w/ all hte waiting and waiting were finally gotten rid of - and the new regime finally fixed the game. Old EQ is quite playable now. Finally. Five years later.
So, if anyone wonders why I NEVER cut Sony a break - why I ALWAYS ride their case and hammer at them and curse them - this is why. And it's bad news for anyone who wants change.
I'm deeply depressed because some of these changes are obviously needed - and if we could form a "player union" and effectively put pressure on Sony - we could influence the game. If a big chunk of us could threaten to quit en masse, they'd sit up and listen really fast. They'd actually work on stuff we want and legitimately need instead of their stupid, disconnected agenda. But that will never happen. Every time someone makes a reasonable complaint in here, other players chirp in by the dozens "hey, I'm willing to endure that", "it's no biggie to me" and etc. So we could never agree on a single damn thing... unless Sony shills come posting in here. Sometime I wonder ... what if a dozen or so people who work for SoE come post here pretending to be players... out of some misguided sense of loyalty - it's invasion of the opinion-snatchers! ARGH. I solemnly swear I don't work for SoE. Hmmm, how do we catch those that do???? Well, expect no meaningful changes any time soon. If they do happen, then this new team is actually paying attention and actually cares. The old team certainly didn't. GL all.
heh, We're just to polar opposites, you Really really care, and I'm just plain old apathetic, I get enough aggrovation at work, so when I'm doing something for fun I just like to go with the flow. I know it can be a detriment at times...especially when with friends who are the same way...imagine 5-10 people standing around "what do you want to do?" "I don't know, what do you want to do?" "dunno, what about you?" ...you get the idea.
Simple and plain....HAVE FUN!! That is how you can really vent!!!
I cannot believe that you bought a game to relax and have fun, and now you need to vent from that very same game!!!
IT IS A GAME!! make your way through it the best way you can!!
be poor!!and if you wanna be rich...well, that needs effort and dedication (as in real life), and if that implies from you being in your room camping for days to sell items....well, be there!!!that is the way to go.....dont you think???
Wanna quit? i really think you love the game but you want it real easy....
dont worry...they will fix it...u will see.
U should have played SWG at the begining...hahahah THAT was mess.
Pasho.
I cannot believe that you bought a game to relax and have fun, and now you need to vent from that very same game!!!
IT IS A GAME!! make your way through it the best way you can!!
be poor!!and if you wanna be rich...well, that needs effort and dedication (as in real life), and if that implies from you being in your room camping for days to sell items....well, be there!!!that is the way to go.....dont you think???
Wanna quit? i really think you love the game but you want it real easy....
dont worry...they will fix it...u will see.
U should have played SWG at the begining...hahahah THAT was mess.
Pasho.
Okay, let's get something straight. MMO's strangely and perversely are NOT games.
Yes. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
They are, I will repeat, NOT games.
Think I'm crazy? Well, there are games, and there are things that act like games but aren't. Poker is just a game, right? If you think that, I'd love to play against you - I'd LOVE to have you sitting across the table from me. I'll walk off with most of your money. And I'm pretty bad at poker and don't play it much - cuz there are people out there who REALLY don't see it as a game and can eat my lunch.
Now, let's take MMO's and why we play them. MMO's are our pathetic low-tech version of the matrix. We are basically cave men, genetically, who are forced to live in a sanitized, modern and civilized world for which the basic number-one requirement for membership is self-emasculation. Only a tiny handful of people in real life can get to the top, be rich, and have all the toys. The rest of us are the grunts of these people who work hard to support their lifestyles - and no, I'm not a Commie - I'm a border-line Libertarian - and I have open eyes - and that's pretty much how it works. Occasionally someone being rich actually is justified. So often, however, it honestly is not - more random luck than anything.
Back to MMO's, a lot of us, knowing it or not, play these so-called games to make up for the fact that we aren't 100% happy with our real life situations. They become vicarious replacements for the lives we dream about having. It used to be we could only get such experiences through books and then movies. But MMO's are pretty good - by and large - except for the stupid issues some developers insist on keeping - and bugs - and whatnot.
A problem arises, however, when you play MMO's for years. And being forced to live w/ the decisions of others - to which you not only do not agree - you hate ---- it gets taxing.
Yeah, some of you work hard all day and just wanna kick back and relax. You pop a cold one, light a bud or whatever and check out for a while. Fine. Some of us aren't wired that way. But yet - I don't see those who "care" and aren't apathetic in these boards telling you to shut up and stop voicing your opinions - it is typically your type who tells my type "dood, just quit then" or "quit crying" or whatever. We argue with your type, sure - but we don't start off by heckling you. Hmm - maybe I should tell you the same - but I won't. Instead I'll just ask you to broaden your horizons a little and get beyond the "I hear people ***** all day at work I don't want it in my games" and realize that those of us who care and who post in places like Alla and SoE boards are actually helping you ----> if no one complained, we'd still be playing PONG. But there is a trickle up of ideas and pressure-to-be-better - in part from fear of competiton (that's the big one) - but also from user feedback - and a big part of user feedback comes from these very boards.
Yes. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.
They are, I will repeat, NOT games.
Think I'm crazy? Well, there are games, and there are things that act like games but aren't. Poker is just a game, right? If you think that, I'd love to play against you - I'd LOVE to have you sitting across the table from me. I'll walk off with most of your money. And I'm pretty bad at poker and don't play it much - cuz there are people out there who REALLY don't see it as a game and can eat my lunch.
Now, let's take MMO's and why we play them. MMO's are our pathetic low-tech version of the matrix. We are basically cave men, genetically, who are forced to live in a sanitized, modern and civilized world for which the basic number-one requirement for membership is self-emasculation. Only a tiny handful of people in real life can get to the top, be rich, and have all the toys. The rest of us are the grunts of these people who work hard to support their lifestyles - and no, I'm not a Commie - I'm a border-line Libertarian - and I have open eyes - and that's pretty much how it works. Occasionally someone being rich actually is justified. So often, however, it honestly is not - more random luck than anything.
Back to MMO's, a lot of us, knowing it or not, play these so-called games to make up for the fact that we aren't 100% happy with our real life situations. They become vicarious replacements for the lives we dream about having. It used to be we could only get such experiences through books and then movies. But MMO's are pretty good - by and large - except for the stupid issues some developers insist on keeping - and bugs - and whatnot.
A problem arises, however, when you play MMO's for years. And being forced to live w/ the decisions of others - to which you not only do not agree - you hate ---- it gets taxing.
Yeah, some of you work hard all day and just wanna kick back and relax. You pop a cold one, light a bud or whatever and check out for a while. Fine. Some of us aren't wired that way. But yet - I don't see those who "care" and aren't apathetic in these boards telling you to shut up and stop voicing your opinions - it is typically your type who tells my type "dood, just quit then" or "quit crying" or whatever. We argue with your type, sure - but we don't start off by heckling you. Hmm - maybe I should tell you the same - but I won't. Instead I'll just ask you to broaden your horizons a little and get beyond the "I hear people ***** all day at work I don't want it in my games" and realize that those of us who care and who post in places like Alla and SoE boards are actually helping you ----> if no one complained, we'd still be playing PONG. But there is a trickle up of ideas and pressure-to-be-better - in part from fear of competiton (that's the big one) - but also from user feedback - and a big part of user feedback comes from these very boards.
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I agree, play a game for fun. Relax and enjoy it. That's all well and good. I also agree that a game should be challenging and require skill. But, being able to log in in the morning when the server resets, or being able to have a computer on all the time selling does not require skill. And my only real complaints have nothing to do with skill, I wish that I could buy the recipes/spells I need, but I don't have the time to wait for them to pop up at the broker. I also wish that I could sell all my stuff, but I'd also like to play the game (sitting in my house watching the sales log is not playing the game).
I like the game right now, it's a vast improvement over most other mmo's (imo). But there are some changes that should be made.
The part about the buying something too easily, just something I complained about because I just bought something worth 20 silver for 3 gold <--my own fault.
I like the game right now, it's a vast improvement over most other mmo's (imo). But there are some changes that should be made.
The part about the buying something too easily, just something I complained about because I just bought something worth 20 silver for 3 gold <--my own fault.
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