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GForce 6800GT vs Radeon X800Follow

#1 Dec 29 2004 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
Anyone tried both or have a suggestion? I am looking to upgrade. Both are same price, GForce has 50MHz more clock speed. Not sure which one is better, and for $400 bucks, I want to be sure.
#2 Dec 29 2004 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
EQ2 was made with GeForce in mind, hence all the Geforce advertisements on the EQ2 sites/loading screens and all the EQ2 advertisements on the Nvidia site. That kinda helps it out for which one runs EQ better.
#3 Dec 29 2004 at 5:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Apparently there's a large and very embarrassing problem with the Nvidia 6800 and EQ2, it just doesn't work.

I'd seriously suggest you do some research before investing in this card. Check out the Nvidia board and the official EQ2 boards.

I was going to get that one too but I cancelled my order for now.
#4 Dec 29 2004 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Asking folks which is better NVIDIA or G-FORCE is asking about religion or politics.

It divides people along lines you never knew exsisted. People will swear a thousand ways till sunday thier choice is the only logical answer.

My suggestion is to look up some review sites that will give you numbers and a un biased opinion.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041222/index.html spcifically.

or check out www.anandtech.com

Personally?? I prefer ATI. Why? Cause

Actually I didn't like the MX400 series fiasco where NVIDIA tried to pass off old technology as new but that is just me

Everything I see on video card comparisons is who ever is newest is best but 2 months from now who ever is 2nd best will have thier next card out and be 1st again... for about 2-3 months anyway.

Good luck on your choice.
#5 Dec 29 2004 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Just do a google search with EQ2 and Nvidia 6800, there really is a serious problem with this, it's caused a huge uproar.
#6 Dec 29 2004 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
I have heard bad things about GForce with EQ2, but my bro and all his friends swear by GForce. Thing I'm most confused about is Core Clock Speed vs. Video Memory Clock Speed. If it is core clock then Radeon blows away Gforce. If it is Video Memory Clock then GForce is a little better. Anyone know what I should be looking at?
#7 Dec 29 2004 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
By the way, I'm talking about the X800PRO. Both are the $400 models.
#8 Dec 29 2004 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Link to the thread off the EQ forums -

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=tech_support&message.id=10070
#9 Dec 29 2004 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
I use a Geforce 6800 with EQ and it works flawlessly. Great card.
#10 Dec 29 2004 at 8:24 PM Rating: Decent
Oh ya, read up on the 6800 problem. That was only one type of 6800, the GT. And even then, they found out what was causing it and how to easily fix it. Its just a click in your display settings.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=41689
#11 Dec 30 2004 at 5:29 AM Rating: Decent
Ok, this is what I have so far. The Radeon x800 Pro has a 475MHz Core Clock Speed and 450MHz clock/900MHz effective
video memory clock and most importantly it runs EQ2. Just to compare specs the GForce 6800GT (which is the only Nvidia that can compete with the x800 pro) has a 350MHz Core Clock Speed and a 500MHz Clock/1,000MHz Effective video memory clock. Am I missing something? I understand that people have their preferences, but LOOK AT THOSE SPECS! The core clock says it all. Its like asking would you rather have a Pentium with 3.4GHz or a 2.8. Am I wrong? I mean aside from the fact that the GT won't run EQ2, the specs just don't add up anyway. And don't get me started that Nvidia is charging the same for something that in my opinion can't compete with the Radeon. Even if I wasn't going to play EQ2, I let the specs do the talking. Thanks for the help everyone.


#12 Dec 30 2004 at 6:48 AM Rating: Decent
Buy 2 Geforce 6600GT and run them SLI.. Its cheaper and performs better then any single card at higher resulotions.
If your thinking of buying one 6800GT and mby upgrade to 2 6800GT later, think again. Its a new tech so according to some tests 6600 SLI works like a charm but 6800 SLI gets graphicsbugs. If it is heat problems or chipset problems noone knows at this poing.
You do ofcourse need a PCIe mb, not a AGP one. Why anyone would buy a new gfx card today and not buy PCIe is beyond me.

Also, it is not all about clockspeeds since both cards run in diffrent ways.
Some games are better with ATI and some with nvidia but in any new game nothing beats SLI with high rezz and much details.
Do a search on google.. There are millions tests out there comparing all kinds of cards with charts etc for diffrent games.

Edited, Thu Dec 30 06:52:22 2004 by BumbiRagnar
#13 Dec 30 2004 at 10:55 AM Rating: Decent
Anyone know a good site to find optimal running temps for Intel Processers. I'm at work so I can't look it up in my manual.
#14 Dec 30 2004 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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While one has higher clock speed the other has higher memory speed. It doesn't matter really, both get to the same performance point in different ways.

6 of one , half dozen of the other. I have read about a few problems with the 6800 GT but have not seen any issues personally. Usually it is a few clicks and the problem is fixed.

Likely people are thinking that they can crank everything way up and they just cannot do it. Today's cards can not handle all of it from EQ2. They have very specifically said this.

One thing that really helps most people is turning Anti-Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering to Program controlled or even off. These two setting can make a game unplayable..

Buying either will make you happy I'm sure. I highly doubt Nvidia and SOE are not working on the problem...
#15 Dec 30 2004 at 1:11 PM Rating: Good
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Much like Jute has said, you can't go by numbers alone. Look at AMD and Intel. The AMD Athlon 2500+ has a clock speed of around 1.7 GHz, but performes the same as a Pentium 4 with a clock speed of 2.5 GHz. Numbers mean little in the industry other than giving you a rough estimate of where it should be.

What matters is the architecture; basically how the card handles all the data that's thrown at it. It doesn't matter how fast or how much memory the card has if the architecture doesn't use it well.

That said, I have no idea which has the "better" architecture. I'd say much the same as the people above have said: check out the review sights and use google to find different stuff. Look at forums and benchmarks and make your decision from that.
#16 Dec 30 2004 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Likely people are thinking that they can crank everything way up and they just cannot do it. Today's cards can not handle all of it from EQ2. They have very specifically said this.


With the 6800 (and sufficient ram), you actually CAN turn up the game to extreme settings. Its amazing to see its so nice.
Thing is, that yes, it affects gameplay just a bit. Personally, I like a first person shooter smoothness when I turn around and stuff in the game (I test my smoothness by trying to spin circles in the game while jumping). I'm using a 6800 right now and I can turn the game to Extreme and actually move around effectively, but your comp will stutter a bit, exspecially with combat, as it also thourougly thrashes your hard drive at that detail level as well as RAM.


On the so called "problem" with 6800 that people where bashing earlier, all that was to it was a simple click of one water setting. "Problem" solved.

Edited, Thu Dec 30 13:54:32 2004 by BrookieDragon
#17 Jan 01 2005 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent
I have probably used more video cards than the lot of you together. I won't get into the details of how CompUSA's T.A.P. program works, just trust me like you'd trust the Lord Jesus and buy your next video card from them, and tell them you want the T.A.P. with it. (And don't worry later about thanking me, just spread the good word.)Anyway, being somewhat of a taste-tester if you will, I have had the oppertunity to see the view from both sides, up to and including the current lines. Here is what I have learned from all my travels.(cards I've had the pleasure and displeasure of using: Radeons 9800 128MB x2,9800Pro 256,and X800Pro; Geforces 4600 TI 256MBx2, and 6800 GT.)

ATI- ATI cards will provide better framerates while using enhancements such as AA and AF, to quite a staggering degree. The visual quality is also slightly better while using said enhancments, but trust me, it is all but unnoticable. Driver releases tend to not do much of anything.

Nvidia- Every Nvidia card I have used(one I returned to see if it was a defect), which has been in two completely different systems, has had an antistropic filtering "problem" in some games, namely Star Wars Galaxies,EQ2,and half life for instance, where it renders the AF in sort of an area in front of you, at higher levels, it is very noticable. One big bonus that is very underrated by benchmarks is Nvidia's Quincunx antialising, which mimics 4xAA at 2xAA speed. This is a very VERY important feature. When they say at 2xAA speed they are not yanking your balls around, and the difference between quincunx and 4xAA is a very slight blurring around very jagged edges, but trust me, it looks great. The other reason to buy Nvidia, and particularly the 6800 GT, is extreme overclocking with no mods. I have only used Coolbits registry edit to overclock, no hardware additons, and the 6800 GT I had was wonderful. It came stock with core/memory set to 350mhz/1.0ghz. With no anomalies in my test games (Doom3, NBALive 2005, NFSU2, EQ2,HL2) it could be set to 412mhz/1.12ghz. As a note, HL2 and Futuremark 2005 could both be run fully stable at 431mhz/1.17ghz!!!!

That being said, I will never by choice purchase an Nvidia card. For every comparable card I've owned, the ATI's have outperformed the Nvidia. Online benchmarks will support this. The one reason I'd go back to Nvidia, like I said is Quincunx AA. You won't find it on any benchmarks, but if you plan on running your games in 4xAA, compare the ATI's 4xAA to the comparable Nvidia's 2xAA, and it really does give the Nvidia card an advantage. Unless your playing some of the newer games that will not use AA unless it's enabled in the game, then your screwed(EQ2).

BTW, with the latest drivers, the 6800GT had no problems for me with stuttering.
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