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Nahhh I've seen your opinion about platt sellers on other threads and I know where you stand on that. I know you're just playing devils advocate and doing so with good facts and well thought out arguments. Oh and GRATZ.... you reeled in a big one here LOL

Every time I read this post it pisses me off more.. Especially the person who started the thread who seems to have no clue about what a bot.. a box or an ebayer really is.



Umm okay. A bot is an old MMO term and it refers to A toon that is ran totally without human interaction.. It will continue to do whatever macro it runs while you sleep or whatever.. Like some tradeskill task.. or foraging task.. or killing some mob. Bot scripts are normally dumb things.. they are very very easy to spot because the whole thing is just a loop.. It will do the same thing over and over without any deviation. If it is pulling mobs.. it will pull the same ones over and over.. run in the same path..

A box is an old MMO term refering to 1 person playing more than 1 account at the same time.. This is not illegal.. as a matter of fact sony supports your right to box and makes changes to the games to enhance your ability to box multi accounts.

An Ebayer is a relatively new MMO term.. and it refers to a person who purchased a high level character off of a player auction site or EBAY.. the reason they have a bad reputation as a whole is because in general these people do not know how to play thier class.. since they did not level the toon up themselves.. they often have no clue what spells they have.. or how to use them.. nor how to perform thier class function properly in a group or a raid. Ebayer does not and has never refered to the buying or selling of plat or items. I am not aware of a term that specifiacally refers to that.

A Farmer refers to some one (be it a box a bot or just a single player) who devotes thier time to making in game money by killing the same mobs over and over for the loot.


Just because you box.. does not make you a botter.. nor does it make your additional toons bots.. in order to be a bot you have to be runing 3rd party software of some type that macro's your actions without you being at the keyboard.

Just because you farm.. does not make you a boxer or a botter.. Or and ebayer.. I know tons and tons of people who spend all thier time farming.. why? because they enjoy it and thats what they want to do. Farmers are not bad.. there is no rule agianst farming. It is a valid part of the game. And if you Box and want to be a farmer.. there is still nothing wrong with this.. who are you to tell anyone how they can spend thier online time that they pay for? If I want to cut my xp off and kill 50,000 goblins for the loot and title.. its my bussiness and I should be able to do that. As long as I o it while I am at my keyboard.. and I control my toons not some macro.



in refernce to the qoute above.. 1 LIVE person playing 6 Toons is NOT by default a BOT. All you have to do is use a little common sense and watch how they xp to verify if its a bot.. For instance.. you say they die alot (the wizards).. does the cleric face the bodies to target? because if he does its not a bot. Does the cleric always move in the EXACT same pattern when pulling mobs? if he doesnt then its not a bot.. From everything I have read of people seeing these guys XP and describing thier habits.. I dont think any of them are bots.. Bots dont roam around and kill in different spots.. Bots dont revive and run to get thier spirit shards... bots dont move to a different area becuase you came and harrassed and trained them. If it was really a BOT it would have continued to try to farm the exact same spot regaurdless of what you did. (WHY?? because a bot has no clue that you are doing this you MOMO.. its a damn bot, there is no one at the keyboard to see)


As far as people making a living off a game you pay monthly for /gasp.. wtf do you think Sony is doing?.. thousands of employee's that make a living off a game you pay monthly for.. what about the software outlets that sell the game???? hundreds of thousands making a living off a game you pay monthly for.. sticking to your theory of action you should go mow down some walmart cashiers who work in the electronics department with an Uzi because they sell eq software and make thier living that way. Or are you in some way entiteled to decide what people are allowed to do with the time THEY pay for?

So some people have enough brains to figure out a way to make a living or augment thier income by turning thier eq playtime into RL cash.. so what. they pay thier monthly fees just like you do and have every right to spend thier ingame time as they wish. As long as they arent breaking any rules it is thier right.

Botting is bad and harms the game I agree with that. But you assuming that every boxer wether its 2 or 4 or 5 or 6 is automatically a Botter and training these people or doing bad things to them harms the game just as much. I sincerly hope sony does something about this.. I hope they BAN YOU for breaking the EULA and Harrassing these people and ruining thier game time.


And you wonder why SOE doesnt respond.. and locked the other thread.. Because half of what is in this thread is garbage.. typed by people who think they know what the EULA prohibits but really have no clue. I had a problem with one of my CD keys recently.. I had to spend several hours working through it with SOE customer service.. They went through my accounts.. Of which I have 6 eq1's and 4 eq2's.. They were VERY helpful.. at no time did they say OMFG you box I need to BAN YOU. As a matter of fact they went out of thier way to help me and make sure all my accounts were setup and working. I have had my eq accounts for 5years +.. have had tons of interaction with ingame gm'S over the years.. with my entire 6 box sitting right there. Why was I not banned? because I DO not macro.. I do not BOT. If I leave the key boards my toons will do nothing.. they will sit there until I come back and make them do something by clicking my mouses and keyboards etc.. just like you.

SOE posted we are checking into this.. guess what.. they will moniter these people for a few days.. if it turns out they are BOXES and not BOTS.. they wont do anything to them. I have had GM's pop to me in instanced zone and watch me plenty of times.. I am sure they were there before watching where I couldnt see them.. Normally they come chat after they verify I dont macro.. I have been told I was reported for macroing and they were checking it out haha. Tough crap. I dont break rules and its my right to box... just deal with it and stop whining.

it was my impression that the sharing of an account was against the eula, which would mean the plat farmers that work in shifts 24/7 are in violation. cant find a copy of it online that our netn@zi doesnt block, though :x.

thanks cobra ^.^

I think the best and really only way to make big coin is to make things and sellem or harvest or loot etc etc. As long as your not making money come out of thin air.. gliches coin come from npc etc etc then it shouldnt inflate the economy because the coin is just going from the buyer to the seller on broker then to buyer from ebay or what ever so its just going in a circle not being formed out of nothing then going into the economy. So think of it as the us dollar if there are tons of counterfit notes going into the system then the value drops and it takes more dollars to buy things. Same with gold if someone found a real mountain of gold then the worth of gold would drop and it would take more gold to equal the worth of the same gold before the moutain was found.

eco 101 class dismissed :)

I hope you people dont go nuts over my post some of you take things way to seriously IMO :)

Irrelevant in EQ2, because all the exp zones are instances all you would have to do to get the item is go into another of the same zone and camp the mob in there.

Besides twinking was where all that money was used and you effectively cannot twink in EQ2 since the gear you get from quests is just about the best you can have at that level, anything that drops is generally red/orange to you so would be useless to twink a lower lvl player.

The only expencive comodity in EQ2 is rare harvested items and you cannot BoT or camp them since the spawns are randomly placed and the rare harvests are about 1 in 1000.

Arent these BOTS and Ebayers winning by causing you to devote so much attention to them? Your going to ruin your gaming experience by changing your play to interfere with them when they have more time to play more than likely because its a job to them. you will be seen a a nusance nothing more, and if they get the GM's involved you could end up the one in trouble. The only people who can do anything about it is Sony at thispoint. Sure report them but dont waste your time worrying about it, it will only frustrate you more.

My question to you cobra is how would SoE know that you are sharing accounts unless you plainly and unthoughtfully shout out in /ooc that you are sharing. How will they know...
Might wanna check your sig. before you say something like that...i mean ill agree yes it is against the EULA but unless SoE bugs your house they wont know that you are sharing accounts with your family. (thats the basis of my question not strangers but own families since it applies to them as well)

Edited, Wed Jan 5 13:17:33 2005 by Kupoback

If SOny hasn't already taken a position and made a response against this activity, I don't think anything will change.

I was responding to the poster who adamantly insisted that sharing accounts - ie getting your brother or a third party to level your character was not a breach of the EULA. Clearly it is.

I agree that they would have a very hard time proving it. As I understand it one of the main resons for the rule is to prevent people dodgin blame for actions by their character. This rule means you cannot tell the GM "My little brother did it - it wasn't me" without opening yourself to banning for sharing the account.

Another reason is to give them a rest from the "I lent my character to my friend and he stripped it" petitions. Again if you broke the EULA don't expect a sympathetic hearing

Also of course they would love a family of 4 who all play to have 4 accounts rather than a shared one.

I know people share accounts, I know people who have given their details to a friend so they can be flagged for something they would otherwise miss. SoE are not particularly concerned until they have to be.

Lastly what has my sig to do with it??

My mind is open, that is why i am capable of seeing why Plat sellers have never been prosecuted at the same time as being Anti plat sellers.

It's called looking beyond your own views and recognising the truth.

The truth is SoE have never and will never take IGE to court, because in a court of law, they do not have a leg to stand on and it would cost the milllions of real money to prove to the world that they have no case against plat sellers.

As much as i hate the above truth, my open mindedness still recognises it as such.

I hope that someday you too can admit that just because you feel something should be a particular way, it often is not that way at all.

There's nothing u can do...all mmorpg's are exploited this way and yeah it does ruin the economy. I've seen it ruin EQ2 and L2 but there's really nothing that can be done to stop it. Sony has done everything they can to prevent this by not having coin drops and making alot of the items no trade etc...but people will always find a way around it.